Losing hearts and minds

Marines Face Potential Prosecution for Video Desecrating Corpses

At least two U.S. Marines face potential prosecution for urinating on Afghan corpses in a video that spread globally, complicating U.S. talks with the Taliban.

The Marine Corps has identified two of the four Marines depicted in the video with the corpses of three Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, a Marine Corps official said.

The two men, part of a sniper unit from Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, served in Afghanistan last year from March to September, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is under investigation. The other two Americans in the video have since left the unit and haven’t been identified, the official said.

The video comes as a blow to a Marine Corps that prides itself on a reputation for rectitude, said Jack Hoban, who was a Marine officer and now teaches ethics courses to Marines.

“We’re all universally disgusted by it and ashamed,” Hoban, the president of Resolution Group International LLC of Spring Lake, New Jersey, said in an interview.

While training teaches Marines to respect all life, “people under stress sometimes do things that are counter to their training and their ethics, particularly when they’re young,” he said.


We won the war in Afghanistan a long time ago. Part of the reason we’re still there is because we don’t want that nation to revert to a terrorist homeland as soon as we leave.

Things like this don’t help.

If you don’t think this is a big deal, just look at the picture below of the body of U.S. Staff Sgt. William David Cleveland being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu.

How do you feel now?



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48 Responses to Losing hearts and minds

  1. votermom says:

  2. votermom says:

    Of course, just like with Abu G., I am sure the lefty bloggers will say that the CiC is ultimately accountable for this, right? Right?

    • myiq2xu says:

      I wouldn’t advocate for anyone to be punished severely.

      What they did was wrong but not exactly criminal.

      • No, they’re idiots, and they’ve hurt diplomacy efforts, and did I mention they’re idiots, but I wouldn’t really punish them for it. Maybe dope slap them on the head. Twice.

        • ProudArmyWife says:

          I would just smack the back of their hand and say carry on.

          BTW, my husband was in Mogadishu with Cleveland. He was a good man.

  3. yttik says:

    This kind of behavior is appalling and they should be held accountable, but I’m more angry at the armchair warriors who are bloviating about this on TV and sitting in judgment. You don’t get to sit back safely here at home and mock and ridicule them, and then exploit the issue farther to try and prove what? That America is evil? That the troops are bad? I don’t know what the hell they’re carrying on about and trying to prove, but it’s not okay. War is hell and sometimes people do bad things.That’s not surprising, it’s not unusual, its a feature of war.

  4. votermom says:

    Self-degrading and bone-headed.
    I do wonder if there was a lack of discipline that led to this – if so , maybe it’s the CO that has some questions to answer. Soldiers do rely a lot on the chain of command to keep them on the straight & narrow.

  5. foxyladi14 says:

    it is a sad thing.

    • myiq2xu says:

      “The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

      “As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

      ITA

  6. DeniseVB says:

    The usual anti-war suspects are quiet (code pink, et al). Shouldn’t they be calling for the frog-marching of this administration too?

    War is hell, isn’t it? 😦

    • It has been an interesting 3 or so years that while Obama started 4 more wars we haven’t had any protests. And if Mitt gets in with just the very same wars going on, something tells me we’ll get protests again. Pathetic.

  7. HELENK says:

    as far as winning hearts and minds
    they are not our friends and will never be our friend.

    Was what the marines did, it was wrong and not worthy of them.
    Should they be disciplined for disgracing the uniform ? yes

    • yttik says:

      Our leaders voted to detain people without charges, our leaders sent us to war,our leaders ramped up the hysteria and fear mongering. Along comes some lowly troops in a war zone, reacting under pressure and reflecting some of the attitudes of our leadership, and everybody freaks out. I mean, try explaining this kind of “morality” to a visitor from another planet. It’s not okay to urinate on dead people. However, it is okay to water board and torture living people, to order the execution of two US citizens, to detain people indefinitely, to wage a decades long war and spend trillions of dollars, to send in unmanned drones,…..

      • myiq2xu says:

        Just because we don’t always live up to the standards we set for ourselves doesn’t mean we should throw out the standards.

        • yttik says:

          I love our standards. What I don’t like is our twisted morality. Some people want to charge these guys with war crimes. Not the politicians who sent them, not the people who voted to keep funding the war, not the people who lied about why we needed a war in the first place, but these particular guys should allegedly be charged with war crimes. Give me a break.

        • votermom says:

          Only the peons are held accountable.

  8. DandyTiger says:

    Fed. judge ruled against Perry on Va ballot. Oh goodie, I get to chose between Paul and Romney. I’m definitely voting for Paul. Well, that was an easy decision.

    • yttik says:

      LOL! Hey, try not to completely screw up this election before it finally reaches the west coast, will you? Ah, never mind. They cancelled our primary anyway. I think we get to have a couple of small caucuses in obscure locations sometime after the decision has already been made.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Rick Perry

      Ron Paul

      Two candidates, four first names.

    • votermom says:

      I hope VA votes ABR.

    • votermom says:

      DT, what are the write-in rules for VA, do you know?

      • DandyTiger says:

        No write-ins for primaries. There some noise about trying to change those rules. I’m not sure about the general though.

        • votermom says:

          So what happened – did the other candidates just mess up with signature gathering or were the rules changed?

        • DandyTiger says:

          The practice is if you have 15,000 or more signatures, they don’t bother to check anything. If you have less, they check. The rules are that you must have 10,000 valid signatures, and among those you must have some minimum number from each county. Don’t remember the number. Newt and Perry had more than 10,000 signatures, but less than 15,000, so they checked, and they found some invalid signatures. Too many.

          One of the legal issues I think Perry went after was that it’s inherently not fair to only check if you’re under 15,000. I don’t know why that approach didn’t work because it does sound bad. Maybe they just said, screw you, it’s a private party, they can count or not count any way they like. I didn’t check the details of the ruling.

  9. Lots to say but I get so angry. Agree that there should be punishments- but war crimes? Forget it. I am quite sure the Taliban would do a lot worse if they caught one of our troops. Especially our female troops. Who are now made to have muslim acceptable head coverings to wear with their Kevlar helmets before they deploy.
    Winning hearts and minds- PFFFFTTTT. Why in hell would anybody want to be friends with men who throw acid in a girls face for having the temerity to want an education? To be friends with men who burn down girls schools- with the girls in them? We want to win the hearts and minds of barbarians that bury women up to their necks and stone them?
    No thanks.

  10. Karma says:

    Obama brings back Candidate-Me-too. He proposes closing a govt agency, the Commerce Department.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-obama-reformtre80c0sa-20120113,0,823142.story

  11. myiq2xu says:

    Now here’s a protest I would be up for:

  12. HELENK says:

    this is the second time I have seen this.
    When coming back from Phila, at the airport, people taking off shoes,including military having to take off combat boots. Women wearing muslim headgear inspecting carryon luggage and shoes and anything in pockets that had to be put in a tray.
    Gee one day you are in the field being shot at or worrying about being killed by IEDs and the next the day you are being inspected by the people of the same religion that wants to kill you.

    • yttik says:

      I know! Where I live they have Pakistani trucking contractors hauling stuff onto the military base. They could be the nicest people in the world for all I know, but it’s still disconcerting. Why are we employing foreign workers from countries we are at war with and giving them access to our military bases?

    • votermom says:

      That reminds me – I can not understand why some American women convert to Islam. It boggles my mind. (I can understand being born to it, but picking it?)

  13. churl says:

    Remember Pearl? Beheading on video? Does pee compare?

  14. Three Wickets says:

    Just as an exercise, I would like to see Glenn Greenwald or Code Pink or Noam Chomsky or FDL muster up one tenth the hate and outrage they direct at American service men and women in active warzones and direct it at Al Qaeda and other medieval extremist groups seeking our individual or collective “annihilation”. I bet they can’t. They are more invested emotionally in the captives at Gitmo than by the victims of Fort Hood or god forbid our troops in the trenches and active firing lines.

    • Three Wickets says:

      A lifetime of being an FDR and social liberal, a proud Clinton Democrat, and you know who’s driving me away from the left…Hillary bashing Obots and Chomsky Progressives.

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