House to vote on Trayvon amendment
House Democrats said Tuesday they will offer an amendment to push to overturn stand-your-ground self-defense laws in states like Florida.
The amendment, which would withhold some grants from states that have such laws, will come as part of the House’s debate on the Commerce Department spending bill.
“‘Shoot-first’ laws have already cost too many lives. In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn’t be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people,” said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation. “This is no different than withholding transportation funds from states that don’t enforce seat-belt laws.”
Florida’s law, which allows residents to use force in response to an attack without first having to retreat, has come under scrutiny after the nationally-polarizing death of teenager Trayvon Martin. George Zimmermann, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has been charged with murder in the case.
Three times as many people successfully defended themselves since the law was passed? Three times as many bad guys were bagged and tagged?
So what’s the problem?
Seriously though, don’t these guys care about the 10th Amendment? This is more nanny-statism gone wild. Don’t they realize those laws are popular? (No worries, it has no chance of passing the GOP-controlled Senate.)
Stand your ground laws do not change the basic standard for using deadly force in self defense – you must be in reasonable fear for your life or in fear of great bodily harm. SYG does not allow you to shoot anyone you want. It doesn’t affect your ability to carry a weapon or allow you to brandish one in public. It simply affirms the American rule that there is no duty to retreat before using self defense.
Caveat robber.
My thoughts exactly, if numbers of self-defense has gone up, has the homicide rate gone down?
I love free-range statistics.
Three times what?
I think I’m going to get this sign for our home:
http://www.ajmugs.com/productImages/USMC-4.jpg
lesson #1 do not try to rob the home of marines
http://www2.wnct.com/news/2012/apr/15/51/police-two-intruders-shot-and-killed-burglary-atte-ar-2165808/
and this for your car:
http://www.cafepress.com/+gun_coexist_sticker_bumper,476333899
Sarah bags another scalp:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/08/open-thread-lugargeddon/
I do think Sarah will make a big impact on the elections for congress this year. She has the trust of many people.
She’s doing more for the GOP than Mitt Romney this year.
YOU BETCHA!!!!!
David Burge @iowahawkblog
Indiana hocks a Looger #ptuiee
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To the best of my understanding the Florida SYG law differs because if that standard is found the person found to have good cause for self defense is immune from lawsuits. Also retreat is not an absolute requirement in any self defense. Why so many keep harping on the retreat requirement of this case is strange if Zimmerman was indeed on his back when he fired the shot. I think it is about civil liability only they do not want to say it.
At least he didn’t eat it.
ROTFLMAO!!! A federal inmate on death row is almost even with Obama in the West Virginia Democratic primary.
hehe
And in NC, where they have an “other” option on the ballot, 20% of Democrats are voting “other” rather than Teh Won.
Hillary got 71% of the votes in WV in 2008.
The day after the primary both senators (Byrd and Rockefeller) endorsed Obama.
Oh, I remember. I will never forget.
The government has no figured out that extorting the states is a way to get around the pesky 10th Amendment. You’re not making them so anything, but you’re taking away billions of their taxpayers’ money if the state doesn’t comply. I’d love to see a state just say to hell with the feds and go against it.
This is just sad. Obama now auctioning off a chance to win a “personal shout out” by him on Twitter for $5.
Good Lord, is there no dignity at all left in the office of POTUS?
How much for a holla?
I figure he won’t get rolling on the whole “fake black cadence” thing for another month or so.
I can tweet “fuck off” to him for free.
lol
I am having great fun on Twitter pointing out to apoplectic progs that NC just confirmed their president’s opinion on gay marriage.
Reports are coming in that the 60-40 vote on the NC gay marriage amendment passed in large part due to record black turnout.
Not sure how Obama and the Dems are going to address that awkward truth.
They will probably just lie, and blame it ALL on those white hillbillies.
Of course they will — just like they ignored what happened with Prop 8 in CA & blamed it all on the Mormons. And that was *with* Obama’s voice being used in robo-calls against Prop 8. If they can ignore the AA turnout in CA, they sure as heck can ignore it in NC.
Looking really good for Walker in WI. http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Governor/2012/Primary/WI
When I checked a few minutes ago, 87% of precincts had reported. Walker had 97% of his voters against a Republican challenger. The Dems had 57% for Barret and his closest challenger was Falk, with 35%. About 13,000 more Walker voters showed up compared to Dem voters. Curious to see what voter turnout was….
Massive GOP turn-out for Walker — 626,538 votes
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/150760775.html#!page=12&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst
Meanwhile, over in West Virginia…… heh, heh…..
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-loses-west-virginia-delegates-to-prison-inma#HTWF2
Yup. Six WV counties so far have voted for the inmate over Obama. He actually WON 6 counties so far! This dude may get a delegate out of this.,
Annnd the mockery on Twitter goes Elvis:
WV is pretty smart. We could save a lot of money if we just elect somebody who is already incarcerated.
Yo, Clown Boy, that should be “Caveat latro”, Din’t they larn you no Latin in lawyer school?
They only teach enough to throw some random words/phrases out there to confuse the non-attorneys & justify the big fees.
OT — remember Obama’s “letter” to his girlfriend on TS Eliot and BooMan praising it because it was just an example of what he himself grew up with, the “smartest of the smart discussing shit” (or some such nonsense)? Yeah, well, here is what a Professor of English at Columbia had to say about it:
So I called it: pretentious asshole.
Read the article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/opinion/young-obama-an-eliot-conservative.html?_r=1
That’s what happens when you steal other people’s words.
David Burge @iowahawkblog
“Inmate 11593-051″ would be a good Johnny Cash song.
David Burge @iowahawkblog
AP – in tight WV primary race between President Obama and prison inmate, Senator Mancin (D-WV) won’t say who he voted for.
That there is funny, I don’t care who you are.
Update: Prison inmate Judd takes another point from Obama, now Judd 41%, Obama 59% with 94% of the state reporting -
In N.C. Democratic primary, about 1 in 5 voters choosing “No Preference” over #Obama. Nearly 1 million votes cast.
I think WV and NC votes are a not so subtle message from Dems in those states to Obama. He an’t getting NC in case there was any doubt. And obviously not WV. Something tells me the Obama camp is feeling the panic about now.
Predictably, the only message they seem to be receiving is “White people are racist!”
And predictably, the reality doesn’t match the fantasy. The predominately AA counties voted overwhelmingly to ban same-sex marriage.
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2012/05/north-carolina-2.php
And stupidly enough, marriage was already defined by statute as “between a man and a woman” so I don’t even know why the state felt the need to put a ban in the state constitution.
I’m staying off of FB, my Obot friends are already making “you can marry your cousin in NC” redneck comments (true except in the case of double first cousins btw, but you can also marry your first cousin without restriction in Alaska, Alabama, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Washington D.C.). The only states that ban marriage between first cousins & first cousins once removed are Indiana, Kentucky, Nevada, Ohio, Washington and Wisconsin. All others not listed allow marriage either between first cousins once removed or first cousins that meet age & fertility restrictions.
Thank you for the link – it’s going in the morning post.
De nada.
That’s a bit embarrassing. Suddenly I’m feeling like I have far too many teeth in my mouth to be in my state of VA.
Angie, or you could comment at some of these groups on Facebook, with like-minded folk who support Hillary. Some groups closed by invite-only …
http://www.facebook.com/groups/PetitionToDraftHillaryClinton2012/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/17124346730/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/376994682323049/
Sorry, seems Spammie is checking me out. >:X :-X :X :-# :# :$