Self-limiting growth potential

If you want to build a movement you claim represents 99% of the people it’s not a good idea to alienate a big chunk of them by waving the Soviet flag.

Conservatives are generally patriotic. Some are hyper-patriotic. While many people on the left are just as patriotic there is a significant group that is not. Their attitude towards the United States ranges from sneering contempt to outright hostility.

Both the left and right have their fringe elements, but the ones on the right tend to look normal while the ones on the left seem to go out of their way to look and act different. You don’t see a lot of piercings, tattoos and nudity at Tea Party rallies.

People can do what they want, it’s a free country. But if you want to attract mainstream voters to your cause you need to appeal to mainstream values.

People might watch a freak show, but most of them don’t want to join it.

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40 Responses to Self-limiting growth potential

  1. votermom says:

    If they wanted more people to join them in Philly, they shoulda waved some “Fire Andy Reid” placards.

  2. Sickening- just damn sickening. The ass that was carrying that flag is hereby invited to go occupy Moscow. See how Putin treats protesters.

  3. People might watch a freak show, but most of them don’t want to join it.

    Speak for yourself.

  4. 1539days says:

    Exactly. Even worse than that, people are telling them not to express their real views. It’s one thing for the Tea Party to advise members to tone down the signage and the costumes, that’s external stuff the media hooks on to. But they’re creating a meme that this is just an equal gathering of 99% lowest incomes. Makes you wonder what Micheal Moore was doing there.

  5. DandyTiger says:

    Um, there isn’t a soviet union any more. I don’t have the heart to break it to those people though.

  6. HELENK says:

    As I commented the other day on this
    I grew up in Philadelphia.
    I took my kids to the Historic area to learn where the freedom of this country was born.
    to this ass who flew the communist flag in front of that building
    This is disrespect for our country
    Has he ever talked to someone who gave up everything to escape communism? Does he even have an idea of just how bad it is?

    • No Helen- they have no idea whatsoever. Asshats. What the hell is WRONG with these people?
      If they think communism is so great or that the USSR was all lollipops and roses- then they can just damn well go live in N Korea or Cuba or China. See how free their speech is in one of those countries, See how much protesting they are allowed.

    • HELENK says:

      I have talked to people that lived through this. They would think that idiot was as stupid as they come

    • WMCB says:

      Our best friends are Polish. He grew up there before the wall fell, and moved here as an adult. They keep asking us, “Are some Americans fucking crazy??? ”

      Yes, root out the corruption, enforce the laws, stop the cronyism. But this bullshit of “let’s all tear down capitalism and replace it with collectivism!” is at best naive and at worst dangerous.

      In the word of the Beatles: COUNT ME OUT.

    • dorkle says:

      I can certainly relate.

      My dad was a soldier during the Vietnam War for the South and my mom was a South Vietnamese resistance fighter. They both fought in the war and when the war was lost and the Americans abandoned the South, my parents still remained in Vietnam for a few years afterwards.

      At one point, they were both in brainwashing camps. My mom, who was pregnant with my oldest brother at the time, managed to escape when they were transferring her to a medical facility because she was having pains related to her pregnancy. My dad escaped, too. One of the female cooks in the camp was a childhood friend of my dad and she helped him get out.

      Immediately after reuniting my parents made arrangements to leave Vietnam and gave everything they had to make sure it happened.

      The Americans that complain about Democracy or allude to overthrowing it in favor of something else, have no idea what political dissidents or refugees like my parents suffered. The fact that they are even allowed to protest is a gift, but to come out with this kind of rubbish (carrying a communist flag) is such a great insult.

      In Vietnam, you would never hear from these people again. It would not be on the news. They wouldn’t make a dent.

  7. dorkle says:

    Dude, this is getting kind of tiring.

    I live in SoCal and I have some people at university talking about pulling the same BS. People just aren’t looking at the big picture or even asking questions. One would think that after ’08, there would be more caution into such movements but, no.

    Similar to back then, people are buying into a manufactured movement—knowingly or unaware—that a big machine is behind the scenes, taking advantage of their visceral emotions.

    As I said previously, when there is evidence they find *every* reason in the universe to dismiss them. They can find an answer for all the red flags that are raised.

    Has anyone ever seen “Jesus Camp”? A lot of people criticize and mock the religious people in the film. Well, I hate to break it people but this OWS is the same shit. There are people talking about how it’s “their moment” or “our time” or “our generation’s greatest fight”.

    It is unnerving to say the least. Further, there is no doubt for me that this won’t go away. It’s probably something that is gonna be pushed around well into next year. I mean, they already have the media on their side pushing them all as “poor youths” fighting for their futures.

    Give me a fucking break.

    • 1539days says:

      Look at the gay guy from Jesus camp. He kept talking about the ills of homosexuality. There’s a certain rotund filmmaker who spends his time trashing the rich, while he makes lots of money from production deals.

  8. WMCB says:

    I find it offensive and disgusting. I have no problem with free speech or free assembly. I don’t care if the communists, the KKK, or the Nazis want to march. Have at it.

    But I would not ever march beside them, and give them legitimacy. EVER. And guess what? The next time the entire Left gets painted as all being communists, this video will support that. Not because the flag is there, but because no one else in the group seems to have any problem at all with it being there..

    If you don’t object, then don’t whine when you get associated with it.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Our local teaps really discourage anti-Obama signs to keep the message focused on Congress and fiscal policy. Of course the media took a photo of the one nut job birther sign. And a Larouche sign. (Obamahitler). Otherwise, our 99% are pretty normal 😉

    I did a couple of large (100k +) anti-war marches during Bush too. Family friendly, lasted a few hours, then home or off to visit the DC and NYC attractions. And we know what the media captured too.

    I’m giving the OWS kids a break. The media and the conservative sites WILL capture the worse and talk to the worst. Guy Defecating on Police Car has gone international and I assure you, he probably isn’t even part of the movement (pun intended). But 3+ weeks is really too long for not having a specific message, or permits, geesh.

    Yes a plan is good. A grassroots plan is even better. Funny too, the media hasn’t mentioned OWS is a “mostly white crowd”. That should make them raaaaacists too 😉

    • Monster from the Id says:

      If this Newby idiot thinks there’s any real danger of this country ever going Communist, he needs to take his Ritalin. 🙄

  10. Three Wickets says:

    Because what says 99% like poor Kanye West.

  11. HELENK says:

    National Park Service offers four-month extension to the Occupy DC protest to remain at Freedom Plaza; permit was to expire today – NBC

  12. HELENK says:

    bankruptcy on rise. Large corporations may file .
    So then what , jobs lost, income lost, tax revenue lost
    What was gained?

  13. Mary says:

    Found at Memeorandum (originally from Powerline):

    A reader found an ad on Cragislist titled “FIGHT TO HOLD WALL STREET ACCOUNTABLE NOW! MAKE A DIFFERENCE! GET PAID!”

    The ad is fro Working Families Party (definitely pro-Obama) looking to hire protesters for Wall Street occupation and offering $350-$650 a week.

    Pathetic, eh?

  14. myiq2xu says:

    There is an urban legend about Vietnam vets coming home and getting spit on and called “baby-killers” by hippies.

    Some group tried to document a single incident of that happening but couldn’t. It’s an urban legend. But the anti-war protesters had developed such a bad reputation that people had no problem believing it.

    There are a lot of people in this country that will never forgive or forget Jane Fonda going to North Vietnam during the war. They will always call her “Hanoi Jane.”

    On the morning of 9/11 Bill Ayers was featured in a NYT interview where he said he wasn’t sorry for what he had done.

    The reporter quoted him as saying “I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough”, and, when asked if he would “do it all again,” as saying “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

    Accompanying the interview was a new picture of Ayers standing on a US flag. In his memoir Ayers bragged that he was “Guilty as sin, free as a bird.”

    • Mary says:

      Free as a bird cuz he had a rich capitalistic politically connected Daddy. F’g asshat. Not a day in jail.

      His regular-people middle class buddies who went to the ’68 convention thinking the demonstrations would be peaceful—-who didn’t know that Ayers and a few selected friends fully intended to start trouble there—-those same middle class guys spent years and years in prison, cuz they didn’t have rich capitalistic politically connected Daddies.

      Ayers is pond scum just for that. F’g asshat.

      • Mary says:

        Not to mention that his deceitful, spoiled rich boy behavior at that convention, and what it sparked, helped get Richard Nixon elected. F’g asshat.


      • HELENK says:

        can you imagine that POS teaching your kids in college. No he was not some guy in the neighborhood.
        He was a guy that did not give a damn about collateral damage and if people got killed TOO BAD, just so it wasn’t him. Every kid in his class could have been killed and he would not give a damn.
        Backtrack’s BFF. that should have told the American people a lot, but it was glossed over and anyone who asked about it was ridiculed

      • WMCB says:

        Idiots like the ones carrying that flag always dream that they will be the ones to end up on the Politburo (oops, I mean “General Assembly”), making the world a better place.

        They won’t. It’s crazy douchebags like Ayers with rich daddy connections who always end up on the Politburo. Your flag-waving ass can go dig potatoes once you’re done being useful to the cause.

        Fucking morons.

        • Mary says:

          True story.

          These college kids at the OWS in NY & DC will not end up in the Politburo. They don’t even get that.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Then there’s the modern day version, like Alex Baldwin who criticized the NYPD for arresting the OWS kids and supporting their protest. Yet being paid a million dollars for a Capitol One commercial (I believe the #1 bank stock on Wall Street). So confusing 😛

  15. angienc says:

    Does this asshat know there is no more Soviet Union?

  16. HELENK says:

    this story is not being reported in the USA but is all over Japan.
    Backtrack wanted to apologize for Truman dropping the bomb that ended WW2

  17. HELENK says:

    maybe this movie should be screened at the ows protests
    A Face in the Crowd

  18. Three Wickets says:

    @neilhimself: Fascinating reading: the Twitter conversation between @Boston_Police and @Occupy_Boston. Hope the night ends peacefully for both of them.

    Search both handles together if anyone’s interested in that stream.

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