It’s a trap!

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Via Hot Air, Greg Sargent:

Top Wisconsin Dems increasingly worried that GOP will protect Scott Walker from recall

Top Democrats in Wisconsin are increasingly worried that Republicans will be able to prevent Governor Scott Walker from recall by engineering a situation in which the election to recall and replace him takes place on the same day as the Wisconsin GOP 2012 presidential primary, when GOP turnout is at a maximum, I’m told.

The possibility of this happening is being taken so seriously by Wisconsin Dems that they are currently gaming out what to do about it. That both sides are already plotting their strategies over Walker is a sign that both recognize that a recall election against him is a near certainty and that it will be intensely fought, with an immense amount riding on the outcome.

Leading Wisconsin Dems are leaning towards a plan to ensure that the recall election against Walker is held on the same day as the November general election in 2012. This would ensure maximum turnout among Dems in the state, making Walker’s recall more likely, and provide a big boost in grassroots energy that could help Obama win a key swing state.

But Graeme Zielinski, a spokesman for Wisconsin Dems, tells me that party members have picked up private scuttlebutt from Republicans that they have another scheme in mind — to ensure that the recall election is held on the same day in April as the GOP presidential primary.

“Democrats have privately spoken with top Republicans who think triggering a spring recall election is their best path to protecting Scott Walker and preserving his agenda,” Zielinski tells me, though he said the party was not publicly advocating for one route or the other.

Here’s the situation, in a nutshell: The date of the recall depends on when signature gathering for the election starts. If it starts this fall, just after the recalls against state senators wrap up, activists will have 60 days to collect the required signatures. If they succeed by the end of the year, Wisconsin officials very well may schedule the Walker recall to coincide with the next big statewide election: The GOP primary.

Some local activists on the Dem side want to begin collecting signatures for Walker’s recall just after the current elections conclude, in order to build on their momentum. But some top Dems worry that this will play into the hands of Republicans who want this timeline. What’s more, Dems expect Republicans to try to encourage this outcome by launching their own dirty-trick drives to collect signatures for Walker ’s recall on this timeline, in order to force the earlier date.


“The best shot at beating Walker is November 2012, when President Obama and competitive Congressional races, are also on the ballot,” a source familiar with top-level discussions says. “We play right into Scott Walker’s hands by doing this recall sooner. That’s exactly what he wants. It’s a death trap.”

If the Democrats do it, it’s “strategy.” If the Republicans do it, it’s “dirty tricks.”

BTW – Under Cheesehead law they have to wait until Walker has been in office one year before they can recall him.

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20 Responses to It’s a trap!

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Hot Air:

    It’s interesting that Sargent — who has followed the Wisconsin story closely and written extensively about the Republicans’ “dirty tricks” in the recall elections — manages to spin this in favor of the Democrats, as though Democrats, not Republicans, have shown respect for the electoral process throughout the entire controversy. But Democrats started the movement to recall rightfully elected senators in the first place, betraying an unseemly impatience to thwart Walker’s transparent administration (everything he’s done, he said he would do during his campaign!) and to enact a union agenda. After all, all nine recalled state senators would have stood for reelection eventually, just as Walker would have.

  2. A recall election on GOP primary day gives the GOP an advantage. On General Election day it’s fair to both sides.

    • myiq2xu says:

      There was a general election day last November.

    • WMCB says:

      I agree that setting the recall on primary day is a bit sleazy, but entirely legal.

      The problem is that WI Dems have been operating under the “if it’s legal” rule for themselves, rather than the “if it’s fair and honest” rule – such as lawmakers fleeing the state, teachers calling in “sick” etc.

      So I’m grabbing popcorn and watching their howls and panic when the other side starts playing by the rules they thought reserved for their exclusive use.

      • Do you think Wisconsin GOP was an exception to the GOP dirty tricks in 2000, 2004, and 2008?

        (Note: initiating a recall over policy is not a dirty trick.)

        • myiq2xu says:

          (Note: initiating a recall over policy is not a dirty trick.)

          It’s a bad idea though

        • WMCB says:

          Nope. And I don’t think anywhere in the country has been excluded from Dem dirty tricks in the past, either.

        • JeanLouise says:

          I get that you don’t think that it worked out in CA. That doesn’t mean that it won’t work for the better in WI.

          Also, “dirty tricks” are defined by the person writing the article and which publication it appears in as you well know.

  3. yttik says:

    It really does seem like dirty tricks. Whatever happened to good electorial sportsmanship? Let the best man win, let the voters decide? We’ve always had problems in this country but it sure seems like deceit and manipulation is the new method of operation.

    • yttik says:

      Speaking of deceit and manipulation, in my state for the presidential primary we hold a whole election and people go out and vote, thinking they’re helping to choose a candidate. What they don’t tell you is that the Dems completely disregard that vote and only use caucus results to select their nominee. So why do we send hundreds of thousands of people out to the polls?? Literally because people have the right to participate in the process and feel as if they have a voice. “Feel” as if they have a voice, not actually have one.

  4. WMCB says:

    LOL! I just love the spin in this article. So doing everything within the confines of the law to win one’s cause is fine for the Democrats. But for the Republicans to work within the law to advantage their candidates is “dirty tricks”. As Alinsky said, you are supposed to insist that your opponent abide by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while you go agitate all you want.

    Recall elections because you don’t like certain legislation? LEGAL! Use every tool!

    Fleeing the state to avoid a vote? LEGAL! Use every tool!

    Trying to avoid the recall election falling on R primary day? LEGAL! Use every tool!

    Trying to make the recalls fall on R primary day? ZOMG, the fucking dirty scheming bastards!!

    Progressives are just pissed that grassroots conservatives are now learning to out-Alinsky them, and out-activist them. Activism “for the people” is supposed to be THEIR gig, dontcha know. No one else allowed. Large swathes of the electorate who disagree, and are doing a little organizing of their own, is freaking them the fuck out.

    I got news for you. This is a center to center-right country for the most part. Which is why I’ve said for years that the left needed to be focused on convincing people about ideas, rather than just winning politically. That winning by virtue of just being more vocal and angry and determined was going to turn around to bite us in the ass eventually. At some point, you have to change people’s minds, rather than just steamroll over them. Otherwise, they will get sick of being steamrolled and organize themselves. And then you are fucked, because there are more of them than us.

    • WMCB says:

      And BTW, before anyone comes in here and repeats the tired old saw that “most Americans are really liberal, they just don’t know it”, let me call a pre-emptive bullshit.

      In order to believe that, you have to believe that the 80% of the country that self-identifies as “not liberal” are all idiots who have no idea of the differences between liberal and conservative. They have never examined their beliefs, never had an opinion on the policy results of either party in while in power, have made no conscious decisions about how they will self identify, or generally are clueless as to their own political leanings, and what each side stands for.

      That’s a fucking whopper of a self-deception, to convince yourself that 80% of the country are that stupid and un-self-aware.

      42% of the country identifies as conservative. 35% identifies as moderate, which means that while they have real beefs with conservatives, they have some real beefs with us as well. Only 20% self-identifies as liberal.

      • ralphb says:

        Once upon a time I thought of myself as liberal. Then I took a good look around and decided I was a moderate. Ever since, the actions of liberals seem to be pushing me further right. I’m afraid that by election time in 2012 I’m gonna be to the right of Attila the Hun.

        • WMCB says:

          It’s funny that my insistence on being able to pay for things, and not having the govt unduly interfere in private lives and private business, and my observation that it’s the private sector that creates jobs and prosperity, all of which has been part of my political philosophy all my damn life, only recently makes me a right winger, or at least right-leaning in the eyes of some.

          Since when did being a liberal mean embracing not just reasonable help for those in need as a function of a civilized society, and govt policing the inevitable abuses of the market, but swearing allegiance to a blanket collectivist world view in almost every area?

          *shrug* Oh, well. I could care less about labels. I am who I am – a concerned, pragmatic, caring American who can see the areas where both parties are full of shit from time to time. Right now, the stench from the D party is at record levels. But I have no party loyalty, so that may change, and the R’s be the ones stinking up the joint later.

          Long live the aversive-to-groupthink heretics, baby! There’s a lot of us out here, and we may save this country yet. Any party that seems to think they have “won us over”, because we happen to agree with them this week, is in for a rude awakening. 😀

    • foxyladi14 says:

      yepper 🙂

    • Mary says:

      Isn’t that exactly WHY Walker got elected?

      Because the voters were tired of being steamrolled, and finally had enough?

  5. foxyladi14 says:

    seems to make sense to me..why make 2 trips to the it all while you are already there….:)

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