Hillary vs. Obama

Over at Reclusive Leftist, Violet addresses The Question whether Hillary would have done anything differently than Obama:

Hillary Clinton has never compromised on reproductive rights. In every situation, on every vote, in every speech, she has been firm about women’s right to control their own reproductive health. Her universal healthcare plan from the early 90s (“Hillarycare”) included coverage for abortion, and her refusal to compromise on that point is one reason the plan went down in flames. And that was abortion. It is beyond belief that she would offer up a needless compromise on contraception.

As for saying a nice thing about Doug Coe, again, you have to look at Hillary’s life and career. Is there any evidence that she is a secret godbag out to impose Dominionism on the country? Has anything in her life suggested that? Have any of her political stances suggested that? Did she do that as Senator? Is she doing that as Secretary of State?

No. Hillary Clinton is a Democrat, a progressive, and a feminist. She’s also a Methodist, with a quiet personal liberal-Christian faith. That’s who she is.

Obama, on the other hand, has spent his whole career avoiding taking stands on any topic that is the least bit controversial. He voted “present” (rather than “yes” or “no”) 129 times while a state senator in Illinois. He was against the war in Iraq in 2002, then said his position on Iraq wasn’t much different from George Bush’s in 2004. In 2007 he was against the war again, but as president he followed in Bush’s footsteps.

He attended a church for twenty years but paid no attention to the sermons. He hung out with crooks and radicals when it was helpful to his career, but tossed them under the bus and got amnesia when those friendships became problematic.

The only consistency in Obama’s whole career has been doing what was good for Obama’s career. Everything else is negotiable.

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19 Responses to Hillary vs. Obama

  1. DandyTiger says:


  2. crawdad says:

    I like Reclusive Leftist. I’m glad to see that Violet is posting regularly again.

  3. HELENK says:

    Hillary looks tired lately. cleaning up after backtrack is a lot of heavy lifting. In one way I am sorry she took the job because she will be associated with him as a low point in her history. In another way I am glad she took the job because with all the anti-american losers he has picked for his cabinets, she at least looks out for America.

    When she retires, I wish her GodSpeed and a well earned rest and good life. I thank her for what she has done and really wish things had turned out differently for her and for us

    this is a comment that I wrote at NO Quarter. There is a story about Hillary and how she still looks out for women.

    There are many differences between backtrack and Hillary

    un-american – lazy – uses people and discards them, born under a one way sign. – the worst enemy of my country and put in position to do the most harm by the democrats

    Pro American- hard-working – looks out for people – would have been one of the best things that could of happened to this country if the democratic party had not knifed her in the back

    • myiq2xu says:

      One of the few areas of the Obama administration that has not been a total disaster has been foreign policy.

      The smartest move Obama ever made was appointing Hillary as SofS

  4. JeanLouise says:

    Obama has no core beliefs or values and he has folded at the least sign of opposition. In fact, he’s, sometimes, folded as an opening move! How can anyone who’s followed Hillary’s career question for a moment that she whether she would have been an immeasurably better POTUS than the ignorant fool the DNC stuck us with in 2008?

  5. Lulu says:

    “The securities, dated 1934, were held in three large trunks stored at a Zurich trust company. It is believed to be the largest ever seizure of fake Treasury bonds. US officials in Italy confirmed that the bonds were counterfeit but declined to comment further.”

    Six trillion in bonds dated 1934 in a few trunks in Zurich. Why do I think most Swiss banks are criminal enterprises?

  6. DandyTiger says:

    There seems to be a movement afoot to get Hillary to take over as head of the world bank. That would be interesting.

  7. Three Wickets says:

    Hillary would have prioritized main street ahead of wall street for the economy. Obama has done the reverse. On foreign policy, Obama has basically followed Hillary. On social issues, Hillary would have done more for minorities, for women, for gays. She always marched with Pride, Obama hid in the gym during Pride. Hillary is a liberal. Obama is first and last a flip flopping sellout politician who will do and say whatever’s necessary to win elections. The only big difference between Obama and Romney is that if Romney wins 2012, a Democrat will have a better shot in 2016 (someone other than Hillary). If Obama wins 2012, a two term Republican is a shoo-in for 2016.

    • Three Wickets says:

      There’s nothing like a good recession or depression to put into clear relief that supply side Republican economic policies are mainly good for rich people. Obama has been very good for rich people…and he still gets to run against one percent Mitt. Neat trick, give him credit for that. No one is looking after the middle class or working people in this country anymore. Our politicians say they are, but it’s mostly bullshit. Survival of the richest is the game.

      • Three Wickets says:

        On Violet’s post, the male political class has always fanned the flames, polarized, divided and conquered the women’s vote to maintain power. Why would we expect different under Obama. Look at the remaining Repub candidates and Obama. As far as women’s empowerment goes, we might as well be back in the 50s, or earlier.

  8. angienc says:

    As I wrote over at Violet’s: the only people who say that Hillary would have been/done the same as Obama on anything (not just women’s rights) are either (1) lying to themselves so they can sleep at night or (2) completely ignorant about Hillary’s life-long record & career. Whatever the case, I have no use for them.

    • Erica says:

      Ditto, and it’s stunning to me how many people still think he’s doing a good job.

      In fact, just recently a friend of mine said the only real reason people are upset about Obama is that secretely they are racist. My head just about exploded. This was a lesbian, originally a Hillary supporter, now saying that kind of crap. It was interesting though, in that her statements reflect the memes going around at Huffpo and similar sites.

      It’s like reverse GI transit: crap gets spewed by the B0 media, and 12 hours later non-thinking B0 supporters are mouthing the same lies.

    • gxm17 says:

      Amen, angienc!

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