Ignorance is bliss

LZ Granderson at CNN:

Don’t be nosy about Fast and Furious

We are a nosy country.

Though to be fair, it’s not entirely our fault. Between the 24/7 news cycle, social media and reality TV, we have been spoon fed other people’s private business for so long we now assume it’s a given to know everything. And if there are people who choose not to disclose, they must be hiding something. Being told that something’s “none of your business” is slowly being characterized as rude, and if such a statement is coming from the government, it seems incriminating.

Times have changed. Yet, not everything is our business. And in the political arena, there are things that should be and need to be kept quiet.


Heads should roll because of the Fast and Furious debacle. We don’t need every detail of that operation to be made public in order for that to happen.

If it were an isolated sting, maybe. But it is at least the third incarnation of a gun-running scheme stretching across two administrations, which means we could be pressing to open Pandora’s Box. We do not want to open Pandora’s Box, not about this and certainly not about a bunch of other potentially scandalous things the federal government has been involved with.


Think about it: We have allowed weapons to cross the Mexican border and into the hands of criminals for years. Many of these weapons were involved in killing innocent Mexicans. There’s nothing very admirable about that. But the truth is, it’s very American.

By allowing guns to infiltrate Mexico’s drug cartel, we thought we could trace them up the ladder to the leaders. Take off the head and the body dies. As for the innocent people who lost their lives? Collateral damage. That’s the uncomfortable backstory to this scandal. And there are likely other operations like it in our nation’s history that we don’t even have a clue about.

And maybe it’s better for us not to be so nosy, not to know everything because, to paraphrase the famous line from the movie “A Few Good Men,” many of us won’t be able to handle the truth.


This guy is a journalist?

There is such a thing as operational security. Law enforcement and military operations would be compromised if there was no secrecy. Spies, informants and undercover agents need to be protected.

But nothing stays secret forever. One of the biggest Allied secrets in World War II was Operation Overlord – D-Day, the invasion at Normandy. But eventually the Germans found out because our troops started landing on the beaches.

When law enforcement runs undercover operations the goal is to catch criminals. At some point the deception ends and (hopefully) arrests are made.

Sometimes operations go awry. Mistakes are made. Even with the best of intentions things go wrong and people get hurt or killed. When that happens it is important to find out why. Was it bad planning or bad luck? Were any laws broken? Who was responsible?

Fast and Furious was a major-league fuck-up. A couple hundred Mexicans and two US Agents died. That’s not collateral damage.

Whose idea was it? What did Eric Holder know and when did he know it? What about President Obama? Who else was in the loop? When the scandal broke, what attempts were made to cover it up?

We have every right to know these things.

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65 Responses to Ignorance is bliss

  1. NoEmptySuits says:

    Yes, indeed — WTF. These faux-journalists are really too much.

    One of the collateral benefits of an O defeat will be the rejuvenation of the Fourth Estate (we hope).

  2. WTF?

    Times have changed. Yet, not everything is our business. And in the political arena, there are things that should be and need to be kept quiet.

    So I guess it is ok for the entire world to know about the Bin Laden take down? National Security leaks are things that do not need to be kept quiet but corruption, collusion and downright stupidity at the highest levels? Nope, mind our own damn business.

    Head/Desk Head/Desk

  3. darraghcmurphy says:

    Tongue in cheek maybe? I have to believe this is subtle sarcasm. I just have to.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Kool-aid is a helluva drug.

      • And the so-called journalists seem to be even bigger junkies than the young Obamanuts. What is the deal? Soledad Obrien was on CNN last night – I think substituting for AC, although I ran from the room to avoid the BS, and am not totally sure about why she was being forced on the public. She was railing on Mitt Romney for not being forthcoming about something. Whatever it was, Mitt’s perceived lack of transparency had obviously pissed Soledad off. Now, I’m no big Romney fan by a long shot, but OMG, how much self-delusion it must require to be one of con-man Obama’s most enthusiastic cheer-leaders (as Soledad has been from the beginning), overlooking his massive deception and constant outright lying.

        Yep. That Kool-Aide must be some powerful stuff – or – maybe the Obama journalists are just particularly into ethical acrobatics. When it comes to Obama, they can turn shit into sunshine.

        • angienc says:

          I didn’t even see the show you’re talking about with Soledad, but I’m sure she was complaining about (1) Romney SuperPacs not releasing names of big donors (not legally required, btw) OR (2) Romney not releasing 30 years worth of tax returns (yes, TeamObama & the MSM — but I repeat myself — asked for Romney to release 30 effing years of tax returns).

          Given that Axlerod just tweeted yesterday about the SuperPac thing (and not, btw, that Obama SuperPacs release the names of their big donors either) and Soledad has proven time & time again that she gets her talking points directly from TeamObama, I’m going with #1.

          Oh, and Soledad is always pissed off because she is named after a prison — even her mom doesn’t love her.

  4. Oswald says:

  5. WMCB says:

    What a load of crap. I was sound asleep, having a late lie- in this morning, when I awoke for no reason.

    I now see what the reason was. The stench of this steaming pile was so strong that it intruded on my unconscious mind and woke me right up.

    In the words of Queen Nancy: Are you serious? Are you serious?

  6. cj says:

    “Collateral damage. That’s the uncomfortable backstory to this scandal.”


    This guy won awards? Hopefully they came with a lampshade & light up when plugged in.

    • Karma says:

      No kidding. “Collateral damage” is the story while ‘controlled delivery’ is the uncomfortable backstory to this scandal.

  7. Lola-at-Large says:

    All you need is to see LZ Ganderson to know why he writes this water-carrying bullshit. Remember when I said bigotry is very high in the big box minority communities? So is bias. And straight up moral blindness when it comes to Obama.

    • cj says:

      There it is, the elephant in the room. Unfortunately, there are very few brave enough to tackle the subject. Even the sudden revelation of the poisonous well of homophobic bigotry found in some black churches has been largely ignored.

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        Obama said he wanted to have a frank discussion about race. I took him at his word.

        • cj says:

          You’re very good at writing about it Lola, so is John Smart, unfortunately I’m not. I tried talking about it with some old friends the other day, and I think all I did was convince them that I’d gone over to the dark side.

        • Lola-at-Large says:

          Wow, thanks! I think I can write about it like I do because I spent four very informative years of my childhood as a minority white in a predominantly black ghetto. I spent the rest of it in in mixed poor/working class neighborhoods. So I understand it in a way a lot of white people don’t because of my immersion in the culture.

  8. yttik says:

    But this is the most transparent administration, ever!

    Obama’s own website says, “Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. “

  9. Oswald says:


    • Lola-at-Large says:

      I read that last night right before I went to bed. I have to cleanse my dream queue by reading a chapter of the Hunger Games.

      I do feel for her, but I don’t get why she is unwilling to make the connection that Islam’s particular brand of misogyny naturally leads to this. It keeps happening, and that is proof. So Egypt isn’t terrible, but the gangs of men who are harassing and raping women (and yes, being penetrated by fingers and hands IS rape, which she seemed to deny) are.

      • Oswald says:

        They would have got around to the other kind soon enough.

      • votermom says:

        I do feel for her, but I don’t get why she is unwilling to make the connection that Islam’s particular brand of misogyny naturally leads to this. It keeps happening, and that is proof.

        I don’t get it either. It’s a strange kind of denial.

  10. DandyTiger says:

    We have every right to know these things.

    We have no right to know these things because SHUT UP. /s

    • WMCB says:

      I freaked someone out the other day when I told them that after Romney is elected, I will likely return to watching some CNN and ABC.

      No, I am not inconsistent. When an R is in power, watch the left- slanted press for info on the dirt they are up to. When a D is in power, you have to look to right sources for the same reason. NONE of the press is actually reliable, of course. But the opposing side during any administration is much more likely to expose the crap rather than just cheerlead.

      Part of the fun of not being left/right tribal anymore is that I can switch hit with ease, and feel no compunction about taking it ALL in and weighing the various biases for myself.

      • leslie says:

        “Part of the fun of not being left/right tribal anymore is that I can switch hit with ease, and feel no compunction about taking it ALL in and weighing the various biases for myself”.

        I agree. It is so very freeing to be a voter without a party. Very freeing.

  11. DandyTiger says:

    I’m voting for Romney so that our so called journalists will be back to doing their jobs. It’s a jobs program.

  12. HELENK says:

    another reason that the msm is polling at a 21% approval rating.
    you can only bedazzle with bs for so long, then the smell becomes overwhelming

  13. Lola-at-Large says:

    WOW: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/opinion/to-save-the-euro-germany-must-leave-it.html?_r=1

    That’s like saying we have to jettison Social Security to shore up our budget. It removes the third leg that’s holding the whole thing up.

  14. cj says:

    This is so good; long (3 parts) but really enjoyable. I’m hoping Romney picks Rubio for VP just for the debates.


  15. HELENK says:


    one of the hilary rosen’s that carney knows is mad a claire mccaskill for picking on backtrack

  16. SHV says:

    “Sometimes operations go awry. Mistakes are made. Even with the best of intentions things go wrong and people get hurt or killed. When that happens it is important to find out why”
    I think that from some of the info. form whistle blowers, the “operation gone wrong” meme is BS. Gun dealers who reported the sales were told to STFU and US agents were told to let the guns “walk”. That, combined with the growing, politically damaging, extent of the cover up make me think that there is a lot more to this than incompetence.

    My “tin-foil hat” working theory is that some mid-level DHS or WH National Security “frat boy” types though it would be a great idea to send military grade firearms to rival Mexican drug cartels and there by “throw some sand” in the drug smuggling machinery. It has been reported that, in addition to military grade “assault” type rifles, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft guns and Barrett M82 .50 ca. sniper rifles “walked”. IMO, sending that kind of shit to drug cartels wasn’t just “good intentions” gone wrong but was the intent.

  17. foxyladi14 says:

    Sending guns to Mexico so they could take our guns away. 👿

  18. cj says:

    Fox is reporting that at least 20 Dems will vote yes on contempt charge. Smart move if the polls are right.

  19. WMCB says:

    BTW and OT, I am not commenting quite as much and am half brain dead because I don’t respond well to extreme heat what with the lupus and all, but I am also someone incapable of hiding inside all the time – I practically live on my back porch.

    It was 103 on Monday and 106 yesterday. Makes me foggy as fuck.

    • WMCB says:

      I manage to read a lot in that state, though. I’ve plowed through 5 novels since Friday. 😀

      • HELENK says:

        good for you. drink a lot of liquid, of your own choosing, enjoy the slow down some times it is needed

      • Erica says:

        5 novels since Friday? Sounds awful, just awful.

      • leslie says:

        Please be careful. I know the heat is dangerous so drink lots of water and find some shade if you have to be outside. We are lucky so far. But tomorrow it will be in the low 110’s with high humidity. Thank goodness theclinic I work in is air conditioned.

    • yttik says:

      Probably doesn’t help, but it’s fricken freezing up here. I’m in a fog too, literally, because we haven’t seen the sun for weeks.

      Even the weather in this country has gone extremist, huh?

      • HELENK says:

        don’t you wish they could take the rain from Florida and move it to Utah and Colorado to help with the fires?

    • Lola-at-Large says:

      We do miss you, ftr. I know I do, anyway.

  20. HELENK says:


    I am not sure just what this means. But it does look like they are not playing and are very serious about the contempt charges

  21. HELENK says:


    some states may get stuck with a lot of debt due to obamacare

  22. WMCB says:

    Hilarity from Sooper Mexican:

  23. HELENK says:


    race baiter has planned activities around holder contempt of congress vote.

    how many times has this race baiter gotten people killed with his activies????? He and holder have something in common

    • yttik says:

      Now we finally have a legitimate use of the race card! Long ago I said it was going to be racist to support an inexperienced black guy and then abandon him when he predictably fails. It’s was like a set up. Obama is just Obama, it’s those elitist, “post racial” Dems that put him in power. Well, now they are obligated to stand next to him when the sh&t hits the fan. Too bad if you’re afraid to be seen with him, if you endorsed him, he’s your guy. You own all his failings just as much as he does.

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