What do you see?


I see protesters walking in the street and refusing to get on the sidewalk when told to by the police. I see them get arrested.

I see a lot of people with a knee-jerk reaction that the cops are always wrong. I’ve written at least a dozen posts over the years condemning the excessive use of force by cops. My first post on OWS was such a post.

If the NYPD was the bunch of goons and thugs some people keep trying to portray them as, they would have cleared out Zuccotti Park weeks ago. They wouldn’t even need nightsticks. All it would take is a couple tear gas grenades set off upwind.

I have no problem with people protesting. But when did it become progressive dogma that you HAVE to break the law when you protest?

Bob Somerby:

The photograph shows a young man at Occupy Wall Street tackling a policeman. This is not in any way the norm, Elliott says—and we assume that he’s right. Elliott goes into some detail about the protestors’ good intentions. That said, does any of this sound familiar?

ELLIOTT (10/17/11): “When you have such a grassroots movement, those people are going to come,” said Ted Actie, one of the early participants in Occupy, when I asked him about the incident. “You can’t do anything about it. We can tell the media that’s not Occupy Wall Street. 99 percent of it is non-violent.”

This sort of thing was said, again and again, during various tea party protests.

We agree with what Actie says. As you may recall, several people in our tribe weren’t quite buying it then.


Funny, but I don’t remember any violence at Tea Party rallies.

Speaking of which:

This exercise is meant, in part, to provide a comparison to the crowds that gathered for the first widespread Tea Party protests on April 15, 2009, for which I adopted a similar approach and came up with an estimate of at least 300,000 protesters across the country.

Saturday’s Occupy protests were probably smaller than that. Over all, I was able to find estimates of crowd sizes in about 150 American cities, ranging from the thousands of the protesters that turned out in New York to the roughly 10 who turned out in Juneau, Alaska — or the one protester who represented the movement in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

Nevertheless, based on the median estimates for the cities, I arrived at an overall total of about 70,000 protesters who were documented as having been active on Saturday throughout the United States.


According to my calculations there were over four times as many Tea Baggers as Fleabaggers. There are over 300,000,000 people in this country. 99% of 300,000,000 is 297,000,000, not 70,000.

Just sayin’


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24 Responses to What do you see?

  1. crawdad says:

    You’re using Beckistani math again, aren’t you?

    • elliesmom says:

      The lady that had her “$5500 dollar Mac laptop” stolen got fleeced twice.Top of the line is selling for $2500. I wonder where she spent her student loan money.

      • TorchWood says:

        $500 ipod nano? Steve (gods rest his soul) probably made a killing on that idiot..

      • votermom says:

        To give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe she’s including the value of the HD contents. If she doesn’t have backups, they could cost quite a bit to replace.

        • TorchWood says:

          Meh, she should be happy. I mean, like, it was “liberated”.

        • elliesmom says:

          Any software that she had could be downloaded on a new machine w/o costing her anything whether she has hard copies or paid for downloads, and if she has accumulated $3000 worth of personal work files w/o backing them up, then she doesn’t understand the nature of computers. It’s not whether your hard drive will fail, it’s when. It’s like learning to hit “Control S” at the end of every paragraph. Because someday you will lose your work. You can count on it.

        • votermom says:

          elliesmom, this is obviously all the govt’s Wall Street’s fault for not providing free automatic backups of everything and free laptop insurance.

  2. votermom says:

    The cops are being quite restrained, imo. But then I judge against cops in the old country … oooh boy. No one messes with them.

  3. Mary says:

    Ya know, myiq, you’re setting yourself up to be called “racist” by those who don’t want to hear your facts re the real OWS numbers.

    Melissa Harris Perry said that ” pointing out that only 53% pay federal taxes is RACISM.”

    Can anyone explain how she got to that conclusion? Logically, I mean. 🙂

  4. HELENK says:

    In Chicago the teachers union takes names of volunteers who want to be arrested

    http://biggovernment.com/kolson/2011/10/18/occupy-arrest-scam-unmasked/

  5. Mary says:

    Just watched the tape.

    Good Lord, anyone can see the cops asked them to stay on the sidewalk, but several demonstrators willfully ignored that, and got up in the cops’ faces.

    This is ridiculous. Come on, Bloomberg, get off your politically correct ass and stop this crap.

  6. HELENK says:

    When is bloomberg going to be declared mentally incompetent?

  7. WMCB says:

    Basically from what I am seeing in the left blogosphere, ANY action by the police toward enforcing the law, other than standing back with arms crossed and letting the protestors do whatever the fuck they want, is “brutality” and “out of line”. They are full of shit.

    I yell as loudly as anyone when actual police overstep or brutality occurs, but this business of demonizing and baiting them just so you can complain afterwards is bullshit.

    I’m glad I’m not the NYPD chief, because I’d have had the fucking firehoses and tear gas out by now when they started jumping the barricades and deliberately getting in the face of the police. The media isn’t reporting it, but you do realize that several cops have already been to the hospital over this crap, one with head injuries?

    No, it is not YOUR STREET, as you so love to chant. It belongs to all the citizens of NY, many of whom you are selfishly preventing from using it, or going about their lives. You are costing the taxpayers millions. And behaving like spoiled petulant adolescents.

  8. WMCB says:

    And BTW, the comments on the youtube video are just sickening. We have a country full of angry young dudebros who want to smash it all to pieces and then have “the people” (i.e. them and their thug compatriots) rule the world in some little Lord of the Flies commu/anarchist fantasy.

    You know why I like a Republic and the rule of constitutional law rather than mob majority rule aka direct democracy – that MANY of the left are now calling for? Shit like that is why. I have no illusions about the ability to live in peace harmony and love of most of the human race, or any confidence in what a majority will do once they decide that there are no rules except “Do enough of us want it?”.

    If believing with all my heart and brain in the wisdom and balance and efficacy of our Constitution, and the protections of our form of govt, now makes me a winger ratfucker and teapartier, then think whatever you want. But it is what I have ALWAYS believed, and what Liberals have traditionally believed.

    The fact that a large portion of the left have seemingly decided that unless you want to be a batshit crazy revolutionary, or at least support them, then you aren’t “on the side of the people” is their delusion, not mine.

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