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Gee, this is what, the 4th or 5th video that pops up with anti-semitic crap from OWS?
WTH. I wonder if Obama has decided to run on an anti-semitism platform next year. That’ll probably make Journo-listers and J Street happy. Idiots.
This is the 4th video I’ve seen so far with open anti-semitism at OWS.
Well, that clears things up. 🙄
Re: the video in the OP: which of those wishes you guys disagree with?
None of them. Of course, I don’t usually disagree with the spokesmen in a republican groups’s ad, either, when they tell me they are in favor of the american dream and families and puppies.
The whole point of doing an ad is to fill it with nice people saying generalized things that pretty much no one disagrees with. .
“Great minds have purposes; others have wishes.”
Good night, everyone.
All of them.
We like war, but hate freedom and prosperity. We want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
We hate mom and apple pie too.
Is that what you wanted to hear?
Damn. What did my mom do?
It’s not just your mom. Hating moms is the American way. Just check out the memoir section at your local bookstore some time.
I’ll tell you if you tell me what it is you agree with in the video WMCB posted in the first post in this thread.
“I want to see more serious political conversation”
Try initiating them instead of squatting in a park with people who agree.
“I want corporations out of the government.”
Since corporations aren’t part of the government, I assume he means their influence. He probably still wants their tax money.
“I want peace rather than militarization.”
Most of us want peace. I don’t want to disband the military.
“I want the wealthiest to be taxed more and pay for education.”
You can tax the rich more and you can spend more on education, but the money will actually come from deficit spending.
“I want economic justice.”
I want a pony. That doesn’t even make sense. Next.
“I want to speak my voice without jeopardizing my job.”
That depends on your job and what you say.
“I want greater regulation of the banks and the markets.” Then you’d better get rid of Dodd and Frank, because they write a lot of crony shit into their regulation.
“I want my kids to have a job and health care.”
Should the government supply both?
“I want true democracy for the 99% of us who don’t have it anymore.”
What’s true democracy? Crowd source voting?
I have to say this is quite a load. Every one of these things can be affected by voting. The Tea Party did it by voting in primaries and general elections. About 6 of these demands are Democratic issues members have failed to deliver. They’ll never get them if they keep voting for the party-assigned primary choice.
You know why the Tea Party was so powerful? The Republicans had to listen to them. They were on the outs. They lost the White House and they basically had 1-2 votes above a filibuster. They even lost that for a while. If Democrats want the party to listen to them, vote their asses out!
Thank you. When the fuck are people going to learn/understand that the First Amendment applies to the GOVERNMENT not private persons/entities? I mean, seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT? I can tell you to STFU all I want & it isn’t a violation of free speech because I’m NOT the government.
As to the rest of your post — LMFAO! Good job.
“I want to speak my voice without jeopardizing my job.”
If you’re worried about your job, take all that junk out of your face. You look like you fell in a tackle box.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about that one, Myiq.
“If Democrats want the party to listen to them, vote their asses out!”
Amazes me how this total grassroots movement is able to put together a commercial(those are used to SELL something, right?), co-ordinate a world wide day of occupation, feed their masses in numerous cities, set up media centers and fortuitously stumble upon a privately owned park where the mayor’s girlfriend sits on the board when they could not protest at their chosen locale, Astounding that they do this without anyone behind them and without a clarified objective. Every major broke city in the country is feeling the pain of this farce. Mostly crickets from obama. Why don’t the little twinkies occupy his golf course! how can the leader of the country have so little to say when there is the potential for so much damage.
And how can they be so capable of so much off the cuff yet are unable to leave a bathroom the way they found it,
How long did it take for a Tea Party commercial?
Not sure, best I could come up with that it took between 2 and 3 hours to dump all of the tea into the Boston Harbor.
Not exactly a cheerleader for them either but at least they were more specific and weren’t selling unicorns. Who doesn’t want all of those things? Platitudes.
Yes. Also the owner of that park was the recipient of some big fat “green” dollars from Obama just prior to the protests. Hmmmm.
The huge email dump by Breitbart (being cloudsourced now) is already yielding some interesting facts.
Like the whole “stacked assembly” thing was not some organic idea, but was a planned structure by professional activists. Like the organizers commenting to each other how many hard-core activists and leaders there actually were behind the scenes, which is why this thing was going to be great. Like actual concerted efforts to get some black faces in there for photo ops. Like sending out instructions to push people of color and women to the front in any clashes with police.
Oh, those emails are going to be a treasure trove.
It’s a commercial. So what are they advertising? What product are they “selling”?
Shouldn’t they be demanding these things from the politicians? Who do they want to supply these demands? Who is the commercial aimed at?
If the commercial is meant to garner support from the public, what do they want the public to do? Do they want a general nationwide strike? Again, what do they want the public to do?
Shouldn’t they be demonstrating in front of government buildings?
None of it makes sense. What concrete actions and goals do they have?
It’s all a vague mishmash.
I liked this tweet today from a guy who actually works on Wall Street.
@EpicureanDeal: Yes. Let’s stop fellating ourselves over myths and abstractions and get down to actual, brass tacks reform. #OWS
Why does this pathetic piece of puffery not include an Asian or a Hispanic? (4.8+16.3)% of 99 is 20.89. I cry fowl on this depiction of the 99.
The Hispanics at the protests were apparently paid to be there.
Ads on craigslist everyday for this shite. Lots more than Hispanics being paid to twinkle down. My point was that in the commercial for this squalid version of Utopia shouldn’t the 99 be represented fairly. Seems to me that these are of the ilk that brow beat NBC because none of the “Friends” were black.
Poor people don’t camp out. It’s too much like being homeless.
You gotta be doing pretty good to think camping out is cool.
One of the reasons I hate camping.
The guy in the commercial saying “I want economic justice” looks something like Dale Rathke, brother of Wade Rathke. Certainly would be ironic. Wade Rathke was an ACORN and SEIU founder. He was run out of ACORN and the U.S. around 2007/08 after covering for the fact that brother Dale embezzled $1 million from ACORN. Wade took ACORN international, and has been spreading dissent globally. Wade Rathke was/is also on the board of the Tides Center/Tides Foundation, funded by Soros. Would not be surprising at all if both Rathke boys are part of the organizations behind the OWS movement and tomorrow’s global Day of Rage demonstrations.
We’re in this for the long haul. There are no “solutions” that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It’s in those moments that we have to push the envelop [sic], pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize [sic], but maintain momentum. And when that’s the new “normal” then we go farther. That’s how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game.
– Email in “Occupy” archive, “Re: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party Movement?”; Wednesday, October 12, 2011
Oh, yeah, there are no determined activists behind the OWS movement. It’s all just everyday citizens who happened to come together……
What’s their goal?
I’ve never in my 59 years seen a leftist protest where the POTUS wasn’t critized or focussed on. That anti-militarism guy in the commercial, shouldn’t he be protesting in front of the WH? Who does he think is launching the drones, continuing the wars and even starting new ones?
There was a time when the anti-war left was not at all reluctant to denounce a Dem POTUS. Remember “Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today?”
So why are they letting this Prez off the hook?
Have they forgotten or are they unaware that Obama has raked in more Wall St. money than anyone? Shouldn’t they be holding him accountable?
And if not, why not? That’s the million dollar question. Why are they not denouncing the crony capitalist and Wall St. puppet who’s sitting in the WH? That’s very fishy.
Simple. When a Democrat does wrong, they’re non-political. They just use every liberal dog whistle in their speeches and ads.
“I want to be able to speak my voice without jeopardizing my job”
This one I disagree with. You go to work to do the job you are being paid to do. And that is a two way street.
I have no idea what that guy even means by that, anyway. Did he get fired over something he said that his employer felt reflected badly on the company? Does he want paid time off to go protest?
What’s his complaint? One is guaranteed free speech. One is not guaranteed that there are no social or other consequences for anything you want to say. I’m free to say whatever I want. I’m not free to demand that others have no negative reaction to what I say.
Is that a he?
More to the point: Has he even had a job in the first place?
And, btw, one is not guaranteed free speech. One is guaranteed that the GOVERNMENT (not a private employer) will not impose undue restrictions on your speech. Big difference.
There are lots of restrictions on free speech in the work place. She wants to be able to speak her mind but bet it wouldn’t be okay if co-workers said sexually derogatory things to her.
Is that a girl? I thought it was a young boy. But yeah, exactly.
She actually said “I want to be able to speak my voice,” whatever the hell that means. I can’t imagine that’s much of a problem at whatever job lets her have multiple face piercings.
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I don’t want to be accused of hippie punching or anything, but we should play a game of guess the gender of the OWSer in the commercial.
I think she is the only one that might be obscure because of the attire. Her earrings and the cut and color of the shirt tell me female. Also have you ever seen a boy with facial piercings look that clean?
Speaking of which how did they manage to find that many clean, sober coherent people in that swamp?
Those not organizing this sure are good.
I think someone was confused about the “peace not militarization” woman as well.
I wonder if any of those doing the hand jive are getting unemployment? I thought you had to be actively be searching for gainful employment in a job that would pay you at least a certain percentage of your former wages? have they changed that?
I think it was actually a provision of the Stimulus that a state couldn’t get money unless they relaxed the restrictions on finding employment.
At least in New York, you have to come in every few weeks and show you’ve applied for jobs.
No they haven’t. But you have to be employed in the first place and lose your job through no fault of your own (i.e., you can’t just not show up for work) to be eligible for unemployment. I’d guess about 99% of those out there haven’t ever had a job in the first place.
OT – Cain speech at a teaparty in TN. He’s got the everyday guy, common sense charm thing going strong. He has the easy sense of humor.
Policy agreement or disagreement aside, he will broadly appeal to a hell of a lot of people if he has enough money to compete. He reminds me of my granddad.
Rove was on Greta saying that Cain had been gifted a lead and he was wasting it by not hitting the early states hard. Me thinks someone at FOX needs to check the expiration date on rove and toe sucker as i think they have curdled. Cain may not have done a lot of pounding the pavement but I can think of a little lady with a big following in that and other states that if she endorses Herman look out. Game on.
Can you imagine the uproar if someone had said obama was gifted anything?
Rove is really wearing out his welcome at Fox. Dick Morris, however, will stay as long as he can tell anecdotes about Clinton confiding in him about Monica Lewinsky.
Herman Cain is unpolished and genuine. What I like about him is that he’s not afraid to say that he doesn’t know, and not afraid to seek answers.
Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire
“This will probably get me in trouble, but as my grandfather would say, ‘I does not care.'”
— Herman Cain, quoted by ABC News, when asked which of his rivals attacks bothered him most.
I can’t wait to see the results.
Obama plans to turn anti-Wall Street anger on Mitt Romney, Republicans
I just cannot believe that people are buying any of this. I mean really Nothing annoys me more except for maybe kathy griffins voice, than someone trying to manipulate me let alone my whole fucking country,(my first online profanity)
(my first online profanity)
Check out the newest post.
Woohoo! It’s like a rite of passage or something! You are so sweet, and we are such a bad influence. 😀
Check out this article about a OWS National Assembly that is in the making: http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-has-plans-for-a-coordinated-national-gathering-2011-10.html
It’s written by Linnette Lopez and is quite a stunning piece of propaganda. I’ll tell you who Linette Lopez is in the next comment, because it will require another link.
Yeah, that plan is being fellated all over by the occupiers. What’s hilarious to me is that I read it, and it STILL gives you no idea what they want to see happen.
It’s all a big wankfest over their new process, and their new National Assembly that will vote for 435 representatives, which will eventually, at some future point, presumably get around to telling us all WHAT THEY WANT. That’s it. That’s their big thrill, their most-awesome-demonstration-of-democracy-evah. A plan to elect a bunch of people with no plans, no platform, and no concrete solutions to anything at all.
But lookit us! Look at the beautiful PROCESS we are making to demand action! For the PEOPLE!!! !!!!!ELEVENTY!!!!!
(Um…what action, specifically?)
STFU! We’ll get to that!
(Um…When? ‘Cause you know, I kind of like to know what you are for and against before I decide to support/oppose you, or vote for you to represent me in some way in some assembly…)
That’s old politics! We are not interested in politics! We are the shiny newness of justice and truth and stuff!!
This whole thing is so masturbatory that it’s just hilarious. It’s beyond meta.
Henry Blodget is such a dweeb. Now that he can’t do any more research with Andy Sullivan into Sarah Palin’s womb, he’s going to damn well become a player with OWS.
Who is Linette Lopez? While she currently writes for Business Insider, her last two jobs were for Democratic State Senator Jeff Klein and…drumrolll…the mayor. She also has experience in event planning and marketing.
And graduated from Columbia University School of Journolism. That’s not a typo. 😉
And more info. Business Insider is a front for Gawker.
Oooooh, the Venereal Nick Denton! He’s one of the bitchy queens who like to police conservative feminists, and women in general. Worse than Andy Sullivan, IMO.
The list is long, but I am making one and checking it twice daily. 🙂
I’m not surprised. OWS is a dudebro production, with some helpful handmaidens. Some of their emails have advised pushing people of color and women to the front if there are clashes with police.
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