Could this tip Pennsylvania red?


Pennsylvania Voter ID Decision: Judge Refuses To Grant Injunction To Halt Law

A tough new voter identification law championed by Republicans can take effect in Pennsylvania for November’s presidential election, a judge ruled Wednesday, despite a torrent of criticism that it will suppress votes among President Barack Obama’s supporters and make it harder for the elderly, disabled, poor and young adults to vote.

Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson said he would not grant an injunction that would have halted the law, which requires each voter to show a valid photo ID. Opponents are expected to file an appeal within a day or two to the state Supreme Court as the Nov. 6 election looms.

“We’re not done, it’s not over,” said Witold J. Walczak, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer who helped argue the case for the plaintiffs. “It’s why they make appeals courts.”

The Republican-penned law – which passed over the objections of Democrats – has ignited a furious debate over voting rights as Pennsylvania is poised to play a key role in deciding the presidential contest. Plaintiffs, including a 93-year-old woman who recalled marching with Martin Luther King Jr. in 1960, had asked Simpson to block the law from taking effect in this year’s election as part of a wider challenge to its constitutionality.

Republicans defend the law as necessary to protect the integrity of the election. But Democrats say the law will make it harder for people who lack ID for valid reasons to vote.

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At the state Supreme Court, votes by four justices would be needed to overturn Simpson’s ruling. The high court is currently split between three Republicans and three Democrats following the recent suspension of Justice Joan Orie Melvin, a Republican who is fighting criminal corruption charges.


Sorry, but I ain’t buying the racism argument. I just don’t believe there are that many eligible voters out there that can’t reasonably get an identification card. If there is no voter fraud going on then the actual effect of this new law should be negligible.

We’ll see in November.


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63 Responses to Could this tip Pennsylvania red?

  1. myiq2xu says:

    If it’s mostly old people who don’t have ID and old people tend to vote GOP, wouldn’t this law hurt Republicans?

    • You can’t file for SS without an ID, so there goes that argument. You can’t file for welfare without one either, or register for college, or even rent somewhere to live, so there goes the other two.

      Here’s what gets me. You have to have a valid photo ID to get into any state or federal building anymore. That’s standard after OK bombing. Now these folks would have us believe it’s NOT okay to require an ID to vote, but it IS okay to require an ID to petition the very government you elected. There’s a disconnect here.

    • angienc says:

      Don’t try to use facts or logic, myiq.
      Having always lived in red states (well, now, I’m in an alleged swing state), I’ve always had to show a picture ID to vote — I honestly do not understand the argument — the cost for a state ID (not driver’s license but state issued picture ID) in PA is $12 — which is in line with what most states, although many states give the ID to seniors and/or disabled people at a discount or for no charge. Nonetheless, $12 isn’t too much to pay for a photo ID — I have no sympathy for *anyone* who claims that getting one is some kind of burden. It’s an inconvenient pain in the ass to have to take off time from work & go to the DMV, but not a “burden.”

      http://dmvanswers.com/questions/419/How-much-do-state-ID-cards-cost

      • DeniseVB says:

        We had to get my son a $14 state i.d. card to board a cruise ship, because I was too lazy and cheap ($90) to go through the passport application process.

        If you look like you could be under 18, you need a photo i.d. to get into the Jimmy Fallon audience or buy cigarettes.

        If you look under 30, you may need a photo i.d. to buy booze.

        For extra security, I write “ask for photo i.d.” on the back of my credit and debit cards.

        I’d happily donate to fund that provides photo i.d.’s to poor people. Better yet, have candidates fundraise for that purpose.

        I don’t get my old Democrat friends’ panties being in a twist over this?

      • LOL- just occurred to me- they don’t need to take time off from work to get an ID. Unless they lost the one(s) they used to fill out the I-9 when they got the job.
        One from column A or One from Column B and one from Column C.
        Been so long since I did an employee orientation I forgot about that- need ID to work. I-9 requires ID to prove you are who you say you are AND that you have the legal right to work in the U.S.

  2. myiq2xu says:

    Scientific proof that guys will f**k anything:

    DNA Evidence Confirms Humans and Neanderthals Mated

    (and this was even before beer was invented)

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  4. myiq2xu says:

  5. The state of PA wrote into the law that ID is free to any who “can’t afford” one. The top story on the local news this morning out of Erie is that the local D and R parties are offering whatever assistance is needed to ANY voter who needs ID. Including transportation to the appropriate office to get the thing. They repeated that story three times in a hour. With blurbs from the local party people- all very civil.
    One of the arguments against was that it is “too hard” for poor people to get to the Licensing Centers which admittedly have odd hours and days.
    Good on the local party people for DOING something to get this fixed so everyone who is legally entitled to vote gets their ID. (I had been suggesting that the parties send less damn money to the national and state organizations and do exactly this- take care of the citizens in your district.) Local politics works best sometimes.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I still don’t see why it’s the Dems fussing. Everyone who receives gov’t assistance (our poorest population and disabled) already have i.d.’s.

      • LOL yes you do see you snarky woman you!
        FWIW- here in PA we have ALWAYS had voter id laws. Seriously- we moved here the end of 97. We had to both show id the first time we voted, then it was random. Some elections one of us would be asked, sometimes neither, sometimes both. The computer generated signing sheets have it right on them- randomly generated as far as I know- it shades the voter name with “ID”
        It has ALWAYS been that way- at least here in bitter clinger town where we live. So I am not sure why they passed this “new” law?

  6. HELENK says:

    Florida Republican Congressman Cliff Stearns concedes primary to tea party challenger, Ted Yoho – @AP

  7. Folks, my mind ponders the necessity for voter ID. Firstly, as a poll volunteer I saw too many people try to register to vote without valid ID. Secondly, and this is an issue I ponder… why is it that to be eligible to vote you must be an American citizen; to become an American citizen you must take the citizenship test in English (at least that is my understanding from relatives), but in my state of WI there are Spanish translators at polling stations? Poll workers are supposed to help one understand the ballot if one has questions no matter their ethnicity. And why just have Spanish translators and not other languages? Is anybody else coming across this when they are voting?

    • Fembots- I was a poll volunteer in 08- and there were illiterate people coming in with plain white envelopes with “OBAMA” written on them. And I mean that- could not read AT ALL. I had never seen so many people coming through requiring the election judge to assist them.
      And no. The watchers never challenged a single one.
      Never did find out what was in those envelopes. But I do know that ACORN/OFA sent a burly AA man here to take over the local office – which pissed off the little old folks that run the office year in and year out. Not that he was AA- that he was an outsider telling them how to do a job they had been doing since before he was born.

      • Mary says:

        My sister said the same thing (poll worker in N Carolina). She said they came in busloads, cheering “Obama” as they got off the bus….most couldn’t read, carried envelopes, etc with Obama written on it, didn’t know how to work voting machines, didn’t vote for anyone downticket—only the one big vote for the name on the envelope. She wasn’t sure if it was a union bus or an Acorn bus….but all the rest was the same.

  8. tommy says:

    Wait a minute. I thought that the democrats were traditionally FOR regulations that prevent fraud. Its just a damn photo id. Reminds me of the crying and moaning bout the Bush waterboarding torture crap. As soon as O was in power, not a peep bout the indiscriminate drone attacks that have killed women and children, and still continue to do so. Its disgusting. Its like trying to out-nazi the repubs. Sometimes I feel that both the political structures are playing us unwashed masses for rubes. And they interchange stripes and policies whenever the need suits them.

  9. tommy says:

    Test. Either my previous comment got eaten by spammy or I’ve gone invisible. 41 and invisible ain’t a good combination. Lol

  10. ecoast says:

    OT, Biden’s gaffe of the day

    ‘Folks, where’s it written we cannot lead the world in the 20th century in making automobiles?,” said Biden.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/

    • DM says:

      I think the U.S. is #1 in the 20th century, not just cars, everything.

    • DM says:

      In the 2008 elections, Hillary worked so hard to elect Obama, even when The One took a HI vacation. Now Obama depends on Biden. We’ll see the results soon enough.

    • DeniseVB says:

      LOL, I got him beat. Why is it if anyone says 10 years ago, I think of the 90’s ?

      • DM says:

        You went to sleep during the G.W.B. administration? zzzzzzzz

        • DeniseVB says:

          I wish. I was my most politically active activist during his term. 2 national peace marches and a Daily Kos convention. Please don’t make me talk about the Edwards years ;)

        • leslie says:

          Denise, you and I probably met at the marches. I still can’t print a boarding pass at home and have to present myself at the airport HOURS ahead of time to go through the discussion of who I am and where I’m going and why I ‘m going there. Yup – the Bush years…

  11. DM says:

    I’m totally for voter id, but I think we’re moving towards voting by mail, like WA, and maybe in the not so far future, we’ll be voting online. I guess we’ll be given a voter id (SS?). I would hate that. Too much centralized information. I would stop voting.

  12. DM says:

    Gallup Poll: R/R sees no immediate bounce

    Gallup Poll has the history of bounces after the VP is named. All campaigns have had bounces, Romney seems unchanged after he named Ryan as VP. The One, lost 2% after naming Biden. Stupid is as stupid does.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/156692/Romney-Sees-No-Immediate-Bounce-Ryan-Pick.aspx

  13. HELENK says:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-to-protect-ethanol-obama-seeks-to-inflate-meat-prices/article/2504906#.UCu5291lREP

    this might tip the election. the other day I saw a story about the government buying meat to help the farmer.
    Well guess what the point of that was to protect ethanol and inflate meat prices to the consumer

  14. HELENK says:

    http://hillbuzz.org/dishonorable-disclosures-must-see-40349

    The video put together by the ex seals and special forces

    MUST SEE

  15. Constance says:

    So you people still have polling places I guess? We in Washington state only have mail in elections. I guess you have to have an address to vote in WA or how do you get a ballot? Showing an ID at an actual polling place seems so backward of a problem to be worrying about.

    • I think mail in voting should be illegal in all states. What a nice convenient way to commit massive fraud. Just walk down the street behind the mail carrier and pick the ballot out of every third mail box. Fill in for the candidate of ACORN’s choice and mail it right back.
      Same with the early voting- vote in ten precincts today, ten tomorrow and by the end of the early voting period you could vote in every precinct in the state- maybe twice in some.

      • T says:

        Totally not true. You have to fill out an external envelope and sign it. Your information is verified against your voter registration before your vote is accepted. Once the vote is accepted, the external envelope is thrown away, and the vote is anonymous after that. It isn’t as simple as mailing in a ballot and having it counted without knowing anything about the voter….

      • DM says:

        Voting by mail has been around for a long time. Every election, anyone who could not vote at a polling station could ask for the ballot in advance to vote by mail. In CA that was changed and one can elect to vote by mail in all elections. There’s no need to ask for a ballot and provide a reason why one needs to vote by mail.

    • DeniseVB says:

      It’s probably safer to vote online, afterall people pay their bills, send money and buy stuff online! People who don’t have computers would be screwed though :( I feel another fauxrage coming on …. LOL.

  16. HELENK says:

    new ad on medicare

  17. DeniseVB says:

    Jimmy Fallon has a hashtag game:

    Jimmy Fallon
    Hashtag game! Tweet out something you’d promise to do if you were running for president & tag w/ #mycampaignpromise. Could be on our show!

    Represent TCH proudly, he really does read these things on his show!

  18. HELENK says:

    Iowa Hawk

    The media is beginning to look like a squadron of Kamikazes, excited to die for the divine emperor. #ToraToraTora #FlamingZeroes
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  19. HELENK says:

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/08/15/tax-funded-sterilizations-for-teenagers-no-parental-consent-required/?singlepage=true

    A little glitch in obamacare could let a 15 year old girl get sterilized without her parents consent

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