Repeal Obamacare


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117 Responses to Repeal Obamacare

  1. myiq2xu says:

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  4. myiq2xu says:

    Democrats getting ready to walk out on Holder contempt vote.

  5. angienc says:

    Two links that summarize exactly what I think. I urge everyone to please take the time (both are short) to view/read them:

    Santelli on the ruling:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/santelli-and-november-obamacare-referendum

    Erickson (yes, he’s a Republican, but he summarizes my view on this):

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/28/im-not-down-on-john-roberts/

    • Good reads- thanks. What does he mean they can’t filibuster?
      Damn Congress is so frigging annoying. Why can they never just write a simple, one issue only bill, and then vote on the bloody thing? Obamatax was among the worst. There are things in there that imo have nothing whatsoever to do with health care or insurance. Things like the Civilian Corps the HHS Secretary gets.

      • angienc says:

        Filibuster is a way that a minority party can stop the majority from voting on something that the minority party is greatly opposed to. I’m not saying it can’t be abused, but the design is to protect the minority party from being run over by the majority party simply because they have “enough votes” to get whatever they want passed. It is supposed to foster compromise & bipartisanship by have the filibuster as a “fail safe.”
        Tax bills, however, can’t be filibustered. They must be voted on. And it only takes a simple majority (not a supermajority) to repeal. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Roberts is an effing genius.

        • Lulu says:

          Yep. All the Senate needs is 50 Repubs not 60. Elections coming and he can count.

        • angienc says:

          Technically, they need 51. But yes. 🙂

        • angienc says:

          Touche!

          I was thinking that right now they could probably get 51 votes to repeal — I’m pretty sure there are some Dem Senators up for re-election who would be happy to vote to repeal ObamaTAX before November.

          Can Reid block a tax bill from coming to the floor, likes he’s been doing with the 16 bills the House passed that the GOP claims are “jobs bills?”

        • T says:

          They’re not going to repeal the mandate. It’s a corporatist dream. However, they are going to run against it, while whining that the icky obstructionist Democrats won’t let them repeal it.

    • Lola-at-Large says:

      Erik Erikson:

      On the upside, I guess we can tax the hell out of abortion now.

      Didn’t I say just this thing within 15 minutes of the ruling? Yes I did. Left-identified feminists get what’s coming to them. I’ll never need an abortion, and neither will my daughter, so I don’t give a shit.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    Quite a money bomb going on for Romney since the decision was announced … over a million so far. I sent him $10 … and a chance to spend the day with him on his campaign bus! (snort)

    • Lola-at-Large says:

      My paycheck banks at 7:00 tonight. $25 of it is going to Romney. His fundraising today will be the biggest indicator of his chances this November. I bet he raises more than 2 million. I dream of it being 4 million.

  7. DeniseVB says:

  8. SHV says:

    Another thought on angienc “Roberts is a genius”….
    For whatever reason, John Roberts gave Obama and the Dems a “White Elephant”

    “A white elephant is an idiom for a valuable but burdensome possession of which its owner cannot dispose and whose cost (particularly cost of upkeep) is out of proportion to its usefulness or worth. The term derives from the story that the kings of Siam (now Thailand) were accustomed to make a present of one of these animals to courtiers who had rendered themselves obnoxious, in order to ruin the recipient by the cost of its maintenance. In modern usage, it is an object, scheme, business venture, facility, etc., considered to be without use or value.[1]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant

    Defending a massive tax increase four months before an election is, IMO, suicide in districts which are contested and “It’s a TAX” apparently means that the repeal of the “mandate” can’t be filibustered. Prior to SCOTUS ruling, Dems were pretty smug that Rethug repeal threats were “hot air” since they couldn’t get a super majority Senate vote. Now thing have changed. Mandate is going down on majority vote.

    • myiq2xu says:

      QE I used to accomplish the same thing by going to visit troublemakers, bringing along her entire entourage and staying for weeks. They would literally eat the reluctant hosts out of house and home.

    • WMCB says:

      Roberts may well have pulled a fast one here.

      1) The commerce clause now has a limit.

      2) GOP gets to run against a HONKIN BIG TAX INCREASE by the Dems.

      3) Repeal just became much, much easier, whether R’s get a filibuster-proof Senate or not.

      • WMCB says:

        Oh, and add point #4 to the above: Dems cannot now run on “nasty horrible extremist court.”. Cut that right out from under them.

      • Mary says:

        AND, states can opt out of expanded Medicaid without losing other funds.

        • angienc says:

          Yes! This is huge & is getting lost in the Obama celebration by the MSM. At least for today. Obama will get a dead cat bounce & then have to run on a TAX & explain something that he doesn’t understand. He isn’t the “legal genius constitutional scholar” he plays on TV; IRL, that is Roberts.

        • SHV says:

          Probably the biggest fraud in a fraudulent law. When they were assigning people to various coverage categories in Obamacare, the people who couldn’t be put anywhere else were put into Medicaid. The States couldn’t afford the increased costs but it made it appear that “everyone” had health care coverage. SCOTUS just ruined that ploy.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        “Stay angry my friends”. We can win this fight in the end where it matters.
        🙂

  9. WMCB says:

    Every single waiver that Obama granted to companies, unions, etc now becomes a HUGE TAX BREAK to his wealthy donors. Run with the tax theme, Mitt. It’s killer.

    Romney has raised 1.5 million dollars on his website today so far. And the majority whip just said that because the penalty is now a tax, it’s a revenue issue, and can be repealed by 51 votes, and that’s how the Senate will approach it.

  10. gxm17 says:

    The CNN headline reads “A Victory for All.” There should be an asterisk and tiny type: *Except for people who can’t afford insurance.

    UFB how foolish people are to cheer this decision. What about the part that says states can opt out? It’s like they have ideology glasses on and only see what they want to see and not the ugly truth.

    • Lola-at-Large says:

      The people lost today. End of story. Working class people got a knife to the throat. They can’t afford insurance on their own, employers will soon stop offering it (without increasing pay; an effective pay cut for those who have it), and their taxes will go up via fines, which means no more Earned Income Tax credit. The EIC was the only thing keeping most working class families afloat year-by-year.

      • Mary says:

        Yup. And that $750 “fine” will be deducted from their tax refund…..if it’s more than the refund, they’ll OWE $$.

  11. angienc says:

    Bwahahahaha! Yesterday these asshats had a story titled the SCOTUS has no honor. Today they have this:

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/28/507940/breaking-supreme-court-upholds-individual-mandate-as-a-tax/

    Irony, thy name is ThinkProgress

    • yttik says:

      I know! Just yesterday our Supreme Court were all racists with no ethics. The left sure is a fickle bunch, aren’t they?

  12. myiq2xu says:

    Guess who is now a pro-Obamacare blog?

    • catarina says:

      sad and pathetic? yes.
      surprising? no.

    • yttik says:

      What’s kind of creepy is that nearly everyone who supports Obamacare has no idea what’s in the bill. It’s astounding to me that so many people are willing to support and advocate for something they haven’t read and don’t understand.

      • gxm17 says:

        I find it depressing that so many self-proclaimed liberals don’t genuinely care about health care. This is all just some stupid pissing contest to them. And that have yet to realize that they’re pissing into the wind.

    • angienc says:

      Guess who is now a pro-ObamacareObamacareTAX blog?

      FIFY

    • gxm17 says:

      It’s been *interesting* to watch so many 2008 rebels fall docilely back in line.

      • myiq2xu says:

        It’s like watching a friend go back to an abusive spouse.

      • angienc says:

        RD has shown that she was always more offended that Kos, et al didn’t appreciate her “genius” than she was offended by what they did to Hillary.

        Heck, I left Violet’s place a few months back after telling her off about her Mormon bigotry disguised as “feminism” as a rationale to re-assimilate with the borg (I don’t know & don’t want to know if she printed my comment nor her asinine response — when I’m done, I’m done — just like I said I was with the Dems after May 31, 2008).

        BTW, I’m not a defender of LDS or any religion’s treatment of women (and they all have a long history of SUCK on that point), but going around pretending to “understand LDS fully” and declare it is the *worst* in its treatment of women to hide your bigotry under the pretense of feminism? Bullshit.

        • Carolyn says:

          I think most women would be delighted to be treated the way Ann Romney is by her husband. He obviously adores her.

          • myiq2xu says:

            My favorite aunt was a Mormon. My uncle might have worn the pants in that family but she told him which pair to put on. I have a bunch of former in-laws who are Mormon as well. Those women aren’t shrinking violets either.

        • gxm17 says:

          Me too. I walk away and don’t look back. I’ve left a couple of “feminist” blogs for rape apologia, something I refuse to tolerate. I still support Violet’s blog but I don’t get the anti-Mormon thing either. You’re right, all patriarchal religions suck in that respect. That’s what makes them a patriarchal religion. As an unbeliever, I’ve always had to vote for religious candidates so I don’t get what the big stink is about Romney being a Mormon.

        • Kind of hard to claim that LDS is the *worst* religion when muslim girls have acid thrown on their faces and poisoned water to prevent them from going to school.

        • lyn5 says:

          Same here, myiq2xu. My favorite aunt was Mormon, and I always enjoyed visiting her and my cousins.

      • cj says:

        Well I’d like to know what they’re so happy about. It’s not like I’m opposed to this 2000 page monster just because I hate Obama. Right off the top he’s already drained 500 bil. out of medicare to fund it, and now medicaid’s probably not going to be an option in a lot of states.

    • T says:

      They keep repeating, but there’s no penalty for the mandate, there’s no penalty for the mandate….

      Yeah, right, just try not paying it. Actually, I may just do that.

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        You won’t be able to, unless you owe taxes. Then they’ll just seize your assets. If you expect a refund, sayonara.

        They’re already taking mine over students loans I don’t make enough to pay back, after they upped my principle over 50% just for not being able to pay. I borrowed less than $40 grand; I now owe over $100,000 thanks to the government’s fuzzy math and penalties. I graduated in 2007; that’s how fast and vicious they are. They tell me that soon they will place a lifetime garnishment on my wages, which means I’ll have to quit working and go on welfare, which is the last thing I want to do besides die.

      • Mary says:

        They’re so stupid! The “tax payment” will be directly deducted from any refund they’re supposed to receive, and if it’s more than the refund, they’ll OWE—payable with the tax return.

        Dummies.

    • lyn5 says:

      Oh, heck, they lost me when they started to hate everyone who doesn’t agree with them.

  13. myiq2xu says:

  14. WMCB says:

    Question: is it legal for the Executive Branch to grant “waivers” from a tax?

    • myiq2xu says:

      In Obamanation it is.

    • angienc says:

      Why yes, Obama just gave his corporate donors a HUGE TAX BREAK!

      That should play real well with the bitter-clinger crowd. 😉

    • SHV says:

      The waivers are small potatoes. The big payoff was the “tax” if a business over 50 (?) employees did have a health plan. IIRC, it’s $2800/ worker vs a lot more for employer contribution for insurance.

  15. myiq2xu says:

    Nancy Pelousy is urging Democrats to walk out on Holder contempt vote.

  16. Lulu says:

    Roberts rolled back the Commerce clause.
    “Roberts’ genius was in pushing this health care decision through without attaching it to the coattails of an ugly, narrow partisan victory. Obama wins on policy, this time. And Roberts rewrites Congress’ power to regulate, opening the door for countless future challenges. In the long term, supporters of curtailing the federal government should be glad to have made that trade.”
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/scocca/2012/06/roberts_health_care_opinion_commerce_clause_the_real_reason_the_chief_justice_upheld_obamacare_.single.html

    Do Obama and the Democrats know what hit them?

    • angienc says:

      No, they don’t. And Obama is going to have to run on & explain something he doesn’t understand.

  17. angienc says:

    I just want to repeat (again) — my view on the unconstitutionality of the mandate under the Commerce and Necessary & Proper Clauses was affirmed today.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I agree. This “it survives as a tax” came out of left field. No one was predicting that outcome.

    • Lulu says:

      Me too! And Roberts is rolling Commerce and Nec& Proper back. The net effect will be to make doing this kind of legislation again all but impossible. Not to mention Obama becomes a giant exploding cigar.

    • Indeed it was! Excellent!
      Interested to see the answer to the above about whether Reid can keep the bill to repeal from coming to the floor.

    • yttik says:

      They actually said:

      “The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause. That Clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage in it.”

      The SC did not expand the Commerce Clause and hand congress more power, they completely dismissed it as justification for Obamacare and decided it was a tax instead.

      And they said,
      “Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

  18. catarina says:

    Holder contempt vote going on now. Streaming live on Foxnews.com.

    I’m sure it’s all a big misunderstanding. F&F is just a tax.

  19. SHV says:

    “What’s kind of creepy is that nearly everyone who supports Obamacare has no idea what’s in the bill. It’s astounding to me that so many people are willing to support and advocate for something they haven’t read and don’t understand.”
    ************
    I read through the bills when they were being debated and I guarantee nobody understood what it meant. I suspect lines, sections were written by lobbyists and revolving door Congressional staffers who were tasked to make sure that their “patrons” interests were served.

    It would have stuff like ” In the revised SS Act of 1975, section IV, line 162, change the third “and” to “or”. This crap went on for 2000 pages.

    • elliesmom says:

      The devil is always in the details, which is why they made them so hard to find. Now that the mandate is a “tax”, and there were no tax`exemptions specifically written into the law, will the companies that received waivers lose them?

  20. The vote is to refer? Or is this the actual vote as to holding him in contempt?

  21. catarina says:

    Dems have put forth a motion to block the contempt vote.

  22. myiq2xu says:

    Re: Holder

    I keep hearing people bring up Bushco as a defense(“They haven’t subpoenaed Mike Mukasey yet!”)

    That’s like an attorney defending a bank robber by arguing that somebody else robbed the same bank a year earlier and they haven’t caught that guy yet.

    • lol To me it is like a child on the verge of being punished for some infraction tries to distract and make the parent feel guilty for not punishing a sibling for some unrelated act.

  23. catarina says:

    Looks like the vote goes forward, despite last ditch attempt.

  24. votermom says:

    LOL. Holder is in the Happiest Place on Earth today.

    • Karma says:

      What’s the fork situation? And did he sit them at the kiddies’ table with no knives and pre-cut chicken breasts like Obama did?

  25. catarina says:

    15 dems helped advance the contempt vote.

  26. I am watching CSpan- is the Whole D caucus leaving the room? Looks like a parade?

  27. votermom says:

    Why isn’t this woman the GOP nominee?

    Thank you, SCOTUS. This Obamacare ruling fires up the troops as America’s eyes are opened! Thank God.

    This proves to be such an unsettling time in America as we undergo the fundamental transformation that Barack Obama promised he would do to us if elected. Obamacare was dealt in deception and confusion by flooding the public with an overwhelming amount of conflicting “rationale” via thousands of pages of unread legislative detail, which is the radical left’s M.O. Obama promised the American people this wasn’t a tax and that he’d never raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. We now see that this is the largest tax increase in history. It will slam every business owner and every one of the 50% of Americans who currently pay their taxes. The other 50% are being deceived if they think they’re going to get a free ride – because Medicaid is broke. Recipients of Obama’s “free health care” will have fewer choices and less accessibility. Trust me – this much more expensive health care WILL be rationed; to claim otherwise defies all economic and common sense.

    We will not retreat on this. A newly elected legislative branch is key to defending our Republic and fundamentally restoring all that is good in America.

    SCOTUS now rules this is a tax? Well, Congress has the ability to create taxes – and also has the ability to rescind them. Upon their return from the July recess, Congress should act immediately to repeal this terrible new tax on the American people, and indeed they must repeal all of Obamacare. This is the most brazen and sweeping new tax and government overreach imposed on us. We the People did not ask for this tax, we do not want this tax, and we can’t afford this tax. This is not an answer to America’s health care challenges.

    It’s time, again, for patriotic Americans to rise up to protest this obvious infringement on our economic and personal freedom. November is just around the corner. Today, the Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. In November, We the People will issue ours.

    – Sarah Palin

    • angienc says:

      Because she didn’t run.
      Look, I like her too, but she didn’t run.

      • Lola-at-Large says:

        Fuck YES! This! She was the only one who a) actually proposed reforms that could benefit the working class and b) the only who has a history of BEING working class. And she abandoned us. I get why she did it. I blame sexism, but it still hurts.

  28. myiq2xu says:

    A bunch of Democrats are walking out.

  29. catarina says:

    aaaand it’s done! Holder found in contempt, with 17 dems voting with repubs.

  30. HELENK says:

    I guess when the attorney general gives congress the finger , the democrats think it is a wave saying he likes them

  31. Lola-at-Large says:

    Artur Davis gets it right:

    But there is a larger story: this result shows the left’s continuing capacity to shape elite opinion by marginalizing positions that roughly half the country holds. Just as the left has caricatured opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion as retrograde and extreme, it just pulled off the same feat in the context of Obamacare: the case was made, and Roberts bought it, that a Court that has struck down 169 congressional statutes would somehow be dangerously activist if it added a 170th one to the mix. Its an undemocratic, disingenuous sleight of hand that the left is practicing, but it is winning: the cost is that it only widens the gap between Middle America and the elite.

    http://www.politico.com/arena/ Beware the headline. You might puke.

    • angienc says:

      I don’t believe Roberts “bought it” — I think Roberts played the liberal Justices & Obama.

  32. angienc says:

    Best tweet on Twitter today:

  33. JohnSmart says:

    Must say that Romney appeared very Presidential in the clip above. And money is pouring in after this AM. The election is going to be brutal.

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