We don’t serve tea or Koolaid in here

riverdaughter, on November 19, 2011 at 9:05 pm said:

There is a certain segment of the Tea Party who I think will be very susceptible to the OWS movement. They’re the ones the DNC blew off for Obama. Right now, they’re the ones who hang out at places like the Crawdad Hole.
And as long as OWS stays away from politics, they have a good shot of winning them back.

I am a blue collar liberal. I’ve been one most of my life. But I am no longer a partisan.

Pick a policy issue and I lean towards the left. I am pro-choice and I support LGBT rights and single payer health care, I oppose the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. I support civil liberties and oppose the Patriot Act, domestic spying, torture and assassination. I support reasonable restrictions on gun ownership (like banning assault weapons) and want to see marijuana legalized and most other drugs decriminalized. I want to see the big banks and financial corporations broken up and regulated, our environment preserved and our social safety nets protected.

I believe that crony capitalism is one of the major problems facing our nation. In order to fight it I think we need genuine campaign finance reform that reigns in the power of money on politics. We also need tax and spending reforms that eliminate the ability of the government to reward campaign contributors.

Occupy Wall Street is an organization, not an ideology. “Occupying” is a tactic. I support neither one. But just because I don’t support OWS does not mean I support the bankers or that I am a Glenn Beck fan. (I swear that man lives rent-free in some people’s heads.)

For most of my adult life I was a partisan Democrat. While I lost faith in my political church a few years ago I still have my religion. Some people have trouble telling the two apart.

I can admire the strategy, tactics and dedication of the Tea Party members without supporting their goals. I can support the professed goals of some OWS members without supporting their strategy, tactics or unsavory associates. I can disagree with the ideology of conservatives without believing they are stupid and/or evil. More importantly, I can support their right to hold different opinions from me.

I don’t believe Barack Obama is a socialist. He is a conservative. As far as I am concerned the only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in Washington is which way we are facing when they stab us.

Although I no longer consider myself a Democrat I am still registered as one and during the last general election I voted for Democrats in every partisan office except one, and in that one I wrote in the name of Ronald McDonald. I voted for Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Gavin Newsom, and Kamala Harris. I did not vote for Dennis Cardoza.

I will not support or vote for Barack Obama. Nobama, no way. There is no candidate in either party that I support. It is my hope that the GOP will nominate someone I can hold my nose and vote for. Then we can start looking towards the 2016 Democratic primaries. If Obama is reelected we can’t start rebuilding until 2020.

During the past few months I have discussed the GOP presidential candidates without utilizing the filter of partisanship. I have discussed their qualifications, policies and character as well as the attacks being made against them.

I don’t agree with everyone who comments and posts at this blog. Most or all of the people here are former Democrats like myself. This is not a Tea Party blog, but Tea Partiers are welcome to drop by. So are Occupiers, Paultards, smelly hippies and wingnuts.

No trolls or Obots allowed.

This is supposed to be a place where people can agreeably disagree, but it’s not a hothouse for delicate flowers. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but anything you say can and will be mocked, jeered and/or disputed. But just because we ridicule what you say doesn’t mean we don’t like you.

If we have one common trait around here it’s cynicism with a big dose of stubbornness. We don’t believe in magical unity ponies or miracle cures. We’ve proven that we are pretty much immune to peer pressure too. We aren’t susceptible to anything but facts backed up with logic and reason.

If you want to change our minds you need to elevate your game above junior high name-calling and insults.


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42 Responses to We don’t serve tea or Koolaid in here

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Via Uppity:

    I love Christmas lights. They remind me of the people who voted for
    Obama. They all hang together; half of them don’t work, and the ones
    that do, aren’t that bright

  2. Jeffhas says:

    I was tired of High School when I was in Junior High.

  3. Lulu says:

    The stated goals of OWS at the very beginning were many things that I wholeheartedly agreed with. It immediately headed downhill. The tactics are threatening, juvenile and selfish. The poor, the really really poor people who need food, housing and medical care are ignored. Foreclosures and student debt are problems but they are problems that people got into VOLUNTARILY. We have more and more poor people because of the policies of this White House and his goddamned enablers in Congress, the media, and the Democratic party. Obama job stimulus is to take billions of dollars and send it straight to his campaign contributors who then file for bankruptcy. Understanding this requires critical thinking skills beyond declaring a bat signal as cool.

    • 1539days says:

      What would be really bold is if every Occupier with a home invited in one person who didn’t have a home. Could you imagine what message it would send if the Occupiers did they opposite of what they’re doing now, living like wannabe homeless?

      But that would make them a legit movement and it would probably embarrass Obama.

      • Lulu says:

        If it stood for much of anything other that me, Me, ME it would embarrass Obama. There are people participating who are concerned for the rapidly increasing poor in this country but they are not the majority. In 2007-2008 I read all I could on Obama and Chicago politics. This whole thing is right out of that playbook and they are as bold as brass. Obama comes from a political culture where Dems and Repubs TAKE TURNS ripping off the taxpayers. This I am convinced is where his concept of bi-partisan appeal came from because he thought DC Repubs understood that it was his turn to rip off the taxpayers and then then they could take a turn again. When they did not go along he got pissy and greased the skids for his crony capitalists anyway. Movements, education challenges, housing, energy, and health care reform are just another way to extract tax dollars for payola, media diversion, and spread group think. Obama et al never accomplishes anything that does not involve rewarding his friends. Nothing.

      • Karma says:

        Ooo, that’s good.

  4. Pips says:

    Most or all of the people here are former Democrats like myself.

    Which to me was/is always (/and will probably continue to be) self-evident! Would this blog – with its present content – even exist had Hillary Clinton and not Barack Obama been POTUS?

    But … please? What is BTDTGTTSAWIO?

  5. very susceptible to the OWS movement.

    Uhm, NO! Why in the name of sanity would those of us who saw through and REJECTED the hologram known as obama be susceptible to OWS?
    Imvho, we should be the least susceptible to OWS. The parallels of Obotia/OWS are clear. No real, concrete message — join and follow, drink the kool-aid. Will cries of “fascist” replace “raycist”?
    Sadly, at least OFA had the smarts to craft a message- “Hope” “Change” We are the ones- blah blah blah.
    If we were not susceptible to it in 08 what makes her think we should be susceptible to a poor imitation now?
    Does she think we will all be stricken simultaneously with Alzheimer’s?

  6. DeniseVB says:

    It’s hard being a fiscal conservative AND a social liberal at the same time. Is there a label for us? I’m currently calling myself independent of any party, and thankful I live in an open state that doesn’t require registering with a party to vote in the primaries.

  7. honora says:

    I am not sure where I have been, but I just discovered Americanselect. It actually seems pretty interesting. Does anyone know anything about it, good or bad?

    I am sick of hating both parties and feeling like I have no place to go with my ‘political energy’. I am hoping against hope that this is not a front organization but rather a good idea. Having a third candidate in the next election, may mean that I can actually vote.

  8. DandyTiger says:

    Fucking A. Honk, fucking Honk!!!

    • OldCoastie says:


      I don’t know what she is talking about… susceptible to OWS? tea party?

      Not me… my thought about the occupiers the other morning was “geez! do something! something that directly helps and impacts lives!”

      (and stop wasting my precious tax dollars paying for sanitation crews and cops… every dollar that group requires is that much less my kids at school get – and there is tremendous need there)

    • Karma says:


      Even if some can’t follow it, there has been a consistency in everyone’s views here. Being filled with political junkies we’ve all torn apart various moments and current events for all of the positive and negative aspects. If someone is joining in the conversation late or refuses to remember that this a blog full of Clinton Dems, that’s their problem.

      And Honk! Do something other than fight for your right to camp – wasting tax dollars and resources for the truly needy. It contradicts your 99%….fighting for the masses motto!!

  9. yttik says:

    I actually don’t drink kool aid or tea, just gallons of beautiful coffee, the nectar of the gods, I tell ya. Where I live you can’t buy a pair of socks within 50 miles of here, but you can get a cup of coffee on every block.

  10. guest says:

    Has riverdaughter seen the Daily Show video of the these OWS fools, the uptown, downtown thing? If she did, she might stop talking about OWS with such reverence.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Ever try to tell an Obot the truth about Obama?

      • DandyTiger says:

        Obot: {{fingers in ears, la la la la}} “Racist, Republican ratfucker, Why don’t you support Obama’s jobs bill.”

        OWSbot: {{fingers in ears, la la la la}} “1%’er, Racist, Republican ratfucker. Why don’t you support Obama’s jobs bill.”

        See, completely different.

    • guest says:

      Unless she thinks she is the uptown girl (like the 1%er) with her iPad and higher ed (I was really disappointed when I found out that she does not have a PhD! she acted like she did) telling the street urchins what to think

    • Pips says:

      To me the best part was, when asked if he would share his iPad, one guy’s indignant: But that’s mine! I’m against “private” not “personal”.

  11. guest says:

    LOL!! He is no street urchin but he throws pennies at them.

    …..He claims he chose the W for its convenience, not its luxury.

    “I’m not in the business of throwing money away,” he said. “It’s the only room I could find.”

    And he claims he took care of comrades in less-comfortable digs.

    “I took food to all those churches,” he said. “I got them cigarettes.”

    Occupiers told The Post that they witnessed other General Assembly and group leaders stay in both the W Downtown and the Marriott Hotel — and said that key players were not present when cops stormed Zuccotti.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYuxLGnu7IK#ixzz1eGSnRD00

  12. Susan says:

    What a pile of shit. You don’t allow any dissent here or I wouldn’t have 99% of my posts blocked.

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