The guy doing the talking sounds suspiciously a lot like Shelby Fluffy.
This is an open thread.
If you don’t want to listen to it here is a transcript:
A few answers, but questions still remain.
U.S. immigration officials said they’re investigating the circumstances of the case involving Jakadrien Lorece Turner. But they insist they followed procedure and found nothing to indicate that the girl wasn’t — as she claimed — a woman from Colombia illegally living in the U.S.
The girl, who ran away from home more than a year ago, was recently found in Bogota, Colombia, by the Dallas Police Department with help from Colombian and U.S. officials.
The Colombian government said late Thursday that the U.S. Embassy had submitted the necessary documents for Jakadrien to return to the U.S, though it was unclear when she might be back.
According to the Colombian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the girl was enrolled in the country’s “Welcome Home” program after she arrived. She was given shelter, psychological assistance and a job at a call center, a statement from the agency said. When the Colombian government discovered she was a U.S. citizen, it put her under the care of a welfare program, the statement said.
Her grandmother called the deportation a “big mistake somebody made” and said U.S. officials need to do better.
“She looks like a kid, she acts like a kid. How could they think she wasn’t a kid?” Lorene Turner asked Thursday.
Jakadrien’s family said she left home in November 2010. Houston police said the girl was arrested on April 2, 2011, for misdemeanor theft in that city and claimed to be Tika Lanay Cortez, a Colombian woman born in 1990.
An Immigration and Customs Enforcement official told The Associated Press on Thursday that the teen claimed to be Cortez throughout the criminal proceedings and the ensuing deportation process, in which an immigration judge ultimately ordered her back to Colombia.
The ICE official, speaking on condition of anonymity due to not being authorized to discuss additional details of the case, said the teenager was interviewed by a representative from the Colombian consulate and that country’s government issued her a travel document to enter Colombia. The ICE official said standard procedure before any deportation is to coordinate with the other country in order to establish that person is from there.
The girl was given Colombian citizenship upon arriving there, the ICE official said.
The Colombian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Jakadrien was issued travel documents at the request of the U.S. National Security Agency and with information submitted by U.S. officials. Colombian officials are investigating what kind of verification was conducted by its Houston consulate to issue the temporary passport.
It was not clear if the teen might be charged upon her return for falsifying her identity in a criminal process.
Dallas Police detective C’mon Wingo, the detective in charge of the case, explained that in August she was contacted by the girl’s grandmother, who said Jakadrien had posted “kind of disturbing” messages on a Facebook account where she goes by yet another name.
Wingo said the girl was located in early November through her use of a computer to log into Facebook. Relatives were put into contact with the U.S. embassy in Bogota to provide pictures and documents to prove Jakadrien’s identity.
We have different identification systems in this country. Some, like Social Security and school records aren’t much use in tracking down people who don’t want to be found. Most people don’t enter the criminal justice identification system until they get arrested. Illegal aliens don’t typically have any identification from the United States.
So if Jakadrien Turner claimed to be a illegal immigrant from Columbia, how would you prove otherwise? I fingerprint check would come back negative. They didn’t know her real name and there was no reason to connect her to a runaway report in another city.
I don’t see how ICE can be blamed for this.
First it was Alan Colmes; now it is Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, who went on MSNBC to mock Rick Santorum for how he and his wife Karen dealt with the death of their son Gabriel. (A severe prenatal development led to his very early delivery, and Gabriel died two hours after his birth.)
“He’s not a little weird, it’s that he’s really weird,” Robinson said of Santorum. “And some of his positions he’s taken are just so weird, um, that I think that some Republicans are gonna be off-put. Um, not everybody is going to, going to be down, for example, with the story of how he and his wife handled the, the, the stillborn ah, ah, child, ah, um, whose body they took home to, to kind of sleep with it, introduce to the rest of the family. It’s a very weird story.”
On these comments I have three observations to make, the first of which is that spending time with a stillborn child (or one who died shortly after birth, as in the Santorum case) is commonly recommended. The matter of taking the child home for a few hours is less common, but they did it so that their other children could also spend a little time with the deceased child, and that is definitely recommended. For example, here’s the official page of the American Pregnancy Association (an association of health-care providers that treat pregnant women) about stillbirth. It recommends that parents spend time with the child, as the Santorums did, and the APA writes:
With the loss of your baby, your family members will also grieve. Your baby is someone’s granddaughter, brother, cousin, nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to spend time with the baby. This will help them come to terms with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the hospital; these are trained professionals who can help you prepare your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.
This is basically what the Santorum family did. They also had a funeral, which is often done in these kinds of situations. It seems to be enormously helpful to people in a moment of terrible pain. So Robinson, like Colmes, was speaking out of a seemingly bottomless well of ignorance.
As we go through life we encounter death. We come to terms with it. When my dad died it wasn’t unexpected – he was in his seventies and had been having health problems for several years. We knew it was coming, we just didn’t know when.
But no parent expects to bury their child. They are supposed to outlive us.
Twenty-two years ago my second wife gave birth to our daughter Caitlin. She was premature and only lived for four days.
There is no way to describe the emotional devastation caused by the death of a baby. We went from looking forward to a new child to the joy of her birth to the shock of her death. It was too much to deal with and too much to ignore.
I sat in the hospital and held my baby girl in my arms as she died. Then my wife held her for a while. Then I held her for a while longer. My three kids and my stepson where there with us too. Finally we were ready to let her go.
We had a funeral for Caitlin. She was so small she was dressed in doll clothes. I still have pictures. I have a whole box of stuff, but even though I never open it I don’t throw it away. That’s all I have left of her.
Caitlin’s death was the icing on the cake of a bad marriage. Her mother and I separated a month after she died. I haven’t seen my ex-wife in years. But sometimes I go by the cemetery and I see fresh flowers on Caitlin’s grave, so I know she hasn’t forgotten either.
It’s been long time and it’s not something I usually talk about. What’s the point? When someone asks “How many kids do you have?” I think “four” but my mouth says “three.” It’s easier than explaining.
It wasn’t that long ago that people died at home all the time. Sometimes they died elsewhere and were brought home. The family would clean and dress the body for burial, then they would sit there with it until it was time for the funeral. In many places they still do it that way.
But even here in this country it is not uncommon for people keep the ashes of their loved ones on display. We all grieve in different ways and at different speeds. Some of us do it privately and some do it publicly.
I don’t care for Rick Santorum and I won’t vote for him. But if what he and his wife did helped their family get through the grieving process then it ain’t nobody else’s business.
What I find sick and offensive are the mocking words of Alan Colmes and Eugene Robinson and their ilk. Have they no decency? The Santorums are two human beings who lost their baby. Have some respect.