Cheese makes you crazy


Wisconsin resident Ann Althouse:

“It feels like madness abounds in our state, like Wisconsin is 65,000 square miles surrounded by sanity.”

“We’re just living in a really weird time.”

Said Mike McCabe, executive director of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

“I’m sort of happy about this because this shows people that politics is about things that affect people’s lives. On the other hand, I’m sad for Wisconsin because this is all the wrong kind of politics…. We’ve gone from clean-cut to really being on the cutting edge of the new form of American politics — battle to the death, win at any cost.”

Said Mordechai Lee, a professor of government affairs at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

And this is what really got me:

The state’s nine legislative recall elections compare with a total of 20 across the nation since 1913, according to Joshua Spivak, a senior fellow at the Hugh L. Carey Institute for Government Reform at Wagner College in New York. Wisconsin has had two.

Amazing. We really have gone crazy.


But . . . but . . . it’s LEGAL!

The initiative, recall and referendum were some of the reforms enacted during The Progressive Era (1890 to 1920.) They are sometimes referred to as “direct democracy.”

In recent years these reforms have been perverted to serve other aims. Here in California the initiative process has been used to place “wedge issues” on the ballot to help Republican candidates and has resulted in draconian laws like 3-strikes.

A special interest crafts a ballot proposition and hires paid petition signature gatherers to get enough signatures to place it on the ballot. We even had one that was worded so the voting “no” meant “yes.”

The recall was used against Democratic governor Gray Davis. Wikipedia:

In July 2003, a sufficient number of citizen signatures were collected for a recall election. The initial drive for the recall was fueled by funds from the personal fortune of U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, a Republican who originally hoped to replace Davis himself. The 2003 California recall special election was the goal of the “Dump Davis” campaign, and constituted the first gubernatorial recall in Californian history, and only the second in U.S. history.

Do we really want to hold special elections every six months as both sides keep fighting for control of state governments? That would cause major instability and wreak havoc.

Barring the malfeasance, misfeasance or nonfeasance of elected officials the results of regular elections should be honored by everyone.


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60 Responses to Cheese makes you crazy

  1. JeanLouise says:

    I’d say that just about anyone could make a mis, mal and non case against everyone who’s up for recall. Let the people speak.

    I’m just sorry that Walker can’t be recalled until January and that we don’t have the recall option to deal with my thieving governor.

    • myiq2xu says:

      The people spoke last November. If Walker gets recalled the GOP will launch a recall against his replacement.

    • JeanLouise says:

      You seem to be the one who wants to thwart the will of the people. If they didn’t want to have this option, they could have legally removed it.

      So, yes, it’s legal. Do it. If the people support Walker, he’ll keep his job.

      If I could mount a recall against Obama, I would.

      • myiq2xu says:

        So you wouldn’t have a problem with recall elections every six months?

        • WMCB says:

          Hey, that’d be cool. Just think, everyone gets a do-over whenever they want. And govt representatives will not only have to raise big money for their campaign, they’ll have to raise enough to defend their seat every 6 months!

          Geez, if that became the norm, you’d have to have some pretty deep pockets behind you to even run for office. That would have SUCH a positive effect on our system.

          Let’s start impeaching presidents because we don’t like their policies, too. Get them under oath for something ridiculous, and see if we can catch them in a lie! After all, it’s legal.

  2. Dario says:

    Recalls should be disallowed, except when the governor has clearly behaved unethically, but not illegally, and won’t step down. Not liking the policies of a governor should never be a reason to recall.

  3. Dario says:

    Krugman:

    July 11, 2011, 7:18 pm
    He’s Just Not That Into You

    Where by “he” I mean Obama, and by “you” I mean Democrats, and everything they stand for:

    Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal

    Terrible policy, disastrous politics. Perfect!

    • DandyTiger says:

      If Paul and others bothered to actually listen to what Obama said during primaries and debates, and bothered to notice who he surrounded himself with, they wouldn’t be so surprised. What’s that phrase I’m looking for… oh yea: WE TOLD YOU SO!

      • Dario says:

        The old have use healthcare the most. Increasing age eligibility will not help the situation. The Dick needed to make Medicare available to everybody. Instead he chose to leave the group that uses the least health care for the private sector to milk for profit. Obama has made two terrible decisions: health care and the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Both hurt the deficit, forcing him to cut government spending and push the economy into another recession. A bad economy is not going to be good for his reelection.

        • WMCB says:

          It’s a backdoor workaround to save on SS also. Insurance is tied to employment, so if they retire at 65, they will be uninsured for 2 years, if Medicare doesn’t kick in til 67.

          What will most people do? They will delay retirement (and thus SS benefits) until 67 so they can stay insured. Bingo – you just effectively raised the SS retirement age as well, without the political fallout of saying you did.

        • DandyTiger says:

          Obama has made two terrible decisions
          I think that’s redundant. I don’t think he can make anything but terrible decisions.

  4. WMCB says:

    I agree. I don’t like recall elections being abused (by either side) just because you disagree on policy or are angry over policy. That’s what elections are for.

    • JeanLouise says:

      And when recalls are part of the government of the sate, they are just as legitimate as elections.

      • myiq2xu says:

        No one said they weren’t legitimate. Strawman much?

        Having the right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

        • Mary says:

          Thank you.

          And if the unions are financing those recalls based on policy disagreements, to nullify the previous election results, they should lose their tax-free status. Period.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I’m not a fan of recalls either. In the case of Walker, it’s instigated by union thugs trying to save their gravy train. Walker basically did what he promised to do and was elected. We all know, elections have consequences 😉

        • myiq2xu says:

          it’s instigated by union thugs trying to save their gravy train.

          The other day someone was referring to Walker’s “thugs” and “goons.”

          That kind of name-calling isn’t helpful.

        • Mary says:

          Well said, Denise.

          Walker, like The Dick, once elected, has the right to say “I Won,” and to enact the agenda he ran on.

          That’s exactly how Americans got Obamacare shoved down their throat.

          Goose and gander. No whining allowed, per Pelosi.

  5. Karma says:

    From Gov Davis’ wiki page linked above.

    “It’s like the Oakland Raiders saying to Tampa Bay, ‘We know you beat us, but we want to play the Super Bowl again,”‘ said Davis about the recall

    That Super Bowl was brutal to watch….excellent example.

  6. Dario says:

    Should companies be allowed to use the ballot measure? We’ve seen that kind of misuse too, like PG&E in 2010.

    Amazon seeks ballot measure to undo California tax

    • 1539days says:

      Amazon should just move out of California instead. Because of the law that says states can collect income tax from online companies in state, many are moving out of state. When Christie in NJ cuts taxes on businesses, they move to NJ from NY to avoid New York’s myriad tax laws.

      • Dario says:

        Amazon is not in California. Amazon is headquartered in Seattle. The law Amazon is trying to fight applies to all internet sales.

        • 1539days says:

          If they have a warehouse in CA, they’re in CA.

        • WMCB says:

          Their headquarters is in Seattle, but they had about 25,000 affiliates doing business in CA. Amazon cut them all off after the bill passed.

          When they passed the bill, CA crowed that they’d be getting about 200 million in taxes from those amazon affiliates. Not anymore. They won’t get jack in new tax revenue. Not only will they not get jack in new tax revenue, they have now LOST the income tax revenue that those 25,000 affiliates were already paying. It will end up in the negative territory as far as revenue goes.

          It’s a classic example of the consequences of a tax policy that any idiot could have told them would happen (and those who opposed the bill DID tell them it would happen.)

          When you legislate taxes based on emotion (“YEAH! Make those bastards pay more!”), rather than on the realities of the world as it is, this is what happens.

        • Dario says:

          The affiliates are not important to the law.
          LAT:

          California tells online retailers to start collecting sales taxes from customers
          Beginning Friday, Amazon.com and other large out-of-state retailers will be required to collect sales taxes on purchases that their California customers make online.

          That’s why Amazon wants to get the petition and get a referendum to repeal the sales tax.
          It’s difficult to know how CA voters will vote. We’re more liberal than other states and it’s possible that the voters let the tax stay. We understand that CA business are not competitive with online companies. We’ll see.

        • 1539days says:

          But those affiliates may go out of business. When you say brick and mortar businesses aren’t competitive, they can barely compete at all. The more online shopping I do, the better prices I see. Is it fair? Itr’s sure fair to me. I get to pay a lower price for the exact same thing. Is it fair to physical stores? Not if their business model is marking up items.

        • Dario says:

          I like to visit stores and check out the merchandise. I want to read a few pages of a book before I buy it. I like to feel the material of any garment before I buy. I don’t mind paying more to have the luxury of looking at what I’m buying. I avoid buying online. I know I pay more for whatever in the small hardware store than at Home Depot. I’m okay with that. I hate places like Home Depot.

          I’ve heard people say that they check out the merchandise at the stores and then buy online cheap. How long do these people think they can continue to do that? I will miss the small bookshops and all small businesses when they are gone. A picture just doesn’t do it for me.

        • ralphb says:

          I also like local small businesses and support them all I can. However, they usually don’t or can’t compete with online sellers. I think it’s a mistake to try and the appeal should be to local pride instead.

        • Dario says:

          Small businesses can’t compete with online prices because small business have high rents, not some warehouse in the middle of nowhere. Their taxes are higher and other expenses that must be added to the price in order for the business to stay serving customers. It’s a choice for those to buy online to go for the price, but low price is not everything. Asking questions about the product, and being able to return it without having to repackage is very important. I only buy online when there’s no one nearby that carries the product or can special order. I refuse to buy from Amazon. Maybe someday I’ll have to.

        • DandyTiger says:

          If CA is the only place Amazon would have to deal with the tax issues, and if modifying their system to handle it costs too much, they could just choose to not sell to any customers in CA. That would be funny.

        • Dario says:

          DT, it would be funny if CA can’t buy from Amazon, but I doubt that any business would give up serving Californians. We’re too big to throw away, and whatever Amazon needs to do to serve Californians, it will do.

  7. 1539days says:

    There’s a reason the Founding Fathers created a Republic. People get to vote on who represents them, but you need one voice out of thousands who can make the decisions. If more politicians had to run on their record and not their advertising budget, they would be better agents of the people.

    When the amendment was passed for the direct elections of Senators, the assumption was that the Senators would be less beholden to the state legislature. Instead, they are beholden to the funds of the RSCC and the DSCC. Frankly, I’d prefer my corruption would act locally.

  8. DandyTiger says:

    Random funny:

    “Alexander Hamilton started the United States Treasury with nothing, and that is the closest our country has ever been to being even!” – Will Rogers

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Protesting the Gov’s wife in her backyard? Who are these people ?

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/07/newest-wisconsin-protest-jackassery.html

  10. Three Wickets says:

    Yes, never sure what to think about ballot initiatives. Results aren’t always great. Speaking of recalls though and OT, the NYPost is looking shakier on its DSK accuser was a prostitute story. If the Manhattan DA Cy Vance moves to dismiss this assault case, some NYers are organizing a Vance recall.

  11. Three Wickets says:

    Another OT. The amount of subtle and not so subtle propaganda out there on the internets these days is freaky.

  12. Karma says:

    Since Obama was all over this Osama operation, does that mean Rev Wright will have to add Obama to his vaccine conspiracy theory/sermon? Couldn’t resist the snark…but I can’t imagine this type of news will help health organizations in the Middle East.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna

  13. ralphb says:

    Not cheesy but funny. About the Paul Ryan wine faux- scandal from a commenter at Legal Insurrection.

    Would you rather wake up to find yourself the spitting image of Paul Ryan seated in a restaurant drinking $350 wine with a couple of friends on a chilly night, the three of you draped in $3,500 albino mink stoles … looking up to find a furious Professor Feinberg with her trembling hand on one of your bottles of wine … your other bottle of blood-red wine in the hands of her Professor of Animal-Rights-Activism best friend … OR … would you rather wake up to find yourself with a severe case of Tourette’s Syndrome at a Hamas meeting, unable to get the phrase “Muhammad was a false prophet!!” out of your head?

  14. WMCB says:

    Uh Oh. Lessee, he is already bleeding white women like a sieve, now he’s losing Hispanics.

    President Barack Obama is hosting a White House meeting for Hispanic advocacy groups Monday, just a week after a Gallup poll of Hispanic voters revealed potentially lethal news for his re-election chances.

    The Gallup poll showed that Obama’s support among Hispanics fell almost a third in the last 18 months, down from 73 percent in December 2009 to 52 percent in June 2011. That’s very bad news for Democrats, because Obama’s re-election strategy depends on a Hispanic landslide in swing states such as Florida and Virginia.

    And Plouffe is smoking some really good shit. He opines that Obama will garner even MORE of both the black and Hispanic vote than he did in 2008. I can see where most AA’s will still vote for him, but I’m really skeptical he is going to get bigger turnout than 2008, unless he lays on the race card hard and heavy – which is going to turn off even more non-black voters.

    On July 7, White House senior aide David Plouffe said the president’s re-election campaign would win on a wave of votes from blacks and Hispanics. “We believe that we can improve over what we did in 2008 in turnout in some of those base Obama groups,” he told reporters at a breakfast organized by Bloomberg’s political news operation in Washington, D.C.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/11/obama-huddles-with-hispanic-groups-to-woo-support-for-2012-race/

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