I predict pigs will fly first

Robert Reich:

My Political Prediction for 2012: It’s Obama-Clinton

My political prediction for 2012 (based on absolutely no inside information): Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden swap places. Biden becomes Secretary of State — a position he’s apparently coveted for years. And Hillary Clinton, Vice President.

So the Democratic ticket for 2012 is Obama-Clinton.

Why do I say this? Because Obama needs to stir the passions and enthusiasms of a Democratic base that’s been disillusioned with his cave-ins to regressive Republicans. Hillary Clinton on the ticket can do that.

Moreover, the economy won’t be in superb shape in the months leading up to Election Day. Indeed, if the European debt crisis grows worse and if China’s economy continues to slow, there’s a better than even chance we’ll be back in a recession. Clinton would help deflect attention from the bad economy and put it on foreign policy, where she and Obama have shined.

The deal would also make Clinton the obvious Democratic presidential candidate in 2016 — offering the Democrats a shot at twelve (or more) years in the White House, something the Republicans had with Ronald Reagan and the first George Bush but which the Democrats haven’t had since FDR. Twelve years gives the party in power a chance to reshape the Supreme Court as well as put an indelible stamp on America.

According to the latest Gallup poll, the duo are this year’s most admired man and woman This marks the fourth consecutive win for Obama while Clinton has been the most admired woman in each of the last 10 years. She’s topped the list 16 times since 1993, exceeding the record held by former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, who topped the list 13 times.

Obama-Clinton in 2012. It’s a natural.

I ain’t voting for any ticket with Barack Obama on it, no matter how many reach-arounds they promise me.

NObama – No way!

My rebuttal

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84 Responses to I predict pigs will fly first

  1. Jeffhas says:

    Yep, they lost me…. Put her on top or I won’t be back.

  2. guest says:

    No way!

    But somewhere in the back of my mind there is a thought that she might just do it — to save her party, to have that title be hers and Democrats’ first for the history books (assuming they win), for the good of the country, and on and on. I hope I am wrong because it would be humiliating if she did that.

    This comment on the article at the Businessinsider.com caught my eye:
    Rhianna is our Shakespeare on Dec 28, 7:40 PM said:
    Put Hilary at the top of the ticket and I’m in! I used to hate her, but I actually really like her now. She is a professional, and she stood by Bill Clinton. An honorable wife, not one of these sleazy sluts like Tiger Wood’s “wife” and Kobe Bryant’s “wife”. She stood by her man, I would vote for her in a heartbeat now. Excellent, professional job as Secretary of State. I’m now a big Hilary backer, I bet a lot of other people who hated her before like her now. She did a good job, unlike Congress or the current President.

  3. Betty says:

    You can also add my old arthritic hand flipping the bird to your image and that idea.

  4. yttik says:

    People who say this kind of thing have no respect for Hillary as a human being and a great leader. They just want to use her as a tool to keep Obama in office. I’m tired of that bullshit. Obama sucks and he’s driving our country into a ditch. There aren’t enough czars we can hire, VP’s we can appoint, to try and cover up for his incompetence.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Also, wouldn’t HRC as VP be dangerous for Obama? I always like to think of Biden as his life insurance /sarc.

    And NO WAY should Biden be SOS. Or the drooling John Kerry waiting in the wings…….

    • guest says:

      They can drool all they want but I think the SoS will go to Samantha Power or that other Rice. Obama will relish throwing them under the bus.

  6. Fuck Robert and the horse he rode in on. That would be sad, pathetic, and lame. And it wouldn’t work even. I won’t vote for that corrupt bastard or current party machine even if pigs flew by my window as a sign. Nope, you pigs can fly all you want, I ain’t going to do it.

    But these predictions are interesting in that they all hint at a problem they know is out there, but they’re scared to death to talk about openly. That there is a significant part of the “old Dem coalition” that might not vote for Obama in ’12. I suspect some internal polling is showing them something a bit scary. And you better believe the MSM will never mention it either since it doesn’t benefit the corrupt party machines they support.

    Popcorn time. As much as I don’t care about either party or likely candidates who while be running, I’m hoping for some meltdowns and crap flying, and with any luck, a voting population who is fed up enough to mess with their heads and make them explode.

  7. I join the salute! BOTH hands! Fuck obama, axelrove, biden and the whole lot of them! There are no old Gaelic curses strong enough to express my wishes toward them.
    NOBAMA! Not voting for ANY ticket he is on. GRRRRRRR.

  8. soupcity says:

    I second your rebuttal. Wow, she’ll “deflect attention” from the bad economy. Even someone as competent as she couldn’t do that. Put her on top, kick this loser to the curb, and maybe instead of deflecting, she could actually solve a few problems. The ONLY reason Obama has “shined” on foreign policy is because his hands are pretty much off of it. Insulting as hell, Reich.

    • fif says:

      Seriously–he’s playing golf and taking vacations, and she has traveled over 350,000 miles, brokered complex negotiations, and undoubtedly offered him the best advice he’s received. That’s Obama though: he’s all about taking credit for other people’s work (and deflecting responsibility for all failures).

  9. Democratic National Committee
    430 S. Capitol St. SE
    Washington, DC 20003

    Dear Madam Chair,
    Float all the trial balloons you want, from as many “respected” ‘Democrats’ as you can find. The disgusting thought of the most qualified Democrat, Secretary of State Clinton, being on a ticket with the man who was carried over the finish line and used delegates stolen from her in the primary in which she won the most votes is just that- disgusting.
    I AM NOT voting for ANY ticket that has Barack Obama on it. Not in 08, not in 2012, NOT EVER!
    Get him OFF the ticket and replace him with the woman who actually WON the 08 primaries if you expect me to ever vote for the party of my parents and grandparents again.
    An OLD coalition Democrat

  10. Lola-at-Large says:

    I doubt she’d do it, first of all. This is just Reich’s male privilege speaking for her, not to her. That said, if she were on the ticket, odious as I would find it, I would vote for that ticket. I’ll do anything to break the glass ceiling, even vote for Obama. And Hillary is my first choice to break it.

    • guest says:

      I’ll do anything to break the glass ceiling, even vote for Obama. And Hillary is my first choice to break it.

      I won’t fault you for thinking that but this is what the Obama crooks are counting on. At some level I fear Hillary thinking that too — VP better than nothing.

      • trixta says:

        Yes, she’ll break the glass ceiling technically, but they would only give BO all the credit and not her. I can just hear it: “If BO hadn’t put her on the ticket she would never be President.” In other words, she owes her success to a man.

        Basically, all this talk about VP is to keep her from challenging BO for the Presidency. They also want the Clintons to campaign for BO so that he can continue to take more vacations and give the occasional “historic” speech. Also, they want her to be BO’s Cheney (i.e. acting President).

        And that TIME cover of BO/HRC morphed is meant to smear Hillary!

        F^&%K THEM ALL!

        • Jadzia says:

          I agree with all of this but must note that I think the “she owes her success to a man” meme is something that Hillary Clinton could overcome. Because didn’t we used to hear that about her (I’m thinking primarily during her Senate run)? Now, not so much–her brilliant performance as Senator and now SOS so clearly puts the lie to any claim that she’s riding a man’s coattails that I don’t think such a charge would seriously stick.

        • Three Wickets says:

          As much as I like and respect Bill, Hillary would have made a stronger President for these times. She was always many times more capable than Obama. She was by far the strongest candidate in 2008 who happened to be a woman. The mainstream media and their backers beat her because the mainstream media doesn’t do women candidates running for national office.

    • yttik says:

      I’d do anything to break that glass ceiling, too, but I think another stumbling block in this little plan is Obama’s ego. He could never humble himself enough to allow Hillary to prop him up as VP. He can hardly stand her popularity right now and most of the time, she’s halfway around the world.

      Can you imagine Obama and Hillary coming out together on stage and people chanting HER name? He’d give himself a stroke.

    • honora says:

      And of course, if Obama/Clinton lost , it would be Hillary’s fault. She is so divisive. But if Obama/Clinton won, then if would be because he was such a feminist. No one votes for the VP!

      • Very good point. It’s a lose-lose situation for Hillary and for women in many ways.

        • Pips says:

          It’s a lose-lose situation for Hillary and for women in many ways.

          That’s how I see it too. If she (if offered) were to take that position – the more experienced woman once again taking a backseat to, while simultaniously propping up the lesser male – she would, in my view not only betray herself and what she stands for with regard to women, but also women as a whole. At least that’s how I would feel.

      • myiq2xu says:

        If Obama/Whoever loses it will be Hillary’s fault for not taking the VP job.

        • Hadn’t thought of that. Of course you’re right. No matter how it happens, if Obama loses, somehow it will be Hillary’s fault. If she’s the VP choice, too divisive, if she isn’t, if only she had been the VP, then Obama would have won. Burn the witch…

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        I voted for VP last time. Look, I understand all objections stated, but I am what I am, and that is a total feminist. And a Hillary supporter. And I own my vote. I’ll cast it for a woman every chance I get.

        • Karma says:

          And that’s the beauty of being here. No one was expecting to change your mind or your vote when musing over the situation. Most here are of the mind that she would never take it…but…gasp…what if she did? It just made me ponder the whole thing even more.

          Either way, I can’t remember you ever not having that stance of voting for a woman every chance possible.

        • Lola-at-Large says:

          Agree with that about the beauty of being here. And thanks for recognizing my dogged pursuit of the election of females. I vote for va-jay-jays. 😉

        • gxm17 says:

          LaL, I love your commitment to women candidates and admire your standing firm in the face of a tough call.

          I’m a gynocrat too and am hoping the Greens put a woman at the top of the ticket…again.

        • soupcity says:

          Yes! Like you and Karma said, It’s all good at TCH.

        • jjmtacoma says:

          I don’t know what I would do – it would be a difficult decision and pretty much purely based on my gut feel for the whole thing. I will vote for a woman if there is one available on any ticket in any position.

    • Karma says:

      I understand the reasoning, especially since she’s the most qualified to be Pres, but Obama would take every opportunity to embarrass her. Not sure I could vote for that situation, as SOS she is somewhat protected from his attempts to undermine her. But as VP, she’s his glorified gopher. Forced to make speech after speech about how great he is, and how great that impulse program he thought of yesterday, then rightfully got slammed for in the press, and pulled out of today, is doing. Too painful to watch, but I do understand that desire to break it.

      On a related note, the Today Show was doing the memorials for the year and showed Geraldine Ferraro’s pic. Of course, to most, she represents that moment in history as being the VP candidate, and the media used to elaborate on that point every time she was mentioned. But to Obots, she is a racist, and the historic VP candidate is second in their minds. You could see it on the face of the ‘news’ woman reading the script for her memorial mention. Sigh, truth is lost and Obama’s smear is truth.

  11. honora says:

    Mitt Romney leads Obama 45%- 39% in latest poll. “Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date.”

    The DNC better do something and do it fast.

  12. Bottom line, I believe Hillary when she said first she absolutely isn’t interested in the VP job. And second, I believe her when she said she was retiring from political life in ’12.

    I suspect the D’s are scared shitless that Romney will select a woman for VP, and with any woman, they fear they could lose the woman vote, or at least enough of it to make a difference. So they are testing the waters for a possible change. I also suspect they just assume Hillary would say yes if they pushed because, you know, she’s just a woman.

    • guest says:

      It will definitely be a woman. The Rs are hungry for the title of first woman president (notwithstanding how Palin was treated). Watch for Rice as VP with Romney. But what would a 3 person waving at the crowds campaign pic look like? That could be a problem.

      • Rice, now that would be an interesting choice. I’d guess a latina woman myself. But Rice would be interesting too.

        And with the numbers honora just listed above, either would make the new Dem coalition pee itself. 🙂

      • fif says:

        They floated Rice this week, and that would cut into two of his critical voting blocks–women and African Americans. Cue the Jaws music…

  13. fif says:

    I saw this yesterday, and it’s pure conjecture. Notice he starts with: (based on absolutely no inside information). They are desperate, knowing they’ve got a loser in the White House. Too late.

    • Lulu says:

      Rasmussen has Mittens 45% and Obama 39%. He fell into the thirties before 2012. This is why they are fudging the polls and oversampling Democrats. He is now in the thirties. Before 2012. While on vacation when he usually creeps up a little. Incredibly bad.

  14. DandyTiger says:

    OT: I”ve been laughing about the most admired list being talked about lately. The big news of that list of course is that first and foremost, the first lady isn’t number one or even two. That’s very unusual.

    And the second big news is that amazingly enough, a woman that has been out of politics as a candidate for three years is still up there in the number 4 slot, only down one spot from last year. That’s Sarah Palin of course.

    But how is the MSM spinning that. They’re spinning it that poor, poor Palin is slipping in the polls and more and more irrelevant. At number 4, one below the first lady, she’s irrelevant. Every news story that mentioned the list that I’ve seen, along with mentioning Palin’s position, mentions that it’s down one from last year. Every single one. Cracks me up.

    And of course Hillary is number one on the women’s list. What a thorn in the side of Michelle she must be. Poor baby.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I don’t think Michelle likes the Clintons. Didn’t she want to scratch Bill’s eyes out at one time ? Though I would love to see that discomfort when MO and Second Dude Bill go out and have baby showers for military wives 😉

  15. DeniseVB says:

    Shhhhhhhhhh…..smuggling some propaganda in via Beckistan….this is no way an endorsement of the Beckistani’s….just found it interesting, discuss?


    (interesting tidbit, Beck’s paid internet subscribers are more than the combined total of Oprah and Current t.v. watchers….combined.)

  16. Three Wickets says:

    If she joins the ticket on the bottom, I might work harder to make sure Obama loses, if that’s possible. They don’t get it. DNC and the liberal media fucked her in 2008. The nation had its chance. She won’t be saving anyone’s ass in 2012 or 2016. She’s done the SoS job mainly because she cares about global issues in these uncertain times, not because she wanted to help Obama or the Democratic Party.

  17. DeniseVB says:

    Just to clarify, we’re talking about Susan Rice, not Condeleeza, right?

    Rumormills have Condi running as VP with the GOP candidate.

    • catarina says:

      Condi will be bored shitless as VP.
      And she’ll clash with Romney.
      Could be fun.

    • DandyTiger says:

      I don’t think Susan is well known enough for that. So the rumors are about Condi. Interesting as they are, I just don’t see it. Both because I don’t think she’s interested, and I don’t think that team would work. But it’s an interesting trial balloon. I’d go with a latino, either man or woman. But woman would be better.

    • We’re talking about Condi as veep while Susan Rice is likely to be on the short list to replace Hillary as Secretary of State.

  18. foxyladi14 says:

    Popcorn time. 😆

  19. foxyladi14 says:

    if Hill is the top I will vote for her. 🙂

  20. DeniseVB says:

    O.M.F.G. One of my favorite daily reads is WHD. This is what happens when Drudge links to a blog……..


    A dozen or so comments to 700+.

    • Lulu says:

      It is like that on every negative article about Obama now. People held their vitriol but not any longer. The WP article on Solyndra that they tried to slip in on Christmas day had about 3000 almost totally negative remarks in hours. The backlash against the Obama administration is building and even rigged polls are showing it.

  21. catarina says:

    If Hillary was on the Dem ticket as VP…and Condi the GOP VP…
    no way

  22. kc says:

    Just read Reich–and I think he’s usually right about the economy, but not now.

    The D’s have dumped on Hillary enough–I’d only vote if she were the top of the ticket, otherwise–I’ll vote for any slime bucket to keep him from being re-elected.

  23. Three Wickets says:

  24. Why would Hillary waste four years of her life carrying Obama’s diaper bag? Some say it would pave the way for a 2016 run, but she doesn’t need veep for that. There are a lot of things she could do between 2012 and 2016– humanitarian work, TV gigs, writing books, think tanking, giving speeches, teaching grad school, and basically just being Hillary the way Cher is Cher and Madonna is Madonna. As Secretary of State, Hillary has a lot of autonomy and a huge platform, which she uses to promote the issues she is passionate about. As veep, Hillary would be caged and muzzled. And I can’t imagine Bill going along with it. Not that I think he tells Hillary how to run her life, but this is the kind of major life decision where a husband and wife need to be on the same page.

    I’m still holding out hope for Hillary 2012. Obviously, Obama’s surrogates believe he’s too weak to stand on his own or else they wouldn’t be floating these veep memes.

    • Lulu says:

      Someone is always supposed to bail his entitled ass out of trouble. Always. It is the story of his life. I do want Obama personally to ask her. Then Hill AND Bill show up at the WH, march into his conference room, and tell him to go fuck himself.

  25. Mark says:

    No Way! No How! Never! Top of the ticket or Not at all..2008 was stolen from her by the DNC

  26. gxm17 says:

    I fervently hope the Clintons stay completely out of the 2012 campaign. If the Obamaluvapalooza Traveling Circus Rainbow Pony and Medicine Show drags them out on the campaign trail again, I will be beyond pissed.

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