I smell astroturf


I keep getting asked what I have against Occupy Wall Street. The answer is simple:

I smell astroturf.

Let’s not forget that Barack Obama’s campaign manager is an astroturf specialist. Three years ago he astroturfed the blogosphere. Now his candidate is in trouble and suddenly we have Obama acting like a born-again populist at the same time a populist protest movement starts.

Who is in charge of OWS? Supposedly nobody, but they are awfully well organized and coordinated for a group of anarchists that couldn’t put together a two-car parade.

Go read Riverdaughter’s posts about her field trip to Wall Street yesterday. It was right in front of her nose and she didn’t see it. Thousands of people, no leaders, and it WASN’T a major clusterfuck.

Hello?

OWS is protesting against banks and rich people, but none of their anger is directed at the single biggest recipient of campaign donations from Wall Street.

While they’re protesting against Wall Street they ARE NOT protesting against Obama. Now the unions that support Obama are joining the action.

Check out this column by Justin Idiot over at Salon:

In July Adbusters, a Vancouver-based publication known for its incisive critiques of capitalism, included a poster in that month’s magazine that read simply:

#OCCUPYWALLSTREET

September 17th. Bring tent.

http://www.occupywallst.org

In response to the call, several loose-knit groups of organizers got involved and hundreds of people showed up on Wall Street on Sept. 17. A few weeks later, Occupy Wall Street is now spreading around the country and attracting intense interest from the media.

I spoke to Adbusters co-founder and editor in chief Kalle Lasn about the practical and ideological origins of the movement and about the continuing debate over its demands. The following transcript of our conversation has been edited for length.

You issued the original call to occupy Wall Street back in July. How did that come about and what was the thinking behind it?

It was a poster that we put in the middle of the July edition of Adbusters magazine and a listserv that we sent out to our 90,000-strong culture-jammers network around the world. It was also a blog post on our website. For the last 20 years, our network has been interested in cultural revolution and just the whole idea of radical transformations.

[…]

In the original call to action, Adbusters asked that 20,000 flood into lower Manhattan and set up tents. The piece also said:

Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices. Tahrir succeeded in large part because the people of Egypt made a straightforward ultimatum – that Mubarak must go – over and over again until they won. Following this model, what is our equally uncomplicated demand?

I sat in on discussions down in Zuccoti Park where this very issue was being discussed. But obviously there is no single demand yet. Do you think it has developed differently than the vision outlined in Adbusters?

Originally we thought that the idea of one demand was very important. There’s been a debate going on between the one-demand vision and this other vision that is playing itself out right now on Wall Street. I think it’s a wonderful debate and there are good pointers on both sides. Currently this leaderless, demandless movement — that is still growing in leaps and bounds — I think it is fine the way it is. After these assemblies have been conducted and debates have been had in cities all around America, demands will emerge. These demands will be specific things like reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act or a 1 percent tax on financial transactions or the banning of high-frequency trading. We will get into specifics, just give us time.

I think this whole thing will stay fairly amorphous through the next big event on Oct. 6 in Washington. Then it will gain global momentum on Oct. 15 when the Europeans have their big moment in the sun. I think the big global catalytic moment may well happen on Nov. 3 or Nov. 4 when the G-20 is meeting in France. In the month following that these demands of ours will emerge and we may well find millions of people marching around the world.

Can you speculate about how these demands will emerge? Do you see leaders or spokespeople emerging? How do you see it playing out as a process?

The political left has always had problems with this. All my life I’ve been sitting in meetings where loony guys get up and talk, and eventually very little happens. This is the kind of weight that is dragging the political left down. We don’t seem to have the clarity of vision that for example the Tea Party has. This may be our undoing again. This whole movement may fizzle out in a bunch of loony lefty kind of bullshit.

Then again, at the same time, I’ve been in daily touch with dozens and dozens of people in cities all around the world who are involved in this. And I have a feeling that because of the Internet and a different kind of mentality that young people have, a horizontal way of thinking about things, this movement may not just come up with some really good demands and put incredible people pressure on our politicians, but a more beautiful thing may come out of this movement: a new model of democracy, a new model of how activism can work, of how the people can have a radical democracy and have some of their demands met. This new model may well be a new kind of a horizontal thing that in some strange way works like the Internet works.

Yeah. This thing was announced two months in advance and yet it is spontaneous and unplanned.

This part sounds more like a plan than a prediction:

I think this whole thing will stay fairly amorphous through the next big event on Oct. 6 in Washington. Then it will gain global momentum on Oct. 15 when the Europeans have their big moment in the sun. I think the big global catalytic moment may well happen on Nov. 3 or Nov. 4 when the G-20 is meeting in France. In the month following that these demands of ours will emerge and we may well find millions of people marching around the world.


And this part is pure bullshit:

And I have a feeling that because of the Internet and a different kind of mentality that young people have, a horizontal way of thinking about things, this movement may not just come up with some really good demands and put incredible people pressure on our politicians, but a more beautiful thing may come out of this movement: a new model of democracy, a new model of how activism can work, of how the people can have a radical democracy and have some of their demands met. This new model may well be a new kind of a horizontal thing that in some strange way works like the Internet works.


That’s an updated version of the same stuff we heard in the sixties, only human nature hasn’t changed. It’s a lefty bong fantasy. It’s also the same kind of bullshit we heard about Obama.

I think most of the OWS protesters are sincere but naive. I think they are being used, and I think some people who should know better need to be a lot more skeptical and careful.

As my grandma would say, “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

YMMV


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136 Responses to I smell astroturf

  1. Three Wickets says:

    Wall Street Protesters: Obama Didn’t Fail Us, We Failed Obama From Business Insider, the Gawker people.

  2. Lola-at-Large says:

    If I had a nickle for every time I’ve said: Bush turned the world upside down; Obama turned it inside out.

    I’d be a 1%er.

  3. riverdaughter says:

    Astroturf? How do you know so much about astroturf?

  4. Dario says:

    I smell astroturf too. It seems to me that those who are demonstrating against the fraudulent bribing criminals should be doing it in front of the bribed, congress and president, in Washington. It’s the politicians who refuse to investigate the crimes and throw the criminals in jail. I don’t see that the demonstration is being directed towards the right people. It’s another distraction to focus away from the politicians and most of all away from Obama.

    • Monster from the Id says:

      And which folks do you think are offering the bribes?

      The corrupt pols are just the overseers. The fat cats are the masters.

      • Dario says:

        In a corrupt police force situation, the bribed is the real problem because we will always be bribers. In the case of Wall Street, they are the bribers and will always be the bribers. That cannot be stopped. The real problem is elected officials in Washington who are supposed uphold the U.S. Constitution.

      • Three Wickets says:

        Which specific fat cats though. Most of the original bank heads are gone. CEOs running Citi, BofA, Wells, Morgan Stanley are recent custodians. The JPM and GS heads are the exceptions. Who else would qualify as masters. VPs and up…lower, higher.

        • Dario says:

          I guess I don’t see WS as “masters”, but bribers. WS is not monolithic in its leadership. You might be right, but I don’t see it that way. Not from what I know of WS.

        • Monster from the Id says:

          I’m losing interest in trying to distinguish between “good” and “bad” members of the elite. Tax ’em all and let their mad bitch goddess Ayn Rand sort ’em out. 😈

      • It’s late and I’ll probably garble this. But I think they’re protesting in the right place. Most of their complaints arise from things that various corporations are choosing to do (though we forget that). And the way to cut most of that off at the root is to lessen the power of the corporations in general: Glass-Stiegal, no corporate personhood, tax transactions, no revolving door, etc etc.

        The key is that government is controlled by corporations, instead of vice versa. This is a way to say to government, “We see what you’re up to. We see who is behind your curtain.”

        And OWS is also saying to the corporations, “If government won’t do their job of controlling you, we may find more direct ways. So maybe you should shape up and stop doing these things.”

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Ya think? I still get love letters from Team dKos. Today I was invited to join up (and probably donate), but I didn’t click on any of the links, I smelled astro-turf 😉

    Occupy Wall Street is spreading like wildfire. There are now supportive groups for the protests in over 250 communities in the United States and Canada.

    Almost wherever you live, there is an Occupy Wall Street group near you. Many of these groups have already started their own local protests, while the others are planning upcoming events.

    Daily Kos is joining with SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, to help grow this new movement of the 99%. We need to let the 1% know that we will no longer be silent in the face of the economic pain they continue to inflict on everyone else.

    Please, pledge to join an Occupy Wall Street group near you. After you sign, you will be redirected to a comprehensive list of local groups.

    Solidarity is beautiful,
    Chris Bowers
    Campaign Director, Daily Kos

    Funny, they didn’t think Tea Party Solidarity was beautiful ????

    • Monster from the Id says:

      I have only visited Kos a few times. I thank Haruhi that I learned what sort of place it was before I could consider joining it. If I had found it before Mucus Mo’Cheetos had been assimilated into the Oborg Collective, I might have joined, and perhaps been influenced, at least for a while.

  6. yttik says:

    It is certainly blatant astro-turf in Seattle, as in the mayor publicly speaking out in support of the protests and several other politicians flat out saying “Republicans are wall street, Obama is the solution.”

    The DNC and many individual Dem candidates are today portraying the Wallstreet protests as protests in favor of Dems and Obama’s job bill and re-election. So it has certainly became a re-elect Obama campaign regardless of what anybody intended.

    • WMCB says:

      So the dude who got more Wall Street donations than anyone in history, and has more ex-Wall Streeters working in his administration than anyone in history, is the answer to Wall Street.

      Gotcha.

      Oh, and BTW, it is not just Obama. The Democrats have been the favored party of wall street for years now. More WS donors than the R’s.

    • Monster from the Id says:

      OK, that’s a point in favor of the astroturf hypothesis, though it may be an attempt to subvert a genuine movement for Oborg purposes, rather than an Oborg astroturf affair from Day One.

      • WMCB says:

        Monster, I think it may a bit of both. And there may be pockets of protestors who are genuinely grassroots. But looking at the videos, most of them are so damn young that I’m not sure they are going to recognize it if they are getting used.

  7. Lola-at-Large says:

    They’re having an Occupy Indianapolis rally on Saturday here. I am going to check it out as a citizen journalist.

    They have a website: http://occupyindy.blogspot.com/

    So does the Occupy Louisville (KY) “movement.” Both websites use the same black, red, and white thematic arrangement/with minimalist font as the attack watch website set up by Team Obama. I invite you to further inquiry…

    • ralphb says:

      OMG, Austin is so out of step.

      http://occupyaustin.org/index.html

      • WMCB says:

        Yay for Austin – no skeery Nazi graphics!

        Seriously, just because chunks of it may be astroturf, does not mean that every website or group is. I am actually hopeful that at least a few of these starry-eyed kids can resist getting co-opted.

        There were lots and lots of attempts to co-opt the teaparties, and they mostly failed. Primarily, IMO, because it was an older, wiser, more been-there-done-that crowd.

        • myiq2xu says:

          That’s the beauty of the whole”consensus method” bullshit – it basically guarantees the group will spin its wheels for a while.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I’m having fun with my “young” FB friends who are posting their Occupy photos, I just ask “where are the Gadsden flags?” Hoping to start a conversation, no? Too hard?

        • WMCB says:

          myiq, it also guarantees that nothing ever gets focused on Obama, since they seem to be actively discouraging focus at all. Seems that free-floating vague anger suits their purpose just fine.

        • DandyTiger says:

          free-floating vague anger suits their purpose
          I believe that’s an important point. Who knows if it can turn into something real. That would be cool. But it doesn’t seem to be yet anyway.

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        No, they’re using the red, white, and black theme and the minimalist font.

        I’m in the process of documenting the various sites and taking comparison notes. So far there seem to be products that are very similar using either the red/white/black theme, or those like Seattle and Chicago, which are using old-style modernistic iconography (the fist, for example) with a blue, red, and white theme. This suggests to me there are at least two teams creating various sites to spread the “movement.” This would seem to add credence to the astroturf hypothesis.

        I’ll have more once I complete the compilation and analyze the data. I’ll post it up here later.

  8. Lola-at-Large says:

    See for yourself…

    http://www.attackwatch.com/

  9. WMCB says:

    There are at least two websites that were put up over 2 months ago, that are currently taking donations for OWS.

    occupywallst.org was registered July 14, two months before the demonstrations began, by a Los Angeles privacy service that shields the owner’s identity.

    The second, nycga.cc, was registered Sept. 11 by Brooklyn resident Vladimir Teichberg.

    One of the interesting things to me is that I googled his name, and it’s not a common one. According to linked in, there is one who is a trader for HSBC. He’s a Wall Street trader.

    Curious, no? Of course, he won’t make any money if all this unrest makes the market crash. Unless of course, he shorted it all. Then he might make a bundle scooping in all of our 401k’s, and wipe out some unwelcome competitors as a bonus. Sorta like what happened in 2008.

  10. ralphb says:

    Livestream of OccupyAusrin here for the curious.

    http://occupyaustin.org/livestream/

  11. Three Wickets says:

    Profile polling of sorts on OWS participants. Not self-identified Obama supporters from the looks of it. Only 39% of them voted in the midterms.

  12. WMCB says:

    It is very curious to me that despite claims that this all has nothing to do with supporting Obama, there is NO ire or anger being directed at the current occupant of the WH whatsoever. Not on the signs, not in the chants of the organizers, nowhere.

    I’ve been watching (and sometimes participating in) demonstrations all my life. I never went to a single one where the president was strangely absent. Never. Not one. It is strange in the extreme.

    That more than anything smells like astroturf to me. To reference Holmes, it’s the dog that didn’t bark.

    • Mimi says:

      The rightie blogs are picking up on it too. They smell a rat like we do.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I agree, nothing smells like astroturf than NOT blaming the government. This “retired” hippy-dippy-protesting-clueless-liberal ALWAYS blamed the establishment. That’s what made it fun 😀

      I’m sorry RD and NYS haven’t picked up that clue 😦 I still love them, but com’on, resisting nothing is still nothing.

      • WMCB says:

        Also, zero mention of the wars, zero mention of drone executions. Hmmmmmm…… with all the very very long lists and soundbytes flying around, with some of the looniest and most far-fetched complaints imaginable mixed in with the valid ones, NO ONE is mentioning those items? On the LEFT???

        Pull my finger.

  13. yttik says:

    Here’s the latest DNC video piggybacking off the Occupy protests.

    “Republicans: On the Side of Wall Street, Not Consumers”

    • WMCB says:

      I’ve been hearing various Dem mouthpieces do that all day. Kinda like they had the script ready and were just waiting to jump in at the right time.

    • Three Wickets says:

      Speaking of Cordray, what’s the CFPB without Warren done about these new bank fees. Nothing, I believe. Dodd-Frank hasn’t done much to change Wall Street behavior. Derivatives trading hasn’t been curtailed, TBTF is still in force, executive compensation hasn’t changed, and if BofA were to fall below say $3 a share in the coming weeks, of course the Treasury would bail them out with taxpayer money. They would just call it something different now…resolution authority. Only thing of substance that’s changed are the rules on proprietary trading at the investment banks, the Volcker rule.

      • Three Wickets says:

        Come to think of it, if Bank of America really does fail, the reason won’t be because of OWS protests, the reason will be their balance sheet collapsed under its own weight. But it would probably light a pretty big fire under the movement.

        • WMCB says:

          BOA is being thrown to the wolves just like Lehman was. The administration and the Fed have been signaling it for ages.

          The banks are still insolvent, and only some will survive. There is not enough money for govt to prop them all up. Choices will be made in backrooms. BOA is not politically connected enough to make the cut. Goldmann Sachs and CitiGroup are likely shorting them right now, and will make out like bandits when BOA falls or is broken up and sold off.

          I am convinced that the administration wants BOA to fail.

  14. WMCB says:

    Ahhhh, and now Chris Bowers and the Cheeto kids get into the mix at just the right time! They just blasted an email, per Shadowfax at His44:

    Spare Change,

    Occupy Wall Street is spreading like wildfire. There are now supportive groups for the protests in over 250 communities in the United States and Canada.

    Almost wherever you live, there is an Occupy Wall Street group near you. Many of these groups have already started their own local protests, while the others are planning upcoming events.

    Daily Kos is joining with SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, to help grow this new movement of the 99%. We need to let the 1% know that we will no longer be silent in the face of the economic pain they continue to inflict on everyone else.

    Please, pledge to join an Occupy Wall Street group near you. After you sign, you will be redirected to a comprehensive list of local groups.

    Solidarity is beautiful,
    Chris Bowers
    Campaign Director, Daily Kos

  15. paper doll says:

    I wish it didn’t have Eau de Cologne of astroturf …but it does

  16. votermom says:

    Great post. Tweeted it thusly:

  17. ralphb says:

    Nothings wrong with socialism, if you don’t mind being a robot.

    Occupy your Mama’s basement.

    • WMCB says:

      The irrepressible Vodka Pundit was drinking the other night, and started an #OccupyMyPants hashtag on twitter. Mostly bad drunken jokes, but some were funny.

  18. myiq2xu says:

    I’ve said before that the Tea Party started as GOP astroturf, but the monster broke loose from the lab and went running around the countryside. Like ’em or not, agree with ’em or not, the TP is a grassroots operation.

    If OWS does to the Democrats what the TP has done to the GOP then I’ll support them.

    • votermom says:

      I think I know how what catalyst is needed. It just needs one “Down with Obama” sign and a video camera ….

    • WMCB says:

      They started out protesting something that happened under Bush’s tenure, and that their guys voted for – the bailouts. I think the GOP astroturfers/co-opters envisioned it being all about low taxes.

      They didn’t like it too much when the people started making it also about spending, and accountability, and corruption, and top-down parties, and pork, and limited power, and backroom deals, and transparency, and no subsidies to your pet industries, etc.

      I’ll applaud the OWSers like you if they do similar, but so far I frankly see no signs of it.

      • ralphb says:

        The chat along with the livestream from Austin is funny. I feel like I’m in the ’70s with a chat for the average internet radio show.

        • WMCB says:

          I didn’t do internet until 1990-ish. Ahhhhh, crappy message boards and then…. Prodigy! LOL! I sprang for an 8K modem, and then later a super-fast 14K (FourTEEN!!!!!!), and thought I was the shit. 😀

        • Monster from the Id says:

          I didn’t surf da Intertoobz on any regular basis until August 2004.

          I didn’t own a CD player until 2000.

          If I continue adopting new technology at my normal rate, I’ll probably buy a smartphone around 2020, and a tablet around 2025. 😛

  19. ralphb says:

    They have sign up sheets for people to take their money out of the 6 major banks and put it into local institutions. If they can make it easy for people, that’s kind of nice.

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  21. ralphb says:

    Low class douchnozzle here.

    “Huntsman Hits Palin for ‘Stringing People Along’”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/huntsman-hits-palin-for-stringing-people-along/

  22. votermom says:

    OT funny photoshop

  23. Three Wickets says:

    Okay, this may be getting real. The Chinese in China have now jumped on the OWS bandwagon. Actually the protest in NYC today grew to an impressive size. This will definitely continue.

  24. ralphb says:

    “Obama is a socialist you have no clue what this is about do you please do yourself and everyone else the favor and just end yourself”

    “just like Nixon, the presidents dont give a crap about the 99%”

    • ralphb says:

      “see ppl we are peaceful and freedom loving we want the change that was not instituted when obama was elected now we want the true change”

  25. Three Wickets says:

    Fun animation on the GOP horse race.

  26. Three Wickets says:

    Occupying Wall Street Worked Before—Here’s Why It Won’t Work Now

    It’s been almost exactly a quarter century since the newly formed AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT UP) launched its first demonstration on March 24, 1987, choosing Wall Street as the symbol of drug profiteering and other social evils. Often goaded on by the inspired polemicist and playwright Larry Kramer, ACT UP went on to five years of brilliant political protest, combining street theater with guerrilla research, transforming the way clinical research was done not just on AIDS but across the board. National Institutes of Health AIDS research chief Dr. Anthony Fauci says there are two eras in American clinical trials: before Larry Kramer and after Larry Kramer.

    The protestors now occupying Wall Street inveigh against other wrongs — economic inequality, corrupt government, stultifying loads of student debt. Like ACT UP, they benefit from being at the media center of the United States, New York City. Like ACT UP, they are propelled by a media-savvy strategy of leveraging police efforts to remove them into camera-ready images for the news. If they are half as successful as their predecessors in ACT UP, in five years, America will be transformed. But that’s not likely. Not even with cellphones and Facebook.

    ACT UP in its glory years had two signal characteristics the current movement lacks. Its members were overwhelmingly focused, in that case on the epidemic that was ravaging the gay community. Although they sometimes talked about topics other than AIDS, the main thrust of the movement was always, as they said, drugs into bodies. And they came not at the power centers of the society, but from them. When ACT UP took to Wall Street its members brought with them an effigy of Frank Young, head of the federal Food and Drug Administration — made by the prop shop at the Public Theatre. The morning they arrived there, a copy of The New York Times was delivered to probably 90 percent of the homes of the people they were picketing, complete with an Op-Ed written by Larry Kramer. Harvard graduates and financial analysts did their research. Legendary graphic artists and red diaper babies did their posters. Silence = Death. It is the nature of gay sexual orientation that it falls across lines of class and power. When they finally organized, they were a naturally formidable political force.

    I remember it well.

    • votermom says:

      The article confused me. It said OWS won’t work this time around, but it will work after all? Huh?

      The Occupy protesters carry signs with every imaginable demand — break up the banks, forgive the student debt. It won’t matter if none of this takes place. The only demand that matters is reflected in a sign that makes no demand. It says simply “I’m a person.” In good moral theory, being human exerts its own demands. It is profoundly wrong that we die/they do nothing, whether literally of AIDS or the social death of hopelessness, desperation and inequality. When the moral implications of that are once again at the center of the debate, everything can change.

      • Three Wickets says:

        Think Linda is saying you guys are doing it wrong, come to me for advice because I did Act-Up in the 80s Village, so I’m a pro.

        • ralphb says:

          You won’t get a single message from occupy. There are too many diverse opinions and people involved. No one has a single disease to concentrate on among these folks.

          Frankly, the coherent message is “I’m a person” and no person should be overlooked or thrown away. I fundamentally agree with that. It’s why I am still a Liberal and not a contemporary Conservative.

  27. votermom says:

    Bill Ayers posts “Occupy Wall Street! Collective statement of the protesters…”

    http://billayers.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/occupy-wall-street-collective-statement-of-the-protesters/

    It’s not clear to me if he is claiming credit for it or simply propagating it. Either way, ugh …

    • Three Wickets says:

      Fucking Bill Ayers man. Without him the One and only Koolaid Messiah would not be Potus today, somebody more experienced and capable and deserving would be.

      • Mary says:

        Bill Ayers needs to back off, if his motivation is to help Obama get re-elected.

        Too many memories of the “peaceful demonstrations,” which became violence, at the 1968 convention.

        Buzz off, Ayers.

        • Monster from the Id says:

          I agree with Mary. If Ayers really wants Obummer to be re-elected, Ayers needs to keep a very low profile.

          Though listen to me, talking like what we ordinary citizens want will have anything to do with who wins the Prez election in 2012. If the Malefactors Of Great Wealth want 4 more years of Obummer, that is what we will be given. If the MOGW want a Reptilian this time, we will be given a Reptilian. The system is rigged to a fare-thee-well, else Hillary would be Prez now, and the Chimperor and Darth Cheney never would have been swept into power in late 2000. Selah.

  28. From their FB page – thoughts on astroturf – mostly advice from a former tea partier burned by that
    http://www.feedtheprotest.com/node/315

    • ralphb says:

      That’s some very good advice!

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’ve been part of the tea party since it’s humble beginnings on the local town square. I’m calling bullsh*t on the “former” tea party member giving advice. Besides, there is no membership, derrrrr.

      • 1539days says:

        And which part of the Tea Party movement is astroturf? No matter how much the Koch bothers have to Freedomworks, no one was ever bused in people from their jobs. Unions in the Occupy movement are. When the people who negotiate your pay and benefits want you to show up somewhere, it stops being a grass roots movement and instead becomes a financial motive.

        • Monster from the Id says:

          *snark* Haruhi damn those fiendish unions! *unsnark* 😛

        • DeniseVB says:

          These people came under their own power 🙂 I’m not familiar with “Koch” but if they helped Freedomworks pay for the permits/security/porta potties, this couldn’t have been cheap. (Nor do I agree with all the signs, but you get the drift )

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  30. abbeysbooks says:

    Apparently you have no knowledge of May ’68 in France. No leaders, no planning, the same as Wall Street Occupiers.

    • myiq2xu says:

      How did that work out?

      • No fair. That’s a low blow 🙂

      • WMCB says:

        Don’t bother them with silly establishment questions like “what next?” Tear it down, man!

        Also, I would prefer not to have a Trotskyite, Maoist, anarchist uprising here in the USA, thanks. Glad to know some of them, at least, are copping to the end goals instead of hiding them.

        In May 1968 widespread student riots and strikes broke out in France. The PCF initially supported the general strike but opposed the revolutionary student movement, which was dominated by Trotskyists, Maoists and anarchists, and the so-called “new social movements” (including environmentalists, gay movements, prisoners’ movement – see Michel Foucault, etc.) At the end of May 1968, the PCF sided with de Gaulle, who was threatening the use of the army, and called for the end of the strike.

      • Jadzia says:

        As far as I’ve seen the “soixante-huitards” for the most part turned into a bunch of sanctimonious, condescending yuppies. YMMV.

  31. fif says:

    And excuse me, but how can Obama possibly argue he is a crusader against Wall St. after pocketing millions from the very same, and stacking his cabinet with Wall St. careerists? What a farce.

  32. ralphb says:

    Let me see if I’ve got this right. There is no single leadership of the OWS supporters. They are different groups with potentially different agendas and goals formed in cities all over the country. That means they are an ineffective bunch of boobs who are nothing but astroturf by some “magic pony” group. We think this because these groups used a web site template instead of doing it from scratch? I almost forgot that some union and politicians have claimed to support them but, so far, all I’ve seen is a Fuck Off in response to Move-On.

    There is no THE tea party with no single leader. There are different groups like tea party nation, tea party express, tea party doily or whatever who compete with each other for attention but somehow all seem to have the same agenda which corresponds very closely with Dick Armey and the right of the GOP. But they are very effective and are not astroturf.

    That about it. Are you shitting me?

  33. “These demands will be specific things like reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act or a 1 percent tax on financial transactions or the banning of high-frequency trading.”

    Sounds good to me.

    • Mary says:

      Won’t pass Congress.

      Obama led the Senate & House Democrats with a majority for 2 years, and none of them suggested anything of the sort.

      Not gonna happen.

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