Occam’s Razor

Joseph Cannon, quoting another blog:

The occupiers aren’t really into irrational hatred. But Fox News knows how to excite an audience. Hire a few. They don’t have to be ignorant anti-semitic bigots. They just need to play one on TV. Tell them to hang out by the information table. Better yet, send some really bizarre types with tattooed faces. Make them look menacing. Oh and while you’re at it, make little old ladies in NY City feel like the protestors are taking away the cops who keep them from being mugged on the street and killed in their beds.

How do I know conservative operatives are paying weirdos to show up at Occupy events? I don’t but I would if I were trying to discredit my enemy. The occupy events are open to the public, any public. You can walk right in there and set up shop and say whatever offensive thing you want even if it had nothing to do with economic injustice or the 99%. Are you kidding me? It’s the perfect rat-f%^&ing opportunity. I’d like to see them deny it. Over and over and over again.

You don’t need tinfoil conspiracy theories to explain what is going on. There is a much simpler answer.

The left-wing in American politics has a lunatic fringe. That fringe includes aging hippies, socialists, communists, anarchists, 9-11 Truthers, vegans, eco-freaks, anti-Zionists and some old-fashioned Jew-hating anti-Semites. There is also a free-floating lunatic fringe in this country containing people like the LaRouchies that turn up at both left and right-wing rallies and demonstrations.

The fact is no one would need to hire ringers to hang out at OWS rallies. Zuccotti park is a magnet for every attention-seeking weirdo, freak and bigot on the eastern seaboard. There are over 8 million people in NYC alone. If the lunatic fringe is just .001% that is 8000 nutjobs within commuting distance.

All anyone would need to do is bring a camera to an event and film the fringe. It doesn’t matter if they are only a small percentage of the people attending. Using the Tea Party Rule, what one attendee says or does is proof against the whole group.

The problem for OWS is that because it has no leaders there is no one who can speak for the group to denounce the weirdos and haters in their midst.

When your slogan is “We are the 99%” it’s kinda hard to disown anyone.

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35 Responses to Occam’s Razor

  1. votermom says:

    Zuccotti park is a magnet for every attention-seeking weirdo, freak and bigot on the eastern seaboard.

    Free food, free tents, free internet, free s.e.x. …. it’s irresistible.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    Those of us who grew up in the 60’s remember the romantic notion of living as a hippie in a commune with all your BFF’s, living off the land and having hootenannies. Then came the Charlie Manson mindf**kers who literally killed the rich. That’s the vibe I’m getting from this OWS organization. What could go wrong?

    • elliesmom says:

      I know that as time passes every generation’s hardships,victories, and foibles get romanticized. I have a collection of my grandmother’s recipes from the 30’s and 40’s, and while it’s fun to make some of her depression era or food ration meals, it wasn’t fun for her to try to feed her family in those times. Finding my dad’s diary from WWII was very different than listening to the “buddy stories” when his army friends got out the grill. I think we’re seeing that the 60’s and early 70’s have now become far enough in the past that they have become romanticized, too. I had friends who “dropped out” and didn’t recover from it until they were well past 40. We joke about if you remember the 60’s, then you weren’t really there, but sadly, most of us were really there, and we do remember.

      • yttik says:

        That’s a really good point, elliesmom. The 60’s have been romanticized. I remember, too, it was not all about peace, love, and utopia.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Bill Ayers and Occupy Chicago “students”. Includes twinkles 😉

  4. yttik says:

    “It’s the perfect rat-f%^&ing opportunity.”

    Where did this concept of ratf&%ing come from? Seriously, I lived my entire life without ever hearing about it, and then in 2008 suddenly that’s what I was being accused of. I still don’t understand the hysteria around it. It’s almost like some sort of cold war left-over about double agents and spies among us. Between that and the accusations of brainwashing, I really do feel like I’m back in the cold war.

    • Mary says:

      I think the “ratfucking” phrase came from the Nixon years, as we all watched the movie “All the Presiden’ts Men.”

      But the practice of ratfucking one’s opponent has been going on forever. Even Jefferson and Adams had a falling out because of Jefferson slipping information to newspapers to discredit Adams’ character. (Black babies, and all that)

      I think of Obama et al gaming the caucuses, cheating at the convention, playing the racecard—–all that is ratfucking, too. The end justifies the means, in their minds.

      It’s not like the Democratic Party hasn’t ratfucked too. Srsly.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Here’s a good way to win hearts and minds for your cause. Of course, the dog is employed by Fox News /sarc

    • Mary says:

      Winning hearts and minds. NOT

      Notice, these reality videos never get posted on the blogs claiming ratfucking. Reckon they’re willfully manipulating their easily-led readers?

      Physician, heal thyself.

    • WMCB says:

      They have a right to do it!

      Yep. They do. And I will defend that right.

      I have rights, too. I have a right to be deeply disgusted, call them a vile piece of shit, and spread the video around as a nice example of the attitudes that abound at OWS.

  6. angienc says:

    How do I know conservative operatives are paying weirdos to show up at Occupy events? I don’t but I would if I were trying to discredit my enemy.

    I take that as an admission that the Left sent “ringers” to the Tea Party rallies.

    • votermom says:

      How can you make such a base accusation? Don’t you know the left is above suspicion?


    • Jeffhas says:

      This to me is the most salient comment in that missive.

      It’s TOTALLY revealing about individual character. I get that it happens in the Rovelrod world, but that’s just it – if I have to be like them, I’m going to find something else to do with my life, I’m not playing in that mud hole.

      Admitting you’d do what they would do (tit-for tat and all that) – what price do you/did you pay as a self respecting – and once respected blogger?

      This saddened me.

      • Mary says:

        Me too. Of course she would do it. She’s ratfucking even now, with the half-truths about myiq.

        Eventually , these types always show their hand. Their egos are too big to do otherwise.

    • WMCB says:

      I think that some (not all) of the paranoia about the secret infiltration plans of the right is a clear case of projection.

      Because frankly, I hear a lot more discussion on lefty blogs about how to screw over/interfere with/infiltrate/post false comments/manufacture gotchas for the right than I ever read on righty blogs about doing the same to the left.

      • WMCB says:

        I am not talking about political parties and operatives there. I know that both sides do this crap on the professional level. I’m referring to the rank and file voters/bloggers.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yes they did, but they weren’t very bright “ringers”. They find the media and hold their signs saying “I’m a racist” or “death to Obama”. Or they just took pictures of each other for their blogs to “prove” the tea party’s a racist angry mob.

      Some of the organizers made signs to shadow them with “NOT the Tea Party ——->” . They hated that. 😀

      • WMCB says:

        Some of the most famous racist “teaparty” signs that made the rounds on the lefty blogs later proved not to be teaparty at all.

        They went and took photos at some white supremacist meeting, circulated the photos, and said they were from a teaparty.

        • Mary says:

          Yes, and the Borg–and others who jumped on the bandwagon—never knew any different.

          Didn’t bother to find out they were misled. Numbnuts.

  7. DandyTiger says:

    The occupiers aren’t really into irrational hatred

    That’s where that “other blog” went off the deep end, in that first sentence. Of course they are. Look at how we’re treated for just having a few questions and for being cynical, and for point out the usual “journalist” suspects with another mailing list among many other familiar things, We’re pretty quickly thrown under the bus and told we’re on the side of the 1% or are Republican’s or other hateful, imaginary things. And the tactics look very familiar with the drive by hate messages and the like.

    Here’s a question for the OWS/OFA types, why can’t we talk about and work towards making things better without being part of some Rorschach movement? What’s so scary about that? Is it because we might talk about primarying Obama? Or getting him to lose in hopes of fixing the Dem party? Or other approaches to make things better? Why the hate? Why the intolerance? Why so nervous?

    And of course it’s batshit crazy to say those things are fox news. It’s very clear they don’t have to do that. The very same thing happened with the Tea party movement. And like this case, the left didn’t have to do that. There is some small percentage of crazies in every group. Your job is to get in front of the messaging and push your own message. You don’t have a message you say? Because you haven’t had consensus yet, well, you better get cracking, because the message is out there whether you’re making it or not.

    • WMCB says:

      If they aren’t into irrational hatred, then why so many videos (and I’m not talking 2 or 3, I’m talking LOTS) of OWS protestors spewing irrational hatred?

      Kill the rich. Pull the bankers from their homes and drag them in the streets. Let’s have bloody revolution. Get rid of the Jews. North Korean workers have it so good. I’ll break your camera, bitch, if you film us. Setting a pit bull on a reporter. Chop off their heads. Execute them. Kill them all.

      These are all just a small sample of the statements I’ve heard/seen come out of the mouths of OWS protestors with my own eyes/ears.

      If anyone is making the assumption that a tiny sample represents the whole, here, it is RD. She’s taking her own thoughts/feelings (which may indeed be sincere and reasoned) and assuming that SHE represents the attitude of the whole movement.

      Me, I’m standing outside seeing some sincere folks with no plan, surrounded by nutjobs, angry “tear it all down” anarchistic lunatics, and stone cold revolutionaries. And no, I don’t have to go there to “understand”. Most of the country will not GO there. Most of the country is watching it just like I am, and just like they did the teaparties.

  8. kc says:

    Something else troubled me–the ‘crafty Jews’ comment in the title, whether snark or not, just feeds the stereotype. And Hasidim aren’t the best example—-they are reallly orthodox, sorta like fundamentalist Christians.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Facebookers, Iowahawk is David Burge on Facebook and he friends back 🙂

    Where else would I find this Declaration of War against the Oakland Police …..

  10. propertius says:

    If the lunatic fringe is just .001% that is 8000 nutjobs within commuting distance.

    I know math is hard for lawyers, but you’re off by a couple of orders of magnitude. 😉

    ,001% of 8 million is 80, which is still enough to make your point.

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