Occupy Godwin – Zuccotti Park Live-Blog

The Final Solution?

riverdaughter, on November 15, 2011 at 8:46 amsaid:

More and more I am beginning to believe that the words “clean”, “health” and “safety” have been tested.

That is extremely acute, and I’m sure you’re right.

It’s also exactly the same rhetoric that the Nazis used against the Jews.


Yes, because telling people they can’t camp-out in Manhattan is the same as putting them in death camps.

This is a live-blog on the situation in Zuccotti Park. I have stickied it to the top of the front page.

Newer posts can be found below this one.


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88 Responses to Occupy Godwin – Zuccotti Park Live-Blog

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Bringing this up from below:

    Guardian:

    8.23am ET / 1.23pm GMT: Here’s a link to that court order. A full hearing is scheduled for 11.30am.

    8.13am ET / 1.13pm GMT: Lawyers for the Occupy Wall Street protesters have obtained an early-morning restraining order that prevents the city authorities and the owners of Zuccotti Park from evicting protesters from Zuccotti Park. According to the New York Times, the order also prevents the authorities from preventing protesters from returning to Zuccotti Park. The city is also barred from “enforcing ‘rules’ published after occupation began,” according to the Times. The order was issued by judge Lucy Billings of the state supreme court.

    It’s a TRO and only good until a hearing scheduled for 11:30 this morning.

    • Mary says:

      Bloomberg hasn’t said they can’t return to the park. They can, during the day. They just can’t camp out overnight.

      That still respects their 1st amendment free speech rights.

      Notwithstanding the drama queens like RD & Lambert. of course. (Drama gets more hits on their blogs, ya know—a very capitalistic enterprise)

  2. DandyTiger says:

    Jeebus. Please tell me you made those quotes up.

  3. votermom says:

    Oy, lambert. I have heard a lot of the exact same rhetoric the Nazis used against the Jews right from the OWSers themselves.

    By the way the tinfoil meme for today is that the mayors are all acting incompetently in sync by order of TPTB (can anyone disprove that? we rest our case).

  4. myiq2xu says:

    Guardian:

    9.07am ET / 2.07pm GMT: Going back over the Bloomberg statement, much of which he repeated at his press conference, perhaps the most striking line was his cold assertion that when First Amendment rights and and safety priorities clash, health and safety that trumps the US constitution. Here’s the quote in full again:

    From the beginning, I have said that the City had two principal goals: guaranteeing public health and safety, and guaranteeing the protesters’ First Amendment rights. But when those two goals clash, the health and safety of the public and our first responders must be the priority.

    Actually that is legally correct. That’s why you can’t shout “fire” in a crowded theater.

  5. DandyTiger says:

    Thought I’d bring this up from below since it fits:

    Ha, we’ll probably hear from them that this was a good thing and did them a favor in getting rid of the freeloaders and the less that pure among the true 99%. And that now the real, pure 99% can get back to their efforts.

    I think I liked the rhetoric of this movement better in the original german.

    • Pips says:

      “Ouch” was my initial reaction reading your comment below, Dandy. Accompanied by an ironic giggle. But then this comment from Lambert! It’s just so incomprehensibly stupid and infuriating. By using Godwin’s law people make utter fools of themselves. I can live with that. What makes its use unacceptable, especially when used by people who should – and does! – know better, is the way it diminishes the deeds of real nazis, real Nazism, and makes it into something not all that worse than calling people out for being pricks and aßholes.

      And making such a comment (Lambert’s) while at the same time this is happening in Germany right now is beyond stupid and incompehensible.

      • DandyTiger says:

        Good point. It’s similar to the everything is racist meme pushed by OFA over the last numbers of years. If you do that crap enough, it loses its meaning. For me, I couldn’t help it. The people from that movement have actually said those things. Scared the shit out of me when I heard it and it reminded me of something…

        • Pips says:

          If you do that crap enough, it loses its meaning.

          Exactly! And I agree it’s the same with the raçe card. Words lose their actual meaning and it all becomes newspeak and Gobbledigook.

          But make no mistake D.T.: Snark is good! And sometimes it’s the best weapon with which to fight back … Sometimes the best protection to keep sane.

        • DandyTiger says:

          Good weapon, but I lost out on the sanity front years ago. 🙂

  6. myiq2xu says:

    This comment remains in moderation at TC:

    • DandyTiger says:

      LOL

    • Mary says:

      Go figure. She’s such a coward.

      • myiq2xu says:

        She posted this the other day:

        RD, on November 13, 2011 at 3:05 pm said:

        I hope you know that any of your comments that go into moderation here are strictly a function of the moderation queue. I’ve added only a few people to the moderation list in the past 6 months or so. Abbeysbooks was one because I could never figure out what the f#$@ she was talking about and I got sick of hearing about DeLillo and deconstructionism.
        The other, oddly enough, was myiq. And it’s not because his POV is that offensive. It’s just that I don’t want to argue about every fricking comment I make. One or two exchanges are ok. But if it goes on for 15 rounds and he hasn’t changed my mind, then what’s the point?? I could just choose to not answer him but then he crows about that as if he’s won some point, when in fact he has proven the point that he’s just being a stubborn pain in the ass and hasn’t won anything except his well earned reputation.
        But, whatever. It’s his blog. He can do what he wants. I usually don’t ban people unless they’re 1.) talking points trolls from either party, 2.) (probably) mentally ill or 3.) acting like adolescents with oppositional defiant disorder. Myiq falls into the latter category. He’s an extremely intelligent person who probably did not get the kind of attention he deserved when he was younger. Parental negligence can do that to a person and I wouldn’t be surprised if his parents’ church had something to do with that. But you know what? At some point in time, you need to tell those assholes who blew you off as a kid to go stuff it.
        Once you do, you’re free.

        • myiq2xu says:

          Just for the record – I wasn’t neglected as a child.

          Abused maybe, but not neglected.

        • DandyTiger says:

          There you have it. If you can just tell those assholes who blew you off to go stuff it, you’ll be free. And then you can come down and visit an occupy tent. The first sip is free.

        • Mary says:

          The only emotional adolescent in the room that requires agreement and adulation from blog posters, who can’t abide differing opinions because of her own emotional needs, is RD.

          And everyone who abandoned her (and it’s many) for the controlling bore she really is, knows it. Hell, the whole blogosphere knows it. She’s stuck in the emotional stage of never sitting at the “in crowd” high school lunch table. At this point, she’s made herself irrelevant.

          Really, myiq—-she’s just not worth it. Half the people who used to come to her blog only came to read YOU. You do know that, right?

        • catarina says:

          That is a disgusting,unnecessary, and uncalled for personal attack.

          WTF?

        • yttik says:

          “oppositional defiant disorder…”

          LOL, I was diagnosed as a child with chronic maladjustment syndrome. Damn right I have it. It means you’re allergic to swallowing bullshit.

          I have it even worse now that I’ve nurtured the condition for 40 years.

        • DandyTiger says:

          Clearly you can’t be one of the “pure” 99% yttik if you can’t swallow bullshit. I believe that’s requirement #1.

        • WMCB says:

          LOL! Jeebus crispies, the one who has very evident issues with mommy and daddy ain’t myiq.

          Her loathing and resentment for her Jehovah’s Witness parents and her sad upbringing just oozes out of so many of her posts. Even in trashing myiq, she just could not help but blame his “problems” on his parents’ church.

          And I wasn’t aware that you could just pull stuff completely out of your ass so long as you prefaced it with “I wouldn’t be surprised if…” There’s a handy thing to know. I could have a lot of fun with “I wouldn’t be surprised if…” in discussing RD. 😀

        • DandyTiger says:

          I wouldn’t be surprised if OWS’ers ate babies.

        • Pips says:

          Just for the record – I wasn’t neglected as a child.

          It surprised me (which it probably shouldn’t have) how you suddenly became the focus of the “discussion” – not to speak of that specific attack. 😯

          I’ll say this, having followed your writing for years, and whatever else could be said about you, heh – I always got the impression that you had/ have a very healthy, loving relationship with your mom. But then so do I with mine. 😉

        • Pips says:

          We’ve exchanged gunfire on a few occasions

          I guess I can take that to be the healthy part of your relationship. 😎

        • DandyTiger says:

          As long as they both miss, it’s healthy. 🙂

  7. kk says:

    I second that Mary. myiq IS the attraction!

  8. myiq2xu says:

    Guess who?

    – The Mayor is using the field tested words “clean”, “health” and “safety” but no reports of typhoid, cholera or other contagious diseases have been reported.

    – There is a bigger difference between the words “clean” and “cleanse” than two letters. Cleansing has been the excuse that all the bad governments on earth have used to remove troublemakers and inconvenient people from their midst.

    – Mayors from Oakland, Portland and Denver have also “cleansed” their parks. It looks like a coordinated effort. Who are they taking orders from? Homeland Security? On what grounds? The 1%? What government died and made them gods? And why did Mayor Jean Quan’s legal council and deputy mayor quit yesterday saying they supported the Occupiers?

    I would be very careful about how I used the cleaning words and metaphors because people aren’t stupid. Well, some right wing conservative gullible people who watch Fox News are pretty close to stupid but the rest of America knows when something doesn’t feel right.

    And it doesn’t feel right after this “Cleansing of the Occupiers”

    • DandyTiger says:

      Cleansing has been the excuse that all the bad governments on earth have used to remove troublemakers and inconvenient people from their midst.

      Interesting since that’s exactly what the “pure” 99%’ers used to get rid of the freeloaders and trouble makers within their midst. Funny that.

      But perhaps a tinfoil post about the possible coordination is in order. I’d say the more likely cause if there is one would be the OFA/Obama orchestrated efforts were showing signs of getting out of hand and making them look bad. Notice it’s Dem mayors doing the “cleaning”. That alone kind of hints at the most likely scenario if there is one.

    • Lulu says:

      What’s a little cholera? How about some typhoid? When is the plague going to show up? Cooties, clap, skin rashes, lung crud. Just let the city pay for a couple courses of antibiotics. Of course this stuff is contagious and other people may not want their right to avoid communicable health issues spread to them. Is it OWS right to be Typhoid Marys?

    • WMCB says:

      Let’s see, people at OWS with actual signs about greedy Jew bankers, running around screaming about the evil Zionists who control everything? Not an indicator or reminiscent of anything at all. STFU.

      Public officials almost deferentially and apologetically talking about public health and safety hazards of a demonstrably dangerous, unsanitary encampment? ZOMG, shades of the holocaust!!!!!!!

    • soupcity says:

      Good grief.
      Yeah, it’s just like Kristallnacht, RD. WTF!?!?

  9. yttik says:

    Sort of off topic, but I get so tired of hearing about what a mean country we are and how selfish and greedy everybody is.

    “SEATTLE — One week ago, the Union Gospel Mission didn’t have enough turkeys needed to feed the hundreds of homeless guests expected for Thanksgiving. But now, the group has so many turkeys that it’s looking to give them away. ”

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/133852283.html?m=y&smobile=y&c=y

    The same is true in my neck of the woods. We actually broke records with our food drive this year. Our food banks actually cannot accept anymore donations until after Thanksgiving because there is simply nowhere else to put all the food. This has never happened before.

    • Lulu says:

      That is encouraging. Our local food bank just started a program for extra food for families of school age children for periods of extended school holidays when children do not get free or reduced price lunch and breakfast. They run low feeding kids at home or have to feed them less the rest of the month. We were approached for seed money and it seemed a very good idea.

    • Outstanding! Our local food drive – the big one for Thanksgiving- is tomorrow. Drive through at the local newspaper, lol.
      We give a complete Thanksgiving dinner every year- we got married right before Thanksgiving and had the guests bring a food donation- which was presented at offertory during Mass. Cheesy and corny I know. We keep the tradition every year. No matter how bad times have been, we put aside a bit all year to be sure to have it.
      Yup- we are damn bitter us clingers!

    • WMCB says:

      Americans have their warts, but as a whole we are one of the most incredibly generous and giving societies in history. And yeah, I think that ought to be pointed out and celebrated. I don’t think it’s right to ignore either the bad OR the good of who we are.

  10. 1539days says:

    Dirty is one thing, crime is another. This is why living in a tent city sucks. People can roam around and cause mayhem. It’s a breeding ground for all kinds of bad stuff. It doesn’t matter if the criminals are true believers or not. When someone get shot in a restaurant, people aren’t allowed to just keep eating.

    • yttik says:

      There’s a tent city in Seattle for homeless women and kids. It’s not a picnic, but they have security and restrooms. The OWS people kind of piss me off because it’s almost like they’re making a mockery of what it means to be homeless. If they genuinely cared about the so called 99% they’d be getting involved with the organizations in their communities that are trying to help people who really do have nothing.

  11. myiq2xu says:

    MattY gets the “There must be a pony here somewhere” award:

    Getting Kicked Out Of Zuccotti Park Is Probably Good For Occupy Wall Street

    Cops poured into Zuccotti Park to forcibly remove the original Occupy Wall Street encampment. Naturally, people aren’t happy. But realistically I think this was the best possible endgame for the group. After all, there are only a few possible ways for a protest to end. One is something like this — the cops come in and get rid of people. A second is something like the Powers That Be sit down to negotiate an end to the standoff in a way that involves giving in to some or all of the protestors demands. The third is for the protests to simply fizzle out as people lose interest. One of the distinctive things about Occupy Wall Street was that it organized itself in such a way as to make option two impossible.

    So OWS was either going to end with the cops clearing the park, or else it was going to end with the protestors losing interest. It would be totally human and understandable for the protestors to end up fading away as the weather gets colder, but that would be demoralizing to everyone who’s come to look at the various Occupations as a key signal of popular discontent with rampant inequality. Instead, by ordering the protestors to be removed the Bloomberg administration has ensured continued relevance for the issue. All over the internet today all eyes are on New York and on Occupy Wall Street. Temporary injunctions have already been issued and there are sure to be more lawsuits. The worst possible outcome is for the movement to just kind of fade away, and by trying to forcibly clear the park with the NYPD, Bloomberg has guaranteed that won’t happen.

  12. votermom says:

    Top 10 OWS Eviction tweets:
    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/top-ten-ows-eviction-tweets#.TsJ9aOyWTQd.twitter

    10. @freddoso Cabs and paddy wagons pulling up at OWS. Your choice, occupiers.

    9. @stacyhyatt Where is #Obama? #OWS needs a Community Organizer!

    8. @ExJon Nothing funnier than hearing Marxists complain about the state taking their property. #OWS

    7. @derekahunter Funny how quickly the #OWS crowd went from “Everything belongs to everyone” to “Hey, that’s my stuff!” #OccupyWallStNYC #MicCheck #p2

    6. @KerryPicket This really is like watching a “very special” episode of Hoarders #ows

    5. @KMBReferee Occupiers: The 1st Amendment gives you the right to protest. It doesn’t give you the right to take over and live anywhere you want. #ows

    4. @theurv I wonder if @BarackObama is up watching #NYPD #OccupyWallSt #ZuccottiPark from the situation room…

    3. @AndrewBreitbart All we are saying, is give RapeMurderSuicidePublicPooingGropingPubicLice a Chance! #OWS

    2. @mattyglesias Given #OWS’s lack of specific demands, eviction by the cops was the only possible endgame.

    1. @davidcolburn People are camping out in tents for the next five days for tickets to the Twilight premiere. WHERE ARE THE RIOT POLICE? #occupyoakland #ows

  13. myiq2xu says:

    Guardian:

    Staff in the restaurants and sandwich bars around the park are delighted that it has been cleared. Ricki Martinez, who works at Charly’s in Trinity Place, directly opposite where the camp’s drumming circle had been based, smiled broadly when asked how he felt.

    “It was ok for a week. But two months? It was kind of annoying, there was a lot of noise. There were a lot of crazy people with problems in their heads, and homeless. They made a mess in the toilets we had to close them. They’ve been closed since September.”

    The manager at Pannini & co, who would not give his name, said his takings had gone down between 30% and 40% since the protest began. “We’re happy, everybody’s happy – aren’t they?”

    • 1539days says:

      Sure, those one percenters who own the restaurants are happy, but what about the 99% like their employes? Oh, I guess they’re happy to get their shifts back. Why should people be outraged about this?

  14. myiq2xu says:

    Half-naked man runs past Hillary carry a torch:

  15. HELENK says:

    Cops to #OWS Protesters at 6th Avenue park: Clear out “or you will be arrested” http://bit.ly/vl2NpO

  16. myiq2xu says:

    Guardian:

    The New York Daily News has done a good piece of reporting around how the Occupy Wall Street protesters obtained the restraining order.

    When the cops raided Zuccotti Park, lawyers for Occupy Wall Street immediately woke up a judge with a civil liberties background and asked for help. Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings signed an early-morning order temporarily barring cops from keeping protesters and tents out of Zuccotti Park.

    But within hours, she was off the case as court administrators prepared to randomly choose a new judge — and excluded Billings’ name from the list of candidates.

    Court officials said her name would not be on a random generator of judges to be assigned to the case, because she usually works on real-estate cases. But it’s no surprise that the OWS lawyers woke her up in the middle of the night – for 25 years before becoming a judge, she was a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

  17. HELENK says:

    this is the owies
    they shit all over other people’s rights

    http://www.breitbart.tv/caught-on-video-occupy-protester-defecates-in-public-street/

  18. HELENK says:

    Office, corporate workers, stroller dads walking by Zuccotti, cleared of #occupywallstreet, grinning at officers, giving them thumbs up
    2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
    Retweeted by allahpundit and 16 others

  19. myiq2xu says:

    Guardian:

    The City Comptroller John C Liu has issued this statement:

    Going in and forcibly removing the protestors in the dead of night sends the wrong message. City Hall should have continued to talk with the protestors in the light of day if it wanted them removed, instead of evicting them in the middle of the night. There seems to be no compelling reason for this action at this time. The protestors have a right to be heard.

    You can talk until the cows come home but they weren’t gonna budge.

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