Barking up the wrong tree


Via Ace of Spades:

Va. investigates voter fraud

Results of an ongoing Virginia State Police investigation of voter registration irregularities from the 2008 general election may signal a more significant voter fraud issue than some state lawmakers realized.

As Virginia legislators hotly debated a voter ID bill that narrowly passed the General Assembly, many were unaware of a state police investigation that, so far, has resulted in charges against 38 people statewide for voter fraud. Warrants have been obtained for a 39th person who can’t be located.

A majority of those cases already have resulted in convictions, and 26 additional cases are still being actively investigated nearly 3½ years after the state Board of Elections forwarded more than 400 voter and election fraud allegations from 62 cities and counties to Virginia State Police for individual investigation.

“We believe these complaints ran the gamut from voter registration fraud issues through potential fraud at the polling place on Election Day,” said Donald Palmer, secretary of the Virginia Board of Elections, who was appointed by Gov. Bob McDonnell in February 2011. “We do not have specific numbers on how the complaints broke down. However, (the state board of elections) is aware that arrests have been made over the past few years for individuals engaging in voter registration fraud.”

Palmer added that recent indictments obtained by the Richmond commonwealth’s attorney’s office for voter fraud and the results of the state police investigation “remind us that unfortunately, fraud does exist in Virginia’s elections.”

Many opponents of the voter ID law maintained that there was no evidence of widespread election fraud in Virginia, and the law would suppress the vote of minorities and others who don’t have adequate identification. About 3.7 million Virginians voted in the 2008 election.

Richmond had by far the largest number of voter-fraud cases opened by state police — 124 — followed by Fairfax County with 37, Chesterfield and Prince William counties with 20 each, Alexandria with 19, Henrico with 17 and Petersburg with 13, according to state police data requested by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

A total of 194 cases statewide where police determined a violation likely occurred have been closed because the commonwealth’s attorneys in those localities declined to prosecute those individuals, police said.


For years the Democrats have been telling us to oppose voter identification laws because they claim they are unnecessary and racist. They claim they are racist because people of color are more likely to be poor and poor people are more likely to lack the requisite identification needed to vote under the proposed voter ID laws. But official identification remains cheap and easy to obtain for the vast majority of people and even welfare recipients need such identification to obtain benefits.

The Democrats also claim that voter ID laws are unnecessary because voter fraud is extremely rare. Now it turns out that may not be the case. I’m one of those people who prefers data to anecdotal evidence, but if voter fraud is not being investigated and/or prosecuted, where will accurate data come from?

I think the Democrats are barking up the wrong tree. As long as the laws provide adequate alternative ways that proper identification can be obtained by all eligible voters, what’s the hang-up?

Instead of showing us examples of eligible voters who can’t obtain ID they should spend their time and energy figuring out how to get it for them.


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49 Responses to Barking up the wrong tree

  1. driguana says:

    Not only barking up the wrong tree but, perhaps, barking the wrong bark! I’ve just been reading about the Kennedy/Nixon election and the voter fraud that occurred in Chicago at the hand of Mayor Daley and is now pretty accurately validated…..astounding. Try to tell a Democrat that maybe Kennedy didn’t actually win the election!!!

  2. WMCB says:

    The Dems, by their vehement insistence that voter ID not be enacted, reveal that fraud is likely happening – a lot.

    Because 74% of the public, including a majority of minorities, want voter ID. The Dems would not take such a harsh and decidedly unpopular stance if they had no advantage to protect. Fraud needn’t be endemic and widespread to be effective. I would bet that it’s targeted at specific districts to tip balances here and there.

    I like the response of twitter pundit The Black Republican. She says she indignantly shouts out “Jim Crow! Jim Crow!!” every time she has to buy Sudafed.

    Voter ID in the era when photo ID was harder to come by, and large swathes of the poor population had none, was discriminatory. In today’s society, it is not. ID is almost a requirement to even function in modern society. Almost everyone has ID, and it is not difficult at all for those few that have none to get it.

    The Dems are stuck in 1964. Or they are hiding something. Take yer pick.

  3. WMCB says:

    I would also add that the Democratic Party may want to keep out ID requirements as much for their own primary process as for general elections.

  4. DandyTiger says:

    Instead of showing us examples of eligible voters who can’t obtain ID they should spend their time and energy figuring out how to get it for them.

    They would if they actually gave a damn about them. Right now they’re a convenient rube.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Even the homeless need photo i.d. to panhandle in some areas. Just recently there was a homeless event in our area that provided volunteer medical and dental services, food and clothing, even housing and job referrals. So they couldn’t set up a photo booth ? 😉

    Interesting that I have to show photo i.d. to get on an airplane or long distance train, pick up tickets at a theater’s will call window, check into a hotel, write a check … and have always felt it was for my own protection. I never want to hear from the poll worker, sorry, seems you’ve already voted !

    Our state photo i.d. is only $14 and I will happily donate to a fund that will help the poor be properly identified. I don’t buy racism at all, if anything it was the poll tax that discriminated against the poor and that was repealed a looooooong time ago.

  6. votermom says:

    The 3rd world country I came from, we had to show ID to vote and then we got the purple indelible ink on our finger so we couldn’t vote more than once.
    I was really shocked at how lackadaisical voting is over here when I finally got my citizenship.

    Edit: Btw my state just passed a voter id law which goes into effect in Nov, so hah!

    • I’m all for the purple finger here in the US. I don’t mind the ID laws, but the purple finger would be a stick in the craw of libs. They celebrate it so much it would be obvious hypocrisy if they opposed it here.

      • WMCB says:

        That would be fabulous. 😀

      • 49erDweet says:

        I agree with the purple finger plan but mention it and then stand back and listen to the leftie’s howl. You’d think someone was cutting off that finger. And that response confirms they actually want dirty elections – as if their pride in Chicago politics wasn’t enough of a tip-off/

        • Lulu says:

          You get an ink mark on your arm at amusement parks and concerts if you are wandering in and out and no one objects. Why not on voting day?

        • DeniseVB says:

          lulu – I remember those i.d. check stamps at bars when I still looked under drinking age 😉 Not a bad idea to stamp “i voted” on your hand instead of some ole coot putting the sticker on your boob …. lol.

    • Pips says:

      It’s so touching seeing people in countries that are new to voting rights, proudly showing their ink stained finger, as something precious. Which of course it is too. Speaking of which, I for one was gobsmacked to hear that the daughter of John F. Kennedy, of all people, in 2008 had never voted before!

      And I only just learned about the French voting rules, where the voters ‘upon presentation of voter’s card and/or identity document’ stuff a ballot – in Sunday’s election one out of five, one per candidate, to chose from – into an unsealed(!?) envelope.

      All ballot papers are on one same table. Voters must take at least two different ballot papers prior to proceeding into the opaque polling booth where they fold a ballot paper into the envelope. They do not seal the envelope. Once their names are checked by the electoral officer, voters are allowed to put their ballot envelope in the ballot box and sign the electoral register.

      • Yep, we do have to have ID here. My husband was totally stressed out about getting his card in time to vote. I told him he’d better enjoy it while he can, because next time around I’ll be canceling him out.

        • 1539days says:

          So, is the next round of the French elections like a runoff? I read that le Pen may have some power to influence the vote in the direction of Sarkozy or Hollande because of the 18% she got in round 1.

        • Yep, the next round is the runoff.

          Le Pen is the key to the entire election, mostly because the National Front did a lot better than predicted. (Apparently people don’t admit to pollsters that they’re going to vote NP, and then they go do it.) All the leftist voters will go to Hollande, but the NP really doesn’t like Sarkozy. The polls I am seeing here say that Sarkozy will probably only get 60% of the right-wing votes, and that Hollande will win easily in Round 2.

  7. DandyTiger says:

  8. SHV says:

    Voter fraud/ ID is just another distraction generated by our one party system. Just more street theater. The poor/elderly/minority can’t survive in today’s society without a photo ID. I recently went to the local SS office and couldn’t get passed the front door without producing a photo ID.

    • And since the SS will no longer issue paper checks, but is requiring direct deposit, all those recipients will require photo ID as well. Ever try to open a bank account without ID? Impossible. State aid to the poor also requires a photo ID now.

  9. votermom says:

    Anyone in PA still registered Dem: please vote for Kathleen Kane.
    Endorsed by Bill Clinton, running against Obot Patrick Murphy.

    http://www.kathleengkane.com/bill-clinton-kathleen-kane-has-a-steel-spine-and-a-caring-heart-video/

  10. DandyTiger says:

  11. myiq2xu says:

    FOX employees harass cops:

  12. DandyTiger says:

  13. HELENK says:

    live video f sanford city counsel and vote of no confidence in police chief and his tendered resignation

    http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/trayvon-martin-shooting

  14. foxyladi14 says:

    they are hiding something. 🙂

  15. 1539days says:

    There are too many schemes to increase voter turnout that do no such thing. Either you make voting mandatory (which is not the kind of thing the US should want to do) or you make the decision worthwhile. Things like Rock the Vote registration and same-day voting have done more to make an individual’s vote seem pointless rather than put more people in the process.

    People need to understand that in a Democratic Republic like this, you have to vote from the ground up. Your state may determine whether your presidential vote will be close or a foregone conclusion, but you choose your state politicians and your member of Congress. In Great Britain, the Prime Minister is chosen by the majority of their legistiative body. If that were the case here, John Boehner would be president.

    In 2010, the Republicans didn’t just beat Democrats, people actually felt they had some ability to affect government. This year, Republicans are still getting stagnant candidates primaried. Democrats are looking like sheeple.

    Who’s got more excitement?

    • DeniseVB says:

      yup. This video is from 2010 with a power to the people message. The Dems have failed in their messaging of “either you’re with us or F**K off. Plus the guy is a hottie, swoon……

  16. yttik says:

    I live in the middle of nowhere and we really should win the award for most difficult place to get ID. Our DOL is only open a few hours a week, provided they aren’t out on a drive test or sick or in court. If the computers are down, you have to come back on the second Tuesday of next week. But still, elections are only held about every 2-4 years. Even in my neck of the woods, that’s plenty of time to get ID and register to vote.

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