Poll Twinkles


 

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If you missed the Time poll today that the left is buzzing about, here you go. Fully 54 percent are at least somewhat favorably disposed to the protests on Wall Street versus just 27 percent who say the same about the tea-party movement. Philip Klein has a nice analysis of how Time loaded the phrasing of the question to get their desired result, but there’s more to the numbers than that. For one thing, there’s age. People have had two years to observe the tea party, warts and all, versus a month for OWS. As time goes on — starting tomorrow, maybe — their warts will come out too. Beyond that, OWS benefits tremendously by not having a concrete agenda. Much like their friend in the White House, they’re essentially a blank screen onto which you can project your fondest dreams. Are you one of the 99.99 percent of Americans who prefers the middle class to the rich? Well, good news: So does OWS. Do you happen to agree with literally everyone else in the country that America needs more jobs? OWS does too! How about those bank bailouts? Does it kinda sorta stick in your craw that we had to give banks lots of taxpayer money to keep the financial sector afloat? It sticks in OWS’s craw too. They’re so vague on particulars, in fact, that lately I’ve started to see posts online heralding the movement as some sort of cutting-edge Internet-age populist experiment which is “less about victory than sustainability. It is not about one-pointedness, but inclusion and groping toward consensus.” In other words, it’s not supposed to accomplish something, at least not right away. For now it’s just supposed to be, man.


Philip Klein:

First, here’s the question on Occupy Wall St.:

Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

This states the views of the Occupy Wall St. crowd in as sympathetic a way as possible — even most conservatives and libertarians opposed the Wall St. bailout and the type of crony capitalism that comes with mixing money and politics. This is not the controversial aspect of Occupy Wall Street.

Yet here’s how the Tea Party question is phrased:

Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS YOUR OPINION OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEA PARTY TO HAVE AN OPINION?


But they’re spreading like wildfire, right?

Maybe. Maybe not.

If OWS averaged 1000 people at every protest site that’s less than 100,000 people. Those “fringe” Tea Partiers did better than that at one rally.


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24 Responses to Poll Twinkles

  1. myiq2xu says:

    I’m surprised they didn’t add “racist” into the Tea Party question.

  2. HELENK says:

    Police tell occupiers they must remove their belongings by midnight tonight. Many plan on resisting. http://bit.ly/pIAlKx

    NY
    San Diego
    Boston

    should be an interesting weekend.
    Do you think the cities will make up some of the economic shortfalls with the fines?

  3. angienc says:

    What’s the hand single for “I have to go potty.”

    (I got that from the link HelenK posted a few threads below).

  4. angienc says:

    Oh, Jeez, I hate to link to the National Review, but it is short & a must read:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/279946/eat-rich-patrick-brennan

    This specific quote:

    We don’t know where it comes from, it just arrives and we eat it.

    Makes my point as to everything that is wrong with the people in this moment (and this generation in general) and why they will never have my support.

  5. yttik says:

    I’m extremely skeptical of the OWS protests, but I would have answered that poll question favorably. All I would have heard was this part: “POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.” In fact, those are the exact same complaints that sent me to check out a local tea party. The only difference being the tea parties view “The Rich” as our wealthy congresscritters.

    This is one reason I don’t buy into class warfare. On the Left people like George Soros, Bill Gates, Steve jobs, Nancy Pelosi, President Obama, they’re all viewed as working class schmucks just like us. The right has their own biases, they love the rich…except for Dem congresscritters, people like Al Gore, Rev Sharpton, Michael Moore, anyone connected to Hollywood, etc.

    • Three Wickets says:

      Thx Helen. I’m sure some of that is true. Extremist Islamic groups in Indonesia burned Chinese homes, beheaded Chinese people, medieval stuff but those riots took place just a decade and half ago. I’m sure the vast majority of OWS protesters have no clue about such politics. But it’s naive to think there aren’t more hateful and malignant elements at the fringes, or to think some of these sentiments aren’t shared by more than just the fringe.

  6. DandyTiger says:

    That poll seems utterly meaningless. First OWS has no goals or policy opinions, just a vague sentiment of they’d like things to be more fair. So first, of course everyone likes that idea. Duh. Second, the questions were lopsided. What’s really remarkable is that they only got 54% from that question.

  7. mothy67 says:

    In Pittsburgh they are planning on occupying a small park owned by Mellon Bank. Maybe it’s a ruse as they’ve posted the time of the occupation and it abuts their building. All they have to do is close it to the public.

    • DandyTiger says:

      Well, at least doing it on a bank property makes some sense. As long as getting arrested is part of the plan and they’re ready for that.

  8. HELENK says:

    someone earlier said they were not really familiar with the fast and furious story.
    this link has very good info about it.

    http://waronguns.blogspot.com/

  9. HELENK says:

    I do not know how to bring the picture over.
    occupy sesame street

    http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-sesame-street.html

  10. WMCB says:

    Interesting. Andrew Breitbart was on FOX Business channel claiming that he has hundreds of emails from various leftist groups coordinating, prior to the “spontaneous” protests. He says it was a Google group they were all a part of, similar to journolisters, and he has all the documentation of them conversing, planning, and talking about real violent unrest and crashing the markets as their goal. He says he’ll start releasing it soon.

    If so, this will get very interesting.

  11. WMCB says:

    I’ve been watching the OccupyDenver livestream. They’re an incoherent mob. It’s really sad.

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/standupdenver

  12. angienc says:

    BREAKING NEWS!

    I’m watching Fox (I know) and one of Hannity’s guests said that the parent company that owns the company that owns the NYC park got a loan guarantee from the EPA (the same program that Solyndra is involved in).

    Things that make you go “hmmm.”

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