Occupy DC

Occupy D.C. protesters block streets near convention center

Hundreds of Occupy D.C. protesters blocked streets Friday night around the Walter E. Washington Convention Center where a conservative group was holding a dinner.

Three people were injured after apparently being struck by cars, authorities said.

Lt. Christopher Micciche of the D.C. police told the Associated Press that the driver was not cited because he had a green light when his vehicle struck three people.

He said witnesses told police that the three pedestrians “either ran toward or jumped in front of the moving vehicle.” He said one pedestrian jumped on the hood of the car. One of them was cited for being in the roadway.

“The protesters were apparently trying to block the roadway,” Micciche said. “It was essentially an accident where three individuals were injured but they were in violation by being in the roadway.”

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About 500 protesters stood in the streets at half a dozen intersections around the building, preventing cars from coming or going.

Several said that their aim was to prevent those inside from leaving.

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Jesse Folks, 29, of Riverdale, said he was standing in the street with several dozen protesters near the convention center when the car “just gassed it into a bunch of people.”

When asked whether the protesters should have been standing in the street at all, Folks said, “we were in the street, but this guy didn’t even give us a chance to get out of the way.”

Earlier, however, near the rear of the convention center, another group of protesters stood in front of a chartered bus for more than a half-hour as it tried to leave from the area. The bus kept honking its horn and tried to advance forward, but was repelled by the protesters who refused to yield.

In other areas around the building, some drivers got out of their cars and confronted protesters who refused to move. Other motorists stuck in traffic were more receptive, honking their horns in support of the group.

In addition, it appeared that small fights were breaking between protesters and other people, possibly neighborhood residents.

The event that drew the protesters to the convention center was the Americans for Prosperity “dream summit,” which attracted hundreds of conservative leaders from across the country. On Friday evening the group was holding a dinner in tribute to Ronald Reagan.


An OWS supporter called me a fascist recently. I had to laugh because it reminded me of the Obot trolls three years ago we used to find trapped in the TC spam filter, calling us fascists because we wouldn’t let them take over the blog. They said we were violating their right to free speech.

My freedom of speech doesn’t impose on anyone else a duty to listen, nor does it allow me to prevent them from speaking. My right to peaceably assemble doesn’t allow me to trap people and prevent them from leaving. Nor does it permit me to prevent someone else from operating a business by blocking the entrances. While I have a right to use public space, it is an equal right, meaning I have to share it with everyone else, not commandeer it for my exclusive use.

My rights do not trump your rights. Your rights do not trump mine. Neither of us has unlimited rights. The law defines our rights and the limits thereof. I believe in the rule of law.

Authoritarians think the king is law. OWSers think the mob is king. They are both wrong. As Tom Paine said, “In America, the law is king.



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65 Responses to Occupy DC

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Occupy Protester Arrested In $10M Arson Fire

    Police have arrested an Occupy Fort Collins protester in connection with a $10 million arson fire that damaged dozens of condominiums and businesses in Fort Collins.

    Benjamin David Gilmore, 29, was arrested on Thursday night on suspicion of arson, burglary and criminal mischief.

    On Oct. 24, a fire started at 3:30 a.m. in a four-story apartment complex under construction. The fire spread to the occupied Penny Flats condominium and retail building next door.

    The fire at Penny Flats caused heavy fire damage to the fourth floor and roof, and heavy smoke and water damage to the first, second and third floors, according to Poudre Fire Authority spokesman Patrick Love.

    Damage was estimated at $10 million.

    Whenever these things happen (and they keep happening) the OWSers say “It wasn’t us, it was a small minority of radicals” or “They were hired by FOX News to make us look bad” or some other silly shit.

    But look at any picture or video of a OWS event and there they are.

    • votermom says:

      The fire spread to the occupied Penny Flats condominium and retail building next door.

      People could have been killed.
      I hope they lock that firebug up for a looong time.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    The human shield video is now “unavailable”. In the time I viewed it to posting it on the last thread, it went down 😦

    If it’s still not working, it’s some crazy “mom”, 2 kids in a wagon, using it to block open the door at the AFP protest, guards pushing it away to close the doors and “mom” screaming at them. MANY cameras, so it should resurface again. Especially that I heard someone yell …OMG, they’re using kids!

  3. Betty says:

    I believe in the rule of law.

    Amen, say it a thousand times it will still be music to my ears. It is all we have.

  4. 1539days says:

    The local Occupy franchise had the power to the park there were appropriating shut off. It wasn’t supposed to be on after the Summer events in the park ended last month anyway. Apparently, these morons were going to plug in a bunch of electric space heaters to keep warm overnight at a pretty hefty price tag to the city.

    This is why OWS is the anti-Tea Party. Tea Parties had to get permits, which were usually restricted. They had to keep the sites clean, even if the staff made sure the garbage cans were full before the event started. Then there’s the CNN cameras who find the one guy with an Obama – Hitler sign.

    OWS just picks a spot like an unruly flash mob. If they do get a permit, they violate it by staying longer than they should, bringing open flames or stealing electricity. If the police finally get them out, they come back and dare them to be arrested again.

    These blue cities coddling the protests will start to see tourism and convention business plummet. Businesses are closing near Zuccoti Park and the same will happen in other cities at this rate. It’s starting to destroy its own base.

    • Funny 15- the city of Erie shut off the electricity to the gazebo being occupied up there. Same thing. The city is not going to pay the extra electric bill. That group is not very big- and I keep track of them on Facebook. There are some definite anarchist types agitating- but there are a couple of older women cheerleader types who are trying to deflect all that. The women just keep throwing it back at the young anarchist- telling him they have been protesting since back in the 60’s and stressing the need for peaceful protest.
      So far the women are managing to keep it cool.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I don’t understand the point of blockading the event. Go there and wave signs, okay. But block doors and roads? Why?

      I also don’t get trying to crash an event and disrupt it.

      • Lulu says:

        It is to prevent speech. If they can disrupt enough of these conservative, or really anyone who disagrees or is critical of them, events they can prevent them from speaking. It is just like 2008. The tactics have become even more aggressive because Obama is seen in a much more negative light. If you do not agree with him/them you are insane, an idiot, ignorant, trash, bigoted, etc. This is screaming down dissent squared. They are terrorists and should be called that to their face.

      • 1539days says:

        Obama said to “get in their face.” And Obama’s White Supporters do what they’re told.

        Funny how Obama’s “new” message about the 1% dovetails into this “spontaneous” crowd-sourced movement. I also really appreciate how they protest events for GW Bush and Ronald Reagan, considering they haven’t been president for 3 or 23 years.

      • DandyTiger says:

        Remember, occupyists don’t have to listen to non occupyists. The extension of that is of course that non occupyists are less, less important, less human, and eventually have no rights.

        • votermom says:

          That rule is straight out of the cult rulebook. (And hyper-orthodox religions):
          “Don’t listen to the unbeliever/infidel/heretic.”
          The next rule says “Convert or die.”

    • votermom says:

      I’m really impressed at how calm and eloquent the lady in the wheelchair is. She must be beyond pissed at being trapped there but shows such grace under pressure.

  5. Anthony says:

    He said witnesses told police that the three pedestrians “either ran toward or jumped in front of the moving vehicle.”

    So now they’re jumping in front of moving cars? I rather like this….

    BTW – your drive-by shooter invited me to attend Occupy DC after she failed to explain to me why this “movement” was so noble. Wonder if she was there?

    • DeniseVB says:

      I don’t understand their message either. They just hate Republicans and the Tea Party trying to steal their free goodies.

      And, they’re annoying 😀

      • Anthony says:

        Annoying as hell, to say the least.

        What I really don’t get is the (non)agenda.

        I asked a neighbor (and friend) who is totally into OWS to project forward – “OK – let’s say you win the fight and take down the banks and the government. How will the country and the economy be managed?”

        Her answer: “Oh, we’ll just all learn to get along with each other”.

        She also thought it was just fine for Soros to be backing OWS, but horrifying that any other of the 1% would contribute to any other organized movement.

        Go figure…..

        • WMCB says:

          Best question to ask these morons about their future “let’s all just get along” utopia is “And how do you plan to deal with those who vehemently disagree with you?”

          Because they have to say one of three things to that:

          1) Deny that disagreement really exists, which is a lie and a copout

          2) Say something vague and meaningless, which is also a copout and won’t address the “problem” of people who don’t agree.

          3) Admit that people who think “like that” are not going to be allowed a voice, which is an admission that THEY are at heart authoritarians and fascists and speech-suppressors.

        • DeniseVB says:

          “oh we’ll just learn to get along with each other” ROFLMAO !

          Have they seen the rap sheet for their movement? It’s not only dumb stuff, but clearly criminal too.

          Sorry, I don’t want to live in their world 😉

        • Anthony says:

          Tried doing all three to a commenter on someone’s blog recently. Disastrous…. (for them), since they resorted to calling me a fascist, gestapo, right wing nut job, etc.

          I did politely thank them for their input (I think my phrase was “hateful, divisive shit-bag”).

          People are so touchy. Gotta watch every word……

        • WMCB says:

          It’s really illuminating, Anthony, when you start talking with some of these people about the idea of dissent and representative govt.

          Because at first they try to act like “dissent” only means them. But when you finally get them around to understanding that you are talking about large numbers of the population who actually, really, no shit, disagree with them, then they say some very scary things about how none of them should be “allowed”, on the air, or in front of a group, to “spread their misinformation”.

          Any idea of govt and “progress” that does not take into account that people who believe very differently have every right to exist, speak, vote, and be represented is at heart a fascist movement.

          But you and I are the fascists for pointing that out, and ought to be made to STFU.

          The irony is so thick.

        • Anthony says:

          WMCB, I will never STFU

          I encourage them to step on the gas. The louder the noise, the sooner the majority sees them for what they are. Then maybe, something constructive can be done rather than frat shenanigans

  6. DeniseVB says:

    I enjoy reading the other point of view too … I still don’t get the hate for the Koch brothers, yet Soros gets a pass? This is definitely not grassroots.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/152981/protestors_crash_koch_brothers_party?flv=1

    Adrian Parson, who marched to the convention center with Occupy K Street, which has been camped out at Freedom Plaza since October 6, believes that occupying spaces where the culprits attend is indeed making difference. Parson said, “Words like occupy and class war are no longer absent from the Republican vocabulary or even Republican debates.”

    Carrie Biggs-Adams from the Communications Workers of America was excited to see so many people demonstrating and feels that the occupy movement has a lot to do with it. “There are a lot of people in this crowd, not just from Occupy DC, but people who have been angry for years at the right. The Occupy movement is giving people who haven’t been politically active permission to come out and demonstrate.”

    As an activist, Biggs-Adams is thrilled that people are finally marching, demonstrating, and protesting. She said, “I’ve been out in the streets for years with CodePink and now because of the Occupy movement people are actually joining us!”

    • WMCB says:

      I don’t get the hate for either the Koch Brothers OR Soros. If you are gonna hate them, why not also hate celebrities who give lots of money to causes they support?

      Both sides have people with money who like to fund political causes. Both sides think it’s fine and noble and civic-minded for THEIR wealthy people to do that, but sinister for anyone who disagrees with them to do that. I don’t have a big problem with either.

      I might have a problem with either the goals or actions of some of the groups Soros/Koch fund, but I don’t think it’s evil for either guy to be funding and advancing ideas they believe in.

      Can someone please explain to me why it’s wrong and evil and sinister, other than “Because I don’t like the ideas they are advancing?”

      • 1539days says:

        My gripe with Soros is that he’s a hedge fund manager, which means he finds ways to bet on economic failure and profit from it. He represents everything the 99% is supposed to take the 1% to task over.

        The Koch brothers primarily own manufacturers. They produce things in this country and employ union labor in some of their factories. They provide the kind of good jobs the 99% supposedly want in this country.

        • WMCB says:

          Well yeah, there’s that and the fact that Soros is a convicted inside trader.

          But that’s a separate issue, as is the character or lack thereof of the Koch brothers. What I don’t understand is the hate for and outrage over the very concept of a rich dude giving money to support stuff he believes in, so long as it’s their rich guy. If it’s our rich guy, the concept is sound and innocent.

          Because that’s what they attack. They go into fits over the idea of “a really rich guy is backing this!” SO? What’s yer point?

      • DeniseVB says:

        I’m uncomfortable with Soros because his massive donations to MoveOn, Huffington Post and Media Matters changed what were once good liberal sources of activism and news. They went hard left and now carry buckets of Obama’s water.

        I really never heard of the Koch brothers until the tea party was under fire. Sure they may support conservative causes and are pro-business, but I don’t think they’re the evil twins of Soros.

        Even the OccupyDC folks don’t seem to care about blaming the government, unless it’s a Republican’s home or office.

        All I see is unions gone wild, Madison WI was their tube test.

  7. WMCB says:

    Other motorists stuck in traffic were more receptive, honking their horns in support of the group.

    Gotta love that spin. Because when people stuck in traffic being prevented from moving are honking their horns, how do you tell if it’s “in support”? Telepathy?

  8. WMCB says:

    Another video for the child shield incident, since the one myiq posted is unavailable.

  9. WMCB says:

    From Hotair:

    Stephen reports that only one protester even questioned the decision to put children near the door — and she told Stephen that she probably shouldn’t give an interview. Everyone else insisted in loud and nearly incoherent voices that the AFP conference that took place was victimizing the children, and not Mom and the rest of the protesters that put them in the middle of a security scuffle. According to a later e-mail I got from Stephen, one DC street also started victimizing these same children, so our candidate for Mother of the Year put them in the middle of a blockade of the street.

    John Hinderaker and Stacy McCain have more video from the AFP “Defending the American Dream” conference that Occupy DC targeted yesterday that shows the scope of the danger in which these toddlers were placed — danger, it must be noted, that came entirely from the Occupiers themselves.

  10. votermom says:

    An OWS supporter called me a fascist recently.

    Yeah, about that, when are sending us the jackboots? Size 8 should be good.

  11. kc says:

    myiq–you are right on–to the point post. Some SC justice (Holmes?) said–‘your rights end where my nose begins.’

    If we don’t have the rule of law or law above men, then we have some getting away with things that others can’t. Authoritarianism begins there. Hillaryis44 has a post up about Obama’s slimy politics that was actually written by Jonathan Martin (I think he’s the creep wwho wrote that the Clinton’s were irrelevant)–it will bring back memories.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    And speaking of MoveOn.org ….. Kids as propaganda tools, good points but too Dear Leader-ish….

  13. WMCB says:

    Occupy Fort Collins protestor arrested for arson.

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/29683079/detail.html

  14. myiq2xu says:

    Hot Air:

    The protesters are yelling, “This is what democracy looks like!”, but that’s absurd. There is a very big difference between democracy and mob rule, as the interview subject tells Frank. This is an attempt by a small coterie of radicals to silence free speech and free association through intimidation and threats of violence. Occupiers had every right to picket on the sidewalks; they have no right to block ingress or egress to the building.

    FTR – my post went up an hour before theirs.

    • WMCB says:

      This is the most disturbing thing about the left to me anymore. The whole STFU movement.

      I was a Democrat for many many years. Contrary to what it is today. the left during those years did NOT mean “we are right, and anyone who disagrees is eviiiil and needs to be made to STFU”.

      Trying to make other people with differing views STFU is not liberal. Never was, never will be. Authoritarians with some views I like are just as horrible to me as authoritarians with views I don’t.

      Under Bush, I wasn’t willing to trash the constitution and the rule of law and become an Authoritarian State to get safety from terrorism. I was told I didn’t care about the nation’s safety, which is a lie.

      Guess what? I’m not willing to submit to an Authoritarian State or trash the rule of law to get some “economic justice”, either. So now I’m told I don’t care about the poor or the 99%, which is also a lie.

      My principles have not changed one iota.

      • votermom says:

        Me too but a blogger I really used to respect told me that is just proof that I have fallen for the right’s shtick.

        • crawdad says:

          The latest version is you never were on their side, it was “business.”

          Yep, I’m surprised too at the reaction of some former friends to OWS. I think we have to consider the possibility that they never were who we thought they were. And their presence among us was not necessarily sympathetic. It was business.

        • 1539days says:

          because people you’ve known for years are tools of the system and the fake movement with no goals and no ambition is the solution.

        • LOL. We have open minds at the Crawdad Hole, and that’s better than mob rule and hate. OWS doesn’t make sense if the protesters are not picketing Congress and the White House. That’s where the power is. If you want to protest banks, shred your credit cards and join the credit unions. Right now, OWS campers are disrupting regular folks who want to go about their business. They are not going to get new supporters if they continue to look like the Democratic grunge movement and camp out wherever they want to.

        • votermom says:

          because people you’ve known for years are tools of the system and the fake movement with no goals and no ambition is the solution.

          True story.

  15. DeniseVB says:

    Meet Wagon Mom ! Yes, there were two kids in the wagon …. another video at link…..

    http://www.owsexposed.com/2011/11/05/dc-occupiers-use-children-to-blockade-door-during-violent-scuffle/

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  17. Lola-at-Large says:

    LMAO! The last video in this post has now been removed. How conveeenient. I thought OWS was all about the truth?

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