Karl Marx Would Be Spinning in His Expensive Grave

Socialism works great if people accept the basic premise that they can only have what they need and they need to work as much as they can. Then again, the protests on Wall Street are not socialist. They have essentially been ceded land by the NYC government, are watched over by police and get good grub and bathroom access without paying or working for any of it. In fact, they are more like feudal lords. The people contributing to the cause are working for that money and getting nothing of value in return. As undeserved as their income may be, the top 1% are doing some sort of work.

The Occupy wherever follows what I call the faith healer model. Being skeptical of a faith healer shows a lack of faith. If you don’t believe in it, people don’t get healed. Your lack of belief is the problem, not the lack of healing ability. So it goes with the communal government of the Occupiers. Expecting demands and mission statements is your attempt to fit their movement into your hierarchical paradigm. In fact, their lack of any intellectual product is a sign of how much thought is being put into the collective consciousness. Your small mind just thinks they’re sitting around bullshitting in an urban campground.

Human beings are capable of nobility. I haven’t given up on New York City because of the way they came together on September 11. We are capable of great empathy, but the reality is that extraordinary circumstances can only be that way for a limited amount of time. The majority of the year, we are self-interested. We have to be as an aspect of survival. The ones who are interested in their immediate gratification at the expense of others are the problem, and they occur frequently in Zucotti park.

People get all they can eat of the pretty fancy meals served right there in the park. Instead of stealing food, someone stole the food money. Property goes missing. Guys are using tents to pick up women. Some criminals are sexually assaulting women just because they’re trying to sleep there. The lack of a coherent belief system has attracted bigots and conspiracy theorists. Plus, I’m sure 99% of that group isn’t currently doing any kind of work, even looking for a proper bathroom in some cases. From each according to their amenability and to each according to their greed may be the more appropriate mantra.

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24 Responses to Karl Marx Would Be Spinning in His Expensive Grave

  1. votermom says:

    I think the OWSers are a bit like the Children’s Crusade at this point.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Or the mice who wanted to bell the cat.

      • votermom says:

        I like the Children’s Crusade analogy because of this:

        He had been, he said, one of the young priests who had accompanied Stephen to Marseilles and had embarked with them on the ships provided by the merchants. A few days out they had run into bad weather, and two of the ships were wrecked on the island of San Pietro, off the south-west corner of Sardinia, and all the passengers were drowned. The five ships that survived the storm found themselves soon afterwards surrounded by a Saracen squadron from Africa; and the passengers learned that they had been brought there by arrangement, to be sold into captivity.

        The OWSers are being supported by the same people who are going to sell them out.

        • myiq2xu says:

          But . . but . . . that wasn’t supposed to happen!

        • Catfish says:

          The OWSers are being supported by the same people who are going to sell them out.

          Hey, a third party challenge at the time where one stands the best chance of succeeding in all of living memory and far beyond? That’s inside-the-box thinking!

  2. myiq2xu says:

    Both Socialism and Libertarianism sound great in theory but fail miserably in practice.

    What works best is regulated free-market capitalism with social safety nets. It’s not perfect and has lots of flaws, but it works better than anything else that’s ever been tried.

    But the key is the regulation – it has to be there to protect against abuse, but cannot be allowed to protect the abusers.

    When our regulatory system was working we didn’t have booms and busts like we did in the late 19th century.

    • 1539days says:

      Ironically, we’d be better off if government regulated only up to its ability to do it well and only took in the revenue it needed to do so.

      • WMCB says:

        We keep getting loads of new “regulation” that only hurts and suffocates the non-politically connected businesses, and does jack squat to reign in fraud and abuse.

        Both parties are right about regulation. When conservatives talk about the pages and pages of nitpicking insanity that is killing business and jobs, they are correct. When the left talks about there being no rules with TEETH to keep major corporations and financial houses from running roughshod over the entire economy, they are right.

        Govt regulation has turned into a cozy patronage system, too often punishing those who did NOTHING wrong, while giving “outs” to favored firms. It doesn’t regulate much, while still having tons and tons of “regulations.” Just the cost of running all our regulatory agencies is now over 50 billion a year. That’s fucking insane. It creates entrenched bureaucracies that are then incentivized to regulate some more useless crap, to justify their continued budgets and hiring. None of that tends to be focused on the actual problems, or the need for clear, simple, straightforward law that applies to all and has a true penalty for breaking it.

        Just enforcing our anti-trust laws and applying them to banking would solve a big chunk of the problem. But no one talks about that – just hundreds of pages of piddly fees and record-keeping requirements and reports to be filed (to the useless bureaucracy) more often and more paperwork to fill out and overseers to hire. Some SMALL community banks who had nothing to do with the crisis are going to shut their doors over the Dodd-Frank bill, because they have neither the paper-pushing manpower nor the 70 lawyers on retainer to deal with it all.

        The big banks will be just fine under Dodd-Frank. Isn’t it convenient that many of their smaller competitors will be crushed? THAT is why I don’t just knee-jerk cheer for more regulation. Depends on what it is.

    • ncguy says:

      Didn’t see your comment. I agree, but how do we get the government to regulate again, or for the first time in some instances. It seems like neither party is really interested in that, because the banking sector has so much money to give them.

  3. angienc says:

    The people contributing to the cause are working for that money and getting nothing of value in return.

    Au contraire, mon frère. Heard much about Fast & Furious or Solyandra lately?

    And these kids will not only never get they’re being used, they’ll react defensively if you told them they are, because they believe with every fiber of their being that their mere existence warrants free food, tents, free tuition, etc.

  4. ncguy says:

    How can we get our government to be more responsive to the middle class and less in the back pockets of the banking sector?

    I tend to sympathize with the OWS protests even if some of the things going on with it right now look misguided and non-productive. It seems like they are doing something which is more than I see from just about anyone else.

    I can’t deal with the Tea-party, because I fundamentally think libertarianism is a dead end. I don’t believe in full socialism(communism) either, but I do think we need elements of socialism, the social safety net, and a government that is there to level the playing field so that competition is fair. Think Teddy Roosevelt and what he did with anti-trust legislation.

    • Mary says:

      Be nice to have a Teddy Roosevelt.

      What we have right now is NOTHING of the sort,

      And you know it.

    • elliesmom says:

      You get your government to be more responsive to you by either running for office yourself or supporting other people like you to run for office, and then you vote for them. You sign on to work for city and town committees that are working on issues that are important to you. IOW, you become the government. “All politics is local” said a very wise liberal man. Make politicians ask you for their vote. Don’t just give it away. Sitting in the park banging on drums doesn’t do it. I know, I tried that. We got Richard Nixon.

    • WMCB says:

      I spoke about anti-trust laws above. It would be a big help if we just enforced the laws we DO have.

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