I miss insomnia


I used to be awake about twenty hours a day and only slept about one hour at a time. Yeah I felt like a zombie, but I had lots of time to write posts. These new meds are kicking my ass. The doctor increased two of them after my last lab tests. I’m taking four meds/eleven pills a day now.

Getting enough sleep is no longer a problem. Neither is sleeping at night. Staying awake is a problem. Writing AM posts is more difficult. By the time I wake up and write something it’s 9am here, 12 noon back east.

On the other hand I’ll probably live longer.

Damn, it’s time to take another pill. This is an open thread.


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53 Responses to I miss insomnia

  1. votermom says:

    Wow, thems a lot of pills.
    Make sure you know what (non-RX) stuff they interact with.
    Very glad your health is getting under control.

    • myiq2xu says:

      A couple of them say “Do not take with alcohol”

      😦

      • wmcb says:

        Not medical advice, since I don’t know what specific meds they are, but here’s the general truth about alcohol warning labels:

        They err so far on the side of safety as to be ridiculous. Most of the time, the only danger is that the med is metabolized by the liver, as is alcohol. Thus drinking a LOT, daily and consistently, in combination with the pills, could conceivably put extra stress on your liver. Other than narcotic pain pills (which can intensify the the passed-out-on-the-floor risks), almost all warnings have to do with the liver. And they err miles over the “safety” line. They gave some rats the equivalent of a gallon of alcohol a day, and ten times the normal dose of pills, and lo and behold, their liver failed! Go figure.

        But no med that had a serious or likely potential to cause you to just keel over from having one or two drinks would EVER make it to market. EVER.

        One other possibility is some meds are slightly less effective when alcohol is involved, since it interferes with how it’s metabolized. Meh, not a biggie, wait a couple hours.

        Again, none of that is medical advice. Just ‘splainin how it works. πŸ˜€

        • votermom says:

          Yup, liver damage. Even OTC stuff like Tylenol can kill you specially if you wash it down with alcohol.

        • wmcb says:

          Votermom, one of the saddest things my husband has to do is tell young people and their families, who think they dodged a bullet, that the kid is going to die.

          Tylenol overdoses work like this: kid took a bottle of pills, gets to the hospital really sick, gets treatment, IV’s, etc, next day is feeling better. Family breathes a sigh of relief. Kid is talking, eating, feeling okay.

          But the liver function tests are sky high. You won’t know for a day or two if its going to recover (liver enzymes go down) or if you’ve killed the liver ( liver enzymes stay elevated and climb more).

          So hubby gets the fun job two days later of telling the family, who are all happy that the kid failed in offing themselves, that they are dead, they just don’t feel it yet. There will be no liver transplant – self-inflicted liver damage doesn’t qualify for the list.

          There are things he loves about his job. That’s not one of them. “But…but….they feel better…” is tough to face.

        • cj says:

          That’s horrible wmcb. I’ve never understood why they continue to combine pain meds like Vicodin with Tylenol or why so many docs seem more worried about the addicting half & not the liver-killing part.

        • wmcb says:

          cj, Tylenol is a very safe drug. It’s not going to harm your liver, even if taken very day. Even if taken at slightly more than recommended dose. The liver can handle the load, no prob.

          It’s a question of overload. Sort of like flooding an engine. Gas can flow into that carburetor in normal amounts for 20 years, and there’s no problem. “Metabolizing” the fuel is what it’s designed to do. It’s not hurting anything. But if you overload, it floods out. And in the case of the liver, doesn’t recover.

          “Don’t flood the carburetor” is not the same as “It’s dangerous to put gas in there.” These are both fallacious statements:

          1) If a little is good, a lot is better.

          Nope.

          2) If a lot is dangerous, a little is dangerous too.

          Nope.

        • votermom says:

          I have heard of that. Tylenol scares me. We try not to use it – use mostly motrin instead, sometimes naproxen. I know it can make your stomach bleed eventually, but that is more treatable than liver damage.

          (Except when I NEED an excedrin, and even then I try to take just the minimum and space it out as much as I can.)

          How did I hear it described once – Tylenol: perfectly safe except if you take the does that kills you in 3 days.

          (Edit – after reading wmcb’s later post – the thing that scares me about it is that safe doses are based on healthy livers and I hate assuming that any of my organs are healthy)

        • cj says:

          That makes sense wmcb, but I’d still rather avoid it. Opiods make me sick to my stomach, so I rarely use them, but when I do, I’ll ask for a script of Percodan rather than Percocet.

          Overly cautious, I know, but it makes me feel safer.

        • wmcb says:

          The dose that kills you in 3 days has to be a fucking huge dose. Like a bottle. Again, it’s an all-at-once OVERLOAD problem, not a cumulative problem. That entire bottle of Tylenol fed in over a month is not going to hurt jack squat. Taken over one day, it will.

          No different than drinking. 2 bottles of whiskey can kill you. If you drink them in one hour. If you drink them over the course of a year, big effing deal.

        • cj says:

          I understand that wmcb, and I’m not worried about killing my liver all at once as much as damaging it. I should explain that I have chronic back problems, so on some days I consume a lot of OTC drugs in a 24 hr. period. I’d just rather it not be Tylenol even if it does get filtered out.

          Thanks for discussion though, appreciate it. Very informative. πŸ™‚

        • T says:

          cj, you’re right in questioning Tylenol. It does have a pretty significant record of causing hepatotoxicity even at the therapeutic dosage in people who are sensitive and especially when combined with alcohol. If other drugs help you, then it totally makes sense to avoid Tylenol.

        • votermom says:

          cj, sorry to hear about your back problems.

          wmcb, thanks for the info on tylenol & meds + alcohol. Very informative as usual.

        • votermom says:

          Thanks T. That’s a good point about getting tylenol from a combination of OTCs (must read labels).

          I know I have read before (no link at the moment) that not eating (or throwing up/ diarrhea) increases stress of on the liver, so I also try to be very cautious about any meds for us if we are going thru something like that.

          Most meds are metabolized in the liver, right? I think tylenol is unique in that there is a narrow margin between it’s safe dose and it’s harmful dose, and if you are already on a lot of meds, that line moves down.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Great info wmcb and informative discussion.

          I just picked up a pack of Advil Congestion Relief and has a “no more than 3 alcoholic drinks a day” while on this med. That struck me as funny. It’s almost as though they’re giving you permission to drink πŸ˜‰

        • cj says:

          Thanks for posting that article T. Going to pass it on to family & friends.

        • trixta says:

          Milk thistle is great for cleaning out the liver of toxins and fat accumulation. (Don’t know if it reacts with meds, etc.)

  2. Pips says:

    Richard Cohen on What the Leakers Have Wrought:

    What is remarkable about the recent leaks is the coincidence — it can only be that — that they all made the president look good, heroic, decisive, strong, and even a touch cruel — born, as the birthers long suspected, not in Hawaii but possibly on the lost planet Krypton. The leak that displayed all these Obamian attributes was the one that said the president personally approves the assassinations of terrorists abroad. He gives his OK and the bad guys are dispatched via missiles from drones.

    Yes, that’s remarkable indeed. Remember how Obama looked like a little boy, that had been dragged screaming and kicking to sit with the grown-ups – who didn’t even make room for him at the table! – while the OBL killing was being effectuated? How is it that he suddenly is the one who decides? And why did everyone seem to uncritically buy into that (new) premise?

    Oh, and did he just call Obama effeminate? πŸ˜‰

    In this, [the leakers] are a bit like the male praying mantis. He does as asked and then the female bites his head off.

  3. Pips says:

    “On the other hand I’ll probably live longer.”

    There is that … πŸ™‚

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Not to worry myiq, your posts are worth waiting for πŸ˜€ We manage to turn them all into open threads anyhow. Take care of you !

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Didn’t Obama tell a reporter he missed out on helping Barrett in Wisconsin because “I’ve got responsibilities” ? Heh. Oh well, today’s schedule for our Busy Preezy via Koffler’s blog:

    Yet another full day of fundraising. Six events in all.

    11:00 am || Receives the Presidential Daily Briefing
    11:45 am || Departs the White House
    1:20 pm || Speaks at a fundraiser; private residence, Owings Mills, Maryland
    2:35 pm || Attends a fundraiser; Hyatt Regency, Baltimore, Maryland
    3:45 pm || Attends a fundraiser; Hyatt Regency, Baltimore, Maryland
    4:45 pm || Departs Baltimore
    5:20 pm || Arrives Philadelphia
    6:10 pm || Attends a fundraiser; Franklin Institute, Philadelphia
    7:45 pm || Attends a fundraiser; Franklin Institute, Philadelphia
    9:05 pm || Attends a fundraiser; Franklin Institute, Philadelphia
    10:20 pm || Departs Philadelphia
    11:20 pm || Arrives White House

    All times Eastern

  6. cj says:

    Scott Jordan Harris‏@ScottFilmCritic

    If you only see one mismatched headline and photograph today, make it this one.

    http://pic.twitter.com/QdFaEUIb

  7. DandyTiger says:

    Take your pills

  8. votermom says:

    LOL

  9. HELENK says:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/06/11/msnbcs-chris-hayes-we-need-more-not-fewer-leaks-of-classified-info/

    this guy is a f–king idiot. the same guy who could not call our fallen military HEROES says we need more national security leaks

  10. wmcb says:

  11. Caro says:

    Yes, you’re much more likely to live longer if you get more sleep.
    http://www.manyyearsyoung.com/2012/06/lack-of-sleep-increases-stroke-risk.html

    Carolyn Kay
    http://www.ManyYearsYoung.com

  12. cj says:

    This is getting hilarious now. Another Clintonista offers Obama some helpful hints:

    “Democratic strategists Stanley Greenberg and James Carville have released a striking new report arguing in stark terms that some key voting groups now reject Obama’s claim that the economy is improving — and may well reject Obama himself in November.”

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/dems-obama-voters-dont-believe-economy-talk/593901

  13. HELENK says:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/shooting-at-police-now-legal-in-indiana/?cat_orig=us

    this law looks like it could get you killed in a heartbeat.

    shooting a police if they illegally enter home. Problem is they most likely will shoot back

  14. myiq2xu says:

    I hate slow news days. You know it’s a slow news day when it’s lunchtime and most of the stories at Memeorandum were published the day before.

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