Even prostitutes can be raped

Dominique Strauss-Kahn


Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy

The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on the verge of collapse as investigators have uncovered major holes in the credibility of the housekeeper who charged that he attacked her in his Manhattan hotel suite in May, according to two well-placed law enforcement officials.

Although forensic tests found unambiguous evidence of a sexual encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn, a French politician, and the woman, prosecutors now do not believe much of what the accuser has told them about the circumstances or about herself.

Since her initial allegation on May 14, the accuser has repeatedly lied, one of the law enforcement officials said.

Senior prosecutors met with lawyers for Mr. Strauss-Kahn on Thursday and provided details about their findings, and the parties are discussing whether to dismiss the felony charges. Among the discoveries, one of the officials said, are issues involving the asylum application of the 32-year-old housekeeper, who is Guinean, and possible links to people involved in criminal activities, including drug dealing and money laundering.

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Prosecutors from the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., who initially were emphatic about the strength of the case and the account of the victim, plan to tell the judge on Friday that they “have problems with the case” based on what their investigators have discovered, and will disclose more of their findings to the defense. The woman still maintains that she was attacked, the officials said.

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According to the two officials, the woman had a phone conversation with an incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Mr. Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded.

That man, the investigators learned, had been arrested on charges of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana. He is among a number of individuals who made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years. The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania.

The investigators also learned that she was paying hundreds of dollars every month in phone charges to five companies. The woman had insisted she had only one phone and said she knew nothing about the deposits except that they were made by a man she described as her fiancé and his friends.

In addition, one of the officials said, she told investigators that her application for asylum included mention of a previous rape, but there was no such account in the application. She also told them that she had been subjected to genital mutilation, but her account to the investigators differed from what was contained in the asylum application.

Once again we have a “he said/she said” case. I have no personal knowledge of the case nor do I know any of the people involved. When the story first broke many people jumped to the conclusion he must be guilty. Now many of the same people are saying he must be innocent.

Let’s assume the housekeeper is a really bad woman with lots of unsavory friends. Does that mean she couldn’t be raped?

Of course not. All this new information goes to her credibility, but does not directly contradict the basic allegations. If she was involved in unrelated criminal activity it’s not surprising that she would lie to the police about it.

We know the woman had a sexual encounter with Strauss-Kahn. The only issue is whether that encounter was consensual or not.

My question is this – who is leaking this information and why?


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48 Responses to Even prostitutes can be raped

  1. Lola-at-Large says:

    I don’t know, but the NYT story implied there was more to the story. Also, the head of the Manhattan prosecutor’s sex-crimes department either stepped down or was fired yesterday. I’m hearing conflicting reports on that.

    But yes, you are correct in your assessment. While we’re on the subject, though, what’s happened with the Assange case? Haven’t heard anything there for some time.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Assange is still fighting extradition

    • myiq2xu says:

      This is how you resolve issues of disputed fact – you put 12 reasonable and impartial people in a room, present them with all the relevant, admissible evidence, let them listen to the witnesses, give them arguments for and against, then let them decide if the state has met the burden of proving the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt.

      • Three Wickets says:

        Yes, take it to trial, let the jury decide. These pre trial shenanigans and the NYTimes again playing the role of the leakee and impartial arbiter, all stinks. All I need to know is was she assaulted, and did she plan to be assaulted ahead of time.

      • sandress says:

        Are there any impartial people left after the media circus?

  2. WMCB says:

    I haven’t followed the case, but yes, she could have been raped even if she is a lying skeeze.

    This may seem unrelated, but hubby treated a patient recently who had been bounced from 4 ER’s in 3 weeks. She was a drug addict – narcotic pills, benzos, etc. She was a hysterical flake and not a pleasant woman. And she kept complaining of terrible back pain. Which is pretty common for druggies seeking narcs.

    But he did his damn job. He worked her up, found a minor discrepancy on a couple of tests that he could have blown off, but didn’t. Tested some more, and discovered that she had a huge abscess on her goddamn SPINE. He got her to a neurosurgeon stat, but it had been already eating away for weeks while doctor after doctor blew her off, and she now may never walk again. Of course, if he had dismissed her rantings, she might be dead, so at least there is that.

    The point being that sometimes batshit drug-seekers have a real reason for real pain. And longtime malingering hypochondriacs get real diseases. And completely unsavory women get raped.

    Do your job. Find out the truth.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I didn’t follow it either – I don’t like seeing cases like this tried in the media.

      The one thing I remember is that he is an alleged socialist and was staying in a $3000 per night room.

      • Pips says:

        Aka Gauche caviar.

        Gauche caviar (Caviar left) is a pejorative French term to describe someone who claims to be a socialist while living in a way that contradicts socialist values. The expression is a political neologism dating from the 1980s and implies a degree of hypocrisy.

  3. myiq2xu says:

    Daily Beast from May 21st:

    The luxury-hotel maid who alleges she was sexually assaulted by Dominique Strauss-Kahn was found by a supervisor in a hallway where she hid after escaping from the former International Monetary Fund director’s room. Hotel workers described her as traumatized, having difficulty speaking, and immediately concerned about pressing charges and losing her job, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

    The maid also repeatedly spit on the walls and floors of the suite in front of her hotel colleagues as she alleged that Strauss-Kahn locked her in his room and forced her into oral sex acts. That saliva is being tested for DNA markers and could become a crucial piece of evidence in the case, the sources said…

    Throughout the questioning, the maid appeared traumatized, at one point going to a bathroom to try to vomit and several times spitting on the floor and walls of the suite, according to the sources.

  4. myiq2xu says:

    Jeralyn thinks he’s innocent but she has a soft spot for rapists (like child-rapist Roman Polanski)

  5. myiq2xu says:

    Bostonboomer thinks there was a major conspiracy to get Strauss-Kahn.

    Could she have been paid to set Strauss-Kahn up and get him fired from the IMF as well as dropped from consideration as a candidate for President of France? If so, who set him up? Who had motive, means, and opportunity, and who benefited? I see a couple of possibilities:

    1. The Brits and Americans wanted him off the IMF so they could really stick it to Greece. Strauss-Kahn is a socialist and was talking about trying to help struggling countries. Obviously the Obama administration or some rogue element in the government had means and opportunity.

    2. Sarkozy wanted to get rid of a dangerous rival for the French presidency and also to install his Finance Minister as head of the IMF. He would probably need cooperation from the Obama administration or the aforementioned rogue government elements to get the NYPD on board. (Coincidentally (or not?), Sarkozy was attacked in France today).

    • votermom says:

      This is like the “Weiner is just being attacked because of CDS” argument. Fun for conspiracy theorists, but doesn’t let the perp off the hook.

    • ralphb says:

      BB crossed the Rubicon 😉

    • Pips says:

      That’s almost as painful to read as her over-the-top smearing of the two (totally untrustworthy, scheming, celebrity stalking!) Swedish women in the case of (poor, innocent, brave, set-up!) Assange.

      • DandyTiger says:

        Oh dear, I didn’t follow that episode of blame the victim. That sucks.

        • myiq2xu says:

          If he’s so obviously innocent why is he fighting extradition?

        • Pips says:

          According to bb:

          Is Julian Assange on the Obama assassination list? The U.S. wants him very badly, and Sweden wants to talk to him about sexual assault charges that according to his lawyer consist of having sex with two different women without using condoms.
          […]
          On the other hand, it might be faster and easier for President Obama to just have Assange killed. Obama has claimed the right to assassinate anyone on just his say-so. If Assange turns up dead, I for one won’t have any doubt who order the hit.

          To give just a small idea. [rolling eyes]

      • Last I heard, iirc, was that the womens’ stories were accepted as pretty much truthful but minor, and the issue was whether the Swedish police were blowing them up into something that Assange could be prosecuted for.

        As for the police in both countries, it’s the same pattern: an incident that would be ignored with a normal accused man, gets incredibly high priority treatment when the accused has influential political enemies. (Eg, Assange iirc was only the second person in c. 10 months to have an Interpol red alert issued for him; the other was accused of serial murders.)

        I posted a lot of material about this on my lj at the time.

  6. WMCB says:

    If her lying is so damaging to her side of the story, isn’t his lying and behavior just as damaging to his?

    The first claim was “I wasn’t even in the room at that time.” THEN there was the evidence of semen, which shot down his first lie, FOLLOWED by the “when I said I wasn’t there, I meant I was there having consentual sex with her. Then I decided to leave the hotel room without my belongings and hop on the next plane.”

    Dude behaved guilty as fuck, then lied to the police about whether he’d even been in the room when they picked him up.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Information that gets released early in these cases usually comes from the police and prosecutors and they want to make the accused look as guilty as possible.

    • angienc says:

      All very true, WMCB, but when a d00d lies he isn’t a lying whore who can’t be trusted — that only applies to women who lie. This is especially true about lying in sex crime cases, where lying *only* affects the credibility of the female victim, not the defendant, because, duh, all men lie about sex and the only time women lie about sex is when they regret it and “cry rape.”

      I wish that was all snark, but it is actually a pretty accurate picture of what happens in sex crime cases.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Rape by it’s nature is committed in secrecy – the only witness is the victim.

        Not surprisingly many of the rapists claim the sex was consensual and that the woman is lying.

        When the rapist is wealthy, famous and/or powerful and the victim poor and powerless they always claim it was an extortion set up.

        • myiq2xu says:

          BTW – a bona fide rape victim could still try to extort money from the rapist.

        • angienc says:

          When the rapist is wealthy, famous and/or powerful and the victim poor and powerless they always claim it was an extortion set up.

          William Kennedy Smith, anyone? That girl was raped, I don’t give a damn what the jury said.

          You’re totally right — the defense is always “the lying whore is just after money!” I wish they’d come up with something more original just once, but I guess “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Blaming the woman usually works out pretty well.

        • sandress says:

          I certainly know that I go out and fuck skeezy douchebags in unpleasant ways so that I can possibly end up with the chance of some cash, and/or get viciously smeared in the press for having the gall to have a vagina. I do it all the time. I plan to do it this weekend, actually.

  7. DandyTiger says:

    Why do you all hate Strauss-Kahn? Hasn’t he suffered enough? /snark

  8. WMCB says:

    True. I have no idea if I think he did it or not. But the rush to aquit him in the press bugs me, just like rushes to convict in the media do.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I suspect there is a huge amount of political pressure involved in this case

      • DandyTiger says:

        Ya think. 🙂

        • Three Wickets says:

          The coordination in the media and blogosphere yesterday was a marvel to watch. They must have a tight team with good leadership at the top. I’m assuming the defense team isn’t working pro bono. And if the goal of the team is to get him off, whatever it takes, then this scenario now would seem to make sense.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Of course prostitutes can be raped. We all know that in the moral and ethical sense. In the legal sense, no they can’t. A victim better be on the straight and narrow and preferably belong to somebody, or else it’s almost useless to try and prosecute.

    From reading the article, there’s nothing to suggest she’s a prostitute or even a bad woman. It sounds like her prison boyfriend was laundering money thru her account. It doesn’t seem like she would be working as a maid if it was money for her. As to lying on her asylum app, that just sounds like nonsense. She’s Guinean, the odds of her being subjected to FGM and having been raped previously are pretty high. I can think of dozens of reasons why you would or wouldn’t put that info on an application.

    • “It doesn’t seem like she would be working as a maid if it was money for her.”

      Unless she had an ulterior motive for taking the maid job.

      • sandress says:

        Ooh, maybe she was a CIA assassin sent to murder the guy, but she got seduced by his power and money, then had consensual sex with him, then decided to fake rape so he’d at least be out of power and then she could murder him with impunity after he retired…

  10. yttik says:

    There is no evidence of her being a prostitute or even of being a “bad woman.” It sounds like her prison boyfriend was laundering money thru her account. It’s unlikely she would be working as a maid if the money was for her.

    However, he has a history and a pattern of behavior that is well documented, including women in the past who complained that he raped them.

  11. myiq2xu says:

    Vivian Norris at HuffPoop:

    If this was a set up, why did an intelligent man, just about to announce his run for Presidency, in one of the most important jobs in the world, not see through it? Or did he feel his position would allow him to do what he wished because he was so powerful? Or even more disturbing, did he even think about it, or was it so the norm in his world that he did not have to worry? This story is about Narcissism, the idea that we in the West, can actually still control things.

    […]

    Reading an article about the DSK case a few days ago, one thing struck me as glaringly disturbing. The missing cell phone, the one he called the hotel about at least three times, demanded that it be brought to the airport several times, and sent his step daughter to crawl around on the ground with an employee of the restaurant McCormick and Schmick’s to look for, was one of several phones DSK had with him. Why would a man who supposedly had violently attacked a woman for sexual favors keep calling the hotel where the alleged crime occurred, asking for his cell phone? Why would he assume that when the people asked for him at the entrance to the Air France plane at JFK, that they were there to return his precious phone (and not arrest him)?

    Because it was the phone used for official IMF business.

    Sorry, but this time the conspiracy theorists have a lot in their favor. That phone had information in it which was not only highly confidential, surely had exchanges which would foretell the direction the IMF, banks and others would take in the days and weeks to come, heck, it was worth a fortune.

    The question we should all be asking is, “Why now?” Why, just prior to major decisions about Greece, the euro, a possible domino effect which could bring down major banks, add to the already crippling financial crisis and ultimately shift in the balance of power and money, does something like this come out?

    Who had access to the important information in that phone? The information was worth enormous amounts to banks, hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, heads of state, who were all hanging on edge, waiting to see what the next steps would be regarding a possible domino effect if Greece defaulted, if the euro was saved, etc. The numbers called, messages and emails sent and received, including vital information and strategies and perhaps even what was going to happen the following day as DSK joined Merkel to discuss the future of, well, the world’s economy, were all in that cell phone.

    {{dons foliehatt}}

    Hmmmm.

    • votermom says:

      Moral of the story: don’t entrust valuable information to entitled doods with over-active dicks and under-active brains.

      This would never have happened if the IMF was headed by woman.

      Seriously.

    • DandyTiger says:

      OK, maybe BB has a point. Hmmm.

    • Three Wickets says:

      Whatever. There’s nothing the IMF has done or will do in the coming months that is different from what the EU/ECB has been planning anyway, at least re the financial crisis in Europe.

    • sandress says:

      Out of curiosity, what precisely would be stored on the cell phone? If it was a smart phone and he was receiving sensitive emails on it, then they’re IDIOTS to begin with. Otherwise, they’ve have a record of what calls he made at what times, a record of phone numbers, but nothing about the content of the calls, unless he’d gotten unchecked voicemail on the damn thing. I don’t buy it.

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