“We need more; you have more”

Struggling to stay relevant:

For months, they were the best of neighbors: the slapdash champions of economic equality, putting down stakes in an outdoor plaza, and the venerable Episcopal parish next door, whose munificence helped sustain the growing protest.

But in the weeks since Occupy Wall Street was evicted from Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan, relations between the demonstrators and Trinity Wall Street, a church barely one block from the New York Stock Exchange, have reached a crossroads.

The displaced occupiers had asked the church, one of the city’s largest landholders, to hand over a gravel lot, near Canal Street and Avenue of the Americas, for use as an alternate campsite and organizing hub. The church declined, calling the proposed encampment “wrong, unsafe, unhealthy and potentially injurious.”

And now the Occupy movement, after weeks of targeting big banks and large corporations, has chosen Trinity, one of the nation’s most prominent Episcopal parishes, as its latest antagonist.

“We need more; you have more,” one protester, Amin Husain, 36, told a Trinity official on Thursday, during an impromptu sidewalk exchange between clergy members and demonstrators. “We are coming to you for sanctuary.”

Trinity’s rector, the Rev. James H. Cooper, defended the church’s record of support for the protesters, including not only expressions of sympathy, but also meeting spaces, resting areas, pastoral services, electricity, bathrooms, even blankets and hot chocolate. But he said the church’s lot — called Duarte Square — was not an appropriate site for the protesters, noting that “there are no basic elements to sustain an encampment.”

“Trinity has probably done as much or more for the protesters than any other institution in the area,” Mr. Cooper wrote on his parish Web site. “Calling this an issue of ‘political sanctuary’ is manipulative and blind to reality. Equating the desire to seize this property with uprisings against tyranny is misguided, at best. Hyperbolic distortion drives up petition signatures, but doesn’t make it right.”

As you might guess, the Occupiers went ahead and tried to “occupy” Duarte Square without permission and about thirty of them were arrested while the rest of them watched and whinged.

Let’s get a couple things clear. This was not a group of homeless people in desperate need of shelter. This is a group of protesters looking for some private property where they could stage another semi-permanent camp-out. Of course they don’t want to pay for it (even though they have over $500,000 in the bank) nor do they want to obtain official permission or permits.

Duarte Square is a fenced-in gravel lot. There is no shelter there, nor any running water, electricity nor toilets. It is not public property and the protesters have no legal claim over it or any right to use it.

The Occupiers claim they have no place to protest. THIS IS A LIE!

The Occupiers can protest at Zuccotti Park every single day of the year, from 6 am until 10 pm. They just can’t camp-out over night or set up tents. They can do the same at every public park in New York City.

What is really pathetic is that OWS had a whole month to plan something and this nothing-burger was the best they could come up with.

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21 Responses to “We need more; you have more”

  1. 1539days says:

    The logic is getting pretty twisted now. Even sympathizers have been asking why the movement seems to be all about sleeping in the streets. The Kool-aid drinkers keep arguing that there is some fundamental right to “occupy” any plot of land for any period of time. Ironically, they are many of the same people felt differently about the meaning of occupation when Bush used it about Iraq.

    New York City ain’t cheap. Rent costs money, property costs (tax) money, food costs money and the tents and heaters and other crap costs more there. Some people thought this would end at some point and supported them with free stuff from their restaurants and such. When it didn’t end, they had to stop. That’s when the backlash began.

    That’s the reality about OWS. They only fight against Wall Street rhetorically. Do they want their money? Do they want regulation? Who knows. They refuse to say. What we see are the endless fights with police, the 99% of attacks on Republicans and the 1% of attacks on Democrats. Mostly, they bite the hands that feed them. That’s why they look like spoiled children. Children rebel against the parents who give them everything they need but not everything they want.

  2. myiq2xu says:

    Here’s links to the unofficial Zuccotti books:



    Lot’s of red flags on the expenditures. As for donations they don’t show any cash donations. I remember reading about people collecting several thousand $$ per day from passerbys and tourists.

  3. Lulu says:

    It is finally dawning on most that you cannot please them. Ever. No one can do enough, give enough, placate enough, enough enough. It is the bottomless pit of entitlement, anger, and hate. They are biting the hand that feeds them literally at the church. They want anarchy. They are also quite stupid and incapable of listening.

    • Lulu says:

      There is going to be an investigation of who let them camp in DC and why. Who allowed them to tear up a park and why? And the city council wants the feds to reimburse them. Why unless the TPTB told them to let them camp out and now are expected to pay for it?
      “But Gray sent a testy letter to the Park Service on Friday, saying the city had not been consulted in the decision making about the camps and also asking for the federal reimbursement.
      “On behalf of the District of Columbia, I am requesting a full and complete reimbursement for all costs,” Gray wrote. “Our citizens cannot be expected to pay for a consequence in which they had no say.”
      Why would the park service allow this unless told to do so by the WH? And now they are persons of the year.

    • Pips says:

      Agree with everything you said, Lulu!

      Actually “Entitlement” seems to be the keyword and paramount sentiment in everything they do, say and … demand!

  4. yttik says:

    “We need more; you have more”

    So do they support wars for oil, resources, land? They certainly seem to support moving in and colonizing other people’s property.

  5. DandyTiger says:

    The most misguided, pathetic excuse for a protest I’ve ever seen. This effort towards the church epitomizes how sad and pathetic and wrong headed they are. Sad as hell.

    • 1539days says:

      It’s the Obama of protests. Well-off ingrates who have been praised and coddled by everyone they know so long that they no longer believe they are capable of error.

    • DandyTiger says:

      What’s really sad are the ones that understand there is an issue to protest, but have hitched their wagon to that group. OWS was very well designed to distract and to focus a pile of people who would otherwise have been focused on primarying or at least protesting Obama. Instead they protest churches, parks, citizens of NYC, and other bystanders who have nothing to do with anything. And they spend their time gang rapping, harassing, regular raping, violence, distraction, crapping in public, etc., etc. How could otherwise intelligent people so easily get led down that path? Kool-aid is a hellofa drug.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        powerful stuff. 🙄

      • Mary says:

        But, but, but….Dandy….

        The Red Queen says it’s all Trinity’s fault, cuz they’ve lost sight of what it means to be Christian.

        (Barf bag)

        • yttik says:

          Isn’t it bizarre that people who think being a Christian is a bad thing, are the first ones to criticize Christians for doing it wrong? Darn it all people, pick a position and stay there.

          Seriously, I’m so confused. Someone will claim that being a Christian allegedly means to be deluded, self-serving, and anti-science, and then they’ll turn around and complain that somebody isn’t acting with proper Christian values! What values would those be?? You just said Christians have no values and are deluded!!

        • 1539days says:

          It worries me when a grown woman decides that her parent is dumb or easily manipulated because they watch Fox News. When you’re an adult, you are supposed to get past the adolescent view that your parents are dumb. They can still embarrass you, sure, but people rarely become some brainiac above the human race.

        • Mary says:

          Some of us grow past the adolescent view, and some of us don’t, eh?

          Nuff said. 🙂

        • myiq2xu says:

          I generally don’t make fun of religions and she has found a new one.

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  7. stan chaz says:

    You don’t even need to be religious to understand -and embrace- the idea that “Whatsoever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” But many in the 1%, in their blind greed and endless schemes, have forgotten and closed their eyes to this, and to what the word “society” should really mean. Because of Occupy Wall Street, we are finally talking less about CUTS and more about BLEEDING. Instead of demanding m-o-r-e budget cuts -to be borne by the middle class and poor- we are FINALLY focusing on the shameful bleeding that the poor and middle class has endured for all too long. Instead of talking about even m-o-r-e cuts in the taxes of millionaires….we are now talking about fairness and justice – about an economy and a political system that is increasingly run for the rich, and by the rich. Instead of talking about LESS government, we are talking about a government that WORKS FOR ALL OF US, not just a favored few. Thank you OWS, for reminding us that people -ordinary working people- really DO matter, and for helping open our eyes to what’s really going on in this country. Trinity Church should look deep into its collective soul, do the right thing, and help OWS. If Christ were physically among us today, as He was 2000 years ago, He would be among the FIRST to climb those fences, and occupy Trinity’s Duarte Square. Of this I am certain… 

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