Glenn Greewald has a good article out today on Obama’s “bad negotiating”. Glenn get’s it right, mostly. Of course we all know his blind side, like many liberal purists, that the Clinton’s are even worse than most in the GOP. But we’ll let that slide. Mostly. Read the whole thing, but I’ll pull out a few gems. He starts with a summary of extending the Bush tax cuts, continuing and extending wars, etc., etc., and then the recent willingness to accept GOP legislation to put the hardship on the backs of the poor:
All of that has led to a spate of negotiation advice from the liberal punditocracy advising the President how he can better defend progressive policy aims — as though the Obama White House deeply wishes for different results but just can’t figure out how to achieve them. Jon Chait, Josh Marshall, and Matt Yglesias all insist that the President is “losing” on these battles because of bad negotiating strategy, and will continue to lose unless it improves. Ezra Klein says “it makes absolutely no sense” that Democrats didn’t just raise the debt ceiling in December, when they had the majority and could have done it with no budget cuts. Once it became clear that the White House was not following their recommended action of demanding a “clean” vote on raising the debt ceiling — thus ensuring there will be another, probably larger round of budget cuts — Yglesias lamented that the White House had “flunked bargaining 101.” Their assumption is that Obama loathes these outcomes but is the victim of his own weak negotiating strategy.
I don’t understand that assumption at all. Does anyone believe that Obama and his army of veteran Washington advisers are incapable of discovering these tactics on their own or devising better strategies for trying to avoid these outcomes if that’s what they really wanted to do? What evidence is there that Obama has some inner, intense desire for more progressive outcomes? These are the results they’re getting because these are the results they want — for reasons that make perfectly rational political sense.
Exactly. Obama is doing all of this on purpose. He and his WH are not bad negotiators. Why so many Obama supporters are disappointed and are still scratching their heads over his “ineffectiveness” is still wondrous to behold. And why:
Why would Democrats overwhelmingly support domestic budget cuts that burden the poor? Because, as Yglesias correctly observed, “just about anything Barack Obama does will be met with approval by most Democrats.” In other words, once Obama lends his support to a policy — no matter how much of a departure it is from ostensible Democratic beliefs — then most self-identified Democrats will support it because Obama supports it, because it then becomes the “Democratic policy,” by definition. Adopting “centrist” or even right-wing policies will always produce the same combination — approval of independents, dilution of GOP anger, media raves, and continued Democratic voter loyalty — that is ideal for the President’s re-election prospects.
Exactly. Why would he do any different. It’s been the plan all along. He has make it clear to those of us that bothered to listen to him, that this is what he does. But then a bit later Glenn brings out the usual crutch for why 2008 didn’t matter:
Before Obama’s inauguration, I wrote that the most baffling thing to me about the enthusiasm of his hardest-core supporters was the belief that he was pioneering a “new form of politics” when, it seemed obvious, it was just a re-branded re-tread of Clintonian triangulation and the same “centrist”, scorn-the-base playbook Democratic politicians had used for decades.
Right Glenn, because the 90′s where so horrible under the Clinton’s when the gap between the rich and poor continued to widen just like under Reagan/Bush… oh wait, no it didn’t, it actually reversed. And there was a surplus. And more jobs. Yea, that was really horrible for the working class. We wouldn’t want any more of that. See, this is where even Glenn continues to fall short. He can’t come to grips with the fact that something really horrible happened in 2008, and that horrible thing was fully funded and backed by the sample people that brought us Reagan/Bush I/ Bush II, and the wars and many other things. If you can’t see a better, viable alternative right in front of your face, you will never get there. It’s the usual liberal purist thinking I guess. Glenn continues:
What amazes me most is the brazen claims of presidential impotence necessary to excuse all of this. Atrios has written for weeks about the “can’t do” spirit that has overtaken the country generally, but that mindset pervades how the President’s supporters depict both him and the powers of his office: no bad outcomes are ever his fault because he’s just powerless in the face of circumstance. That claim is being made now by pointing to a GOP Congress, but the same claim was made when there was a Democratic Congress as well: recall the disagreements I had with his most loyal supporters in 2009 and 2010 over their claims that he was basically powerless even to influence his own party’s policy-making in Congress.
Nicely said. Glenn does a nice bit of shredding of some of our least favorite bloggers and their silliness. He seems to think Digby is in the right side though. Another blindside for him I think. All in all a good read.
So there you have it. Glenn mostly gets it. And in fairness mostly has along the way. But how does that help? I know we’ve all been down in the dumps because it seems pretty hopeless out there with a Reagan/Bush president destroying what little is left of the Dem brand, and mindless creative class types cheering all the way. Maybe someone with some guts will challenge him in ’12. I’m not holding my breath though.
This is an open thread.
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The rumors of me being captured by Boris and Natasha were greatly exaggerated.
Congrats on the daring escape!!!! I heard you had to tunnel yourself out with a plastic spoon.
Great post!
sure glad to hear that.
Honk, honk!
All together now to Glenn: “WE TOLD YOU SO!”
Here’s the transcript to Obama’s speech today:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/13/obama-deficit-speech-text_n_848735.html
I caught part of it and he was in campaign mode, looking all tough ‘n’ stuff. I’ve heard the speech before (?).
Great post, Bull J, Moose!!! Glad you escaped!
djmm
Great post.
I read the comments on the Ameriblog entry asking if voters were fired up about B0. They’re fired up, but not in a good way. They’re wondering who has what it takes to primary 0. But not one in the hundred I read even thought of Hillary. They may not be bots anymore, but they’re still sexist–no Hill, in fact, no women mentioned at all as possible contenders.
I would expect nothing less from the former Obots. At bottom, they’re still really scummy.
Still, if anyone primaries Obama, Hillary can be drafted to pick up the pieces. Like 1968, man.
Morning Jay
Heh.
Stringing those tidbits together would make quite a political ad, wouldn’t it. Or would that be a comedy skit?
The old SNL could have a lot of fun with them
I put up a laundry list of all the things Obots have had to justify over the last two years. Any additions?
http://daysofchange.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/day-890-happy-endings/
Nitpick:
7. So far, the unemployment rate has not been lower in two years than the highest point during the Bush Administration.
[[ Could be better phrased. "still as high as Bush's highest" (or higher!). ]]
I did fix that and added Obama’s spectacular anti-war record.
What about the FISA revision w/ retroactive immunity?
Obama said he would vote against it but then he voted for it. Hillary kept her word and voted no.
Obama started breaking campaign promises before he was even elected.
Obama also ran saying he never use “signing statements.”
Broke that one too, re funding czars.
Either he is too lazy to care now that he’s got the brass ring or he is a closet republican.
Doesn’t make any difference what the reason, the results are the same and anyone else would be a one term president.
There is only one reason to support Obama that I can think of, a future SCOTUS nominee who isn’t from the Dark Ages.
sotomeyer and kagan look like good tokens. But waht bets they are closet Republicans too?
I don’t understand “closet Republican”, if he were, why is there a Tea Party ?
There’s a tea party because Dick Army, the Koch brothers, Karl Rove and others have astroturfed and funded it. There’s also a tea party because there are always a certain number of conservatives and libertarians who can be duped into supporting the interests of the wealthy at the expense of their own.
Why is this so? Haven’t the foggiest, though it speaks to a lack of critical thinking skills.
Dick Armey, Koch Brothers, Rove? In my two years of being a whacky sour grapes get over it kinda gal, I like
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvuimX2bjI&fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0%5D
There is a Tea Party to give the illusion that Obama is a centrist.
There’s a Tea Party for the same reason the PUMA party quickly spread outside TC. Both are catchy terms that express what a whole lot of people were feeling.
Bingo.
The number of people who go to the tea parties or join groups like Tea Party Express are a small and politically motivated part of the population. There are millions of people, however, who agree with a lot of the sentiments of the Tea Party. Frankly, even if you think the government should have a role in helping people financially, they’ve done such a terrible job that cutting their funding doesn’t sound like a bad idea.
Yes, 1539. There are a lot of non-tea-partiers who lack “critical thinking skills.”
Whole lotta Mericans who don’t actually join the Tea Party, but think exactly like you do.
Violet nailed it:
That’s all anyone needs to know.
Those of us who supported Hillary have known that since 2007.
Mediaite slaps down MSNBC ? Cool
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc%e2%80%99s-cenk-uygur-opens-expose-on-michele-bachmann-by-attacking-her-looks/
ohyea, and that Cenk is just all that and a bag o’ chips himself..
cripes, the ugly asshat really ought to take a look in the mirror
There’s a resaon he was an internet celebrity before MSNBC found him.
OT – a Tweet seen elsewhere:
John Kyl is a decent human being. #NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement
The Donald does a shout out to us Hillary supporters:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/trump-says-he-has-good-relationship-with-the-blacks/
Stating the obvious but I’m glad he did it.
Wasn’t it the SC primary that the race card was first played on the Clintons?
Found it, here’s what happened before the SC primary, via Politico, Jan08:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7845.html
Looks like the obots twisted some comments to make the Clintons look like klan members
And it worked so well, we’re still being called racists.
It wasn’t just that. Obama did a really clever shout out to black women when he criticized the absence of black fathers in the debate that directly preceded SC. Black women, who were holding him up before that, suddenly swooned. “He gets me!”
LAT: Poor Obama
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/obama-campaign-fundraisers-chicago-money.html
I need a FREE OBAMA! bumper sticker….oh, the injustice of his imprisonment!!
HOnk!
And make Hillary serve time in his place!
THIS is why the Tea Party exists. Period.
All that other crap about getting tricked into “supporting rich people”—-how many of the 2008 banksters have gone to jail under the Obama Justice Department?
NONE.
Nuff said.
Mickey Kaus on Obama’s anti-Ryan speech, which certainly didn’t produce any budget plan at all.
with a lovely update…
Not to mention those “health care professionals” may be no such thing. Could be any fool appointed to the Independent Payment Advisory Board by the President.
What’s worse? Telling someone honestly, that they’ll be expected to pay the first $5000 or whatever of their health care costs, but beyond that, we’ll pick up every dime, or lying to someone, telling them Daddy Government Got De Healthcare squared away, paying for minor shit that people really could pay for themselves, but then, when they’re old and desperately sick, having death panelists step in and say “Too expensive; you’ve lived long enough. We’re pulling the plug. Here, here’s some advil and codeine. God Speed you on your way.”
That last part is a nasty surprise. But Obama prefers that scheme, because the people alive and voting are getting paid by the government and will vote for him, whereas the people death-paneled out of existence aren’t going to be voting.
Some of them will be voting Democrat, of course. But they’ll be the minority.
Telling someone honestly, that they’ll be expected to pay the first $5000 or whatever of their health care costs, but beyond that, we’ll pick up every dime
Who is saying this? Honestly?
Great post. Money quote: ” He can’t come to grips with the fact that something really horrible happened in 2008, and that horrible thing was fully funded and backed by the sample people that brought us Reagan/Bush I/ Bush II, and the wars and many other things.”
And the Obama administration. They were his biggest financial supporters.
seems Nancy is ticked at bo..wants to primary him:lol;
Hillary 2012
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-04-14/budget-showdown-democrats-disgust-with-obama/?om_rid=CYHTPO&om_mid=_BNqDzSB8aU6dCX#
Buyers remorse…
Sorry, got no sympathy for the Dems. They played a certain political game and they must deal with the consequences. I highly doubt there are any Dem leaders who are willing to go against their establishment party leader… actualy I think the phrase Democratic leader has become an oxymoron.
I really appreciated the Greenwald article too, though I also have misgivings about his politics in general. On this one, he’s right. The sooner we quit pretending a class war is not in progress and start defending against forced material insecurity, the better off we’ll be.
Oh, those pesky open mikes…..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/obama-open-mic-slip-audio_n_849682.html?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C209955
PPP – Trump running away with the GOP Polls ?
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/15/ppp-poll-trump-totally-running-away-with-this-gop-race-now/
Be suspicious of PPP. They’re the pollsters KOS chose to use.
You mean the ones they chose after the ones they ones they found out just made up data?
Yea, them. LOL
“Right Glenn, because the 90′s where so horrible under the Clinton’s…..”
I know! The peace and prosperity really sucked. I also hated the low crime rates, the increased home ownership, and the earned income credit expansion. The deduction for small business home offices, child support enforcement, and daycare grants, sucked too, because more single moms were lifted out of poverty. Also in those dark times, the funding available for Headstart, preschools, and daycare, was downright fascist. The worst part was the way he managed to create jobs, increase government revenue and actually lower people’s taxes at the same time.
I blame his wife.
I can’t see Hillary putting bankers ahead of working people like Obama has. But Glenn only cares about what he cares about. Women and children are not his main concern.
Hillary actually had plans before the election to help people. Obama had squat. Go figure.
Obama had some really good ideas.
He stole them from Hillary.
zing!
He couldn’t steal her ability, or her will, to implement those ideas though.
Gallup tracking poll of registered voters has Obama at 41% now. Poll only likely voters and he’ll drop like a stone.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147140/Obama-Job-Approval-Tying-Low.aspx
Same poll shows him 35% approval with Independents.
Ruh roh.
He’ll still be reelected. Here’s Bush’s numbers in early 2004: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/17/opinion/polls/main593849.shtml
Remember when we were all snickering about these numbers and banking on Bush being defeated? All the way up the election is what I remember. I won’t make that mistake again. Polls are just another way for the powerful to maintain power, and they’re about as honest as the millionaires elected to Congress.