Common Ground

Seems about right. Where do you stand?

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18 Responses to Common Ground

  1. yttik says:

    Good graphic! That just about sums it up.

    Where do I stand? Right there in the middle, I guess. I lean towards the “Gov has too much power,” because they are the ones who hand the corporations all their power. Without bail outs, without corporate welfare, many of those corporations would have ceased to exist by now. Or so we were told.

    I don’t have a problem with big business. I have a problem with big business that is able to purchase themselves a US congresscritter and get waivers for environmental regulations that the rest of us are now required to follow because we were the morons who were just calling for “more regulations.” That’s the kind of catch 22 that drives me crazy.

    • Jeffhas says:

      Had the Corporations been allowed to fail, the entire system as we now know it (Corporations spending Billions on Politicians, same Politicians writing friendly legislation for said Corporations) would have ended… Corporations would’ve been too scared to to ever trust and give money to Politicians in the same way, and Politicians would’ve had to work for their donations instead of just trading for favorable legislation.

      We had our chance, and now it’s gone.

      I think even Public financing won’t solve the problem – not with Citizens United, Unions, etc.

      We’re doomed.

      Oh yeah – and I’m in the middle too!

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        Public financing would never have solved the problem. It would have been another stream of money straight to the elite that they would have corrupted and exploited almost immediately.

        I do believe you’re right that we lost our chance to really make a change. McCain should have stayed away fro Washington like he said he would in October 2008, and then stuck to traditional conservative free market principles once elected. But he was infected with the bullsh!t line from Washington that if you aren’t inside the beltway, you aren’t a power player. Major folly, that.

        You’re absolutely right that if the markets had felt the pain of their own making, instead of making us eat it, things would be different.

  2. djmm says:

    “Here I am, stuck in the middle with you…”


  3. 1539days says:

    This Venn diagram is kind of stupid because overlapping gripes do not unify people. Brenda Ann Spencer shot at school children in 1979 claiming she did it because “I hate Mondays.” Many of us hate Mondays. We’re worlds apart.

    This is a process problem where corruption feeds patronage which feeds corruption. The government manipulates us by taxes people more or less based on behavior. The big money players can manipulate the government by following the letter of the law while profiting. Then they flat out bribe the politicians with money and favors to create laws.

    We have military contractor fraud, Medicare claim fraud, block grant fraud and 1,000 pages of tax law ripe with fraud. You know what has almost no fraud? Social Security. It’s a simple program where money comes in and then goes out after a certain amount of time.

    We either need to reduce the size of government or simplify it so much that it’s nearly impossible to hide fraud. I am tired of candidates who want to “abolish the tax code” or fire the IRS. It won’t happen. I would be happy with someone saying they want to make the tax code 30% smaller because I think that’s possible. And if it works, maybe they can take out another 30% in the next term.

  4. fif says:

    That about sums it up, but the mainstream media (& Obama for obvious campaign purposes) depicts the OWS crowd as passionate civil disobedients and the Tea Partiers are just a bunch of ignorant racists.

  5. HELENK says:

    check out this cartoon.

    I am in the middle , but my utopia is a government with common sense and corporations that while making a profit do not screw the people.
    Like I said Utopia

  6. Three Wickets says:

    The middle is basically a statement against state capitalism (which is crony capitalism when it fails, which is government with an economic/industrial policy when it succeeds). State capitalism today drives economies in China, Russia, Japan, Germany, among many others. It may not be right for the US, but what alternative models are being proposed by OWS or the Tea Party.

    • votermom says:

      I don’t know what alternative the OWS is proposing (does anyone), but I my impression is that the Tea Party is proposing swinging the pendulum back towards free-market capitalism. Minimal govt intervention, with regulation geared towards ensuring that the market remains free (no monopolies, cartels, etc).

      • Three Wickets says:

        Free-market capitalism for more and more multinationals seems to have become borderless capitalism, for employees, customers, investors. This is the global model which Immelt and his Jobs Council is advancing. Guess if more foreign companies decide to set up businesses in the US and hire, there may be some sense in it. But right now, neither the US private sector leadership nor government has a clear plan for developing and growing jobs here in America.

        The only plan I hear from Republican candidates is tax cuts and deficit cuts. Well tax cuts don’t help deficit cuts; more than 75% of the federal debt is medicare, social security, defense; the government’s debt represents less than one third of the nation’s total private and public debt. Deficit cutting into medicare and social security and even defense will cut into economic demand which will compel companies to cut and squeeze their staff even more. I don’t see a jobs strategy. No easy answers I know, but I do wonder if our people in DC are having the right economic debates. 🙂

        • votermom says:

          Immelt is the poster child for Crony Capitalism, which is antithetical to free markets.
          You are right. There is no jobs strategy.

        • Three Wickets says:

          And even with our current government deficits, across the board treasury yields have never been lower, which essentially means government borrowing costs are near zero. So why is the biggest economic issue today for Republicans the deficit. There is no inflation or skyrocketing interest rates in sight…as a result of these deficits. Maybe Republicans do have a plan to help working people, but so far as I can tell, their plans and priorities help the rich more.

    • ralphb says:

      No they are not the same. What we have now is crony capitalism. If you rewrite the middle to reflect industrial policy, it would be more like this.

      “Government enacts laws and regulations to encourage innovation and development of industries which have a positive impact on the country as a whole, preventing monopolistic behavior on the part of any and all actors. Large corporations in turn are free to compete among themselves and with smaller or startup companies on the basis of their ideas and solutions.”

      In crony capitalism, policies are formulated by large corporate entities for their own benefit and government enacts them due to lobbying efforts. In states with true industrial policy, the policies are formulated by the public servants in service to the nation as a whole.

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