Obot lamentations

DougJ at Buffoon Juice:

If you love him, be proud of him

I know we write this type of post over and over again here, but I can’t stop myself…

I don’t want to make this another Firebaggers versus Obot post. I’m an Obot but I agree with some of the Firebagger criticism about Obama’s handling of the economy and mortgage issues.

I was at a party Friday night with a bunch of other liberal people. We talked about politics, and they all agreed everything was worse, all sad panda type stuff, no progress. I brought up ACA, which they kind of pooh-poohed, and I brought up that I didn’t think I’d see a black president in my lifetime, and now I have. They said he was bi-racial, so not such a big thing. I said you think that matters to the fringe, look at how they talk about him.

Then they got going on how awesome Clinton was relative to Obama. I countered that he didn’t pass anything as big as ACA. They couldn’t argue with that, but had some other stuff about how great the economy was and it was all his doing.

Why can’t Democrats just get behind Obama, admit ACA is a big win, admit Obama’s election was a big win? I’m a mopey, pessimistic, anxious, depressive person, but I still can’t understand it.

Look, we’re going to win in the end, make this country more inclusive, beat back the corporatocracy. It’s going to be a long hard slog, but we’re lucky to have some of the people we do on our side, including Obama.

It’s time to cheer up.

Excuse me for a moment.


Okay, that’s better.

If you think that post is bad you should read the comments.

I think my favorite part is DougJ’s focus on race. It’s unintentionally revealing – it shows that DougJ judged Obama on the color of his skin rather than the content of his character.

“Because he’s black” is not a reason to vote for anyone unless you’re using it as a tie-breaker between two equally good candidates. Hillary Clinton was the superior candidate. Plus she’s a she. Why was it more important to elect a black man instead of a woman?

Ever heard of James Harris? He was the first black starting quarterback in the NFL. His career was less than distinguished.

Ever heard of Doug Williams? He was the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. He even won the MVP for the game.

Which milestone was more important?

Barack Obama will always be the first black President of the United States. William Henry Harrison will always be the first POTUS to die in office. Andrew Johnson will always be the first POTUS to be impeached. Nixon will always be the first POTUS to resign.

Sometimes being first ain’t such a great thing.

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47 Responses to Obot lamentations

  1. myiq2xu says:


    Look, we’re going to win in the end, make this country more inclusive,

    Not until we drive the conservatives, libertardians and right wing generally out of it, we wont. A better country can’t exist, so long as they are in it.

    It sounded better in the original German

  2. Lola-at-Large says:

    GRRRR. I am having a fight about this on FB right now. Here’s my friend’s comment that has pissed me off RIGHTEOUSLY:

    I guess I don’t see much difference between middle class and working class. I live month to month, if I’m lucky. I remain saddled with debt because of the months where my income wasn’t there. I have been lucky in terms of gaining some “net-worth” on the three homes I’ve been lucky enough to move through because of some money 5k from my grandma and a “jump start” from my dad regarding a duplex he bought and subdivided and sold half of to me without taking a profit. My salary during our first few years of marriage was 25k(plus 50% of insurance)though i did make a few grand in bonuses each of those years.

    I’ll currently have to take out a loan from my mom probably in order to pay for the deductible and co-pay on Ezra’s appendectomy if the service providers won’t take me on terms and who wants to borrow money from their moms when they are 38? Not to mention the baby due in a month and the cost of that and getting ready for that and sustaining that. Truthfully, probably the main reason I actually do pay out the 12k per year for an average health plan is because I know that they would take my house before making a freeloader out of me if the proverbial sky fell on our family.

    Side note: trust me, that leased BMW was the worst financial decision I had made during a hazy day of early midlife crisis, and I am still paying for it. I am paying vig on a loan I took on a credit card to prepay a lease. Sheesh.

    And I guess there are provisions in the affordable care act to provide assistance for lower income middle classers. Which is supported, apparently, by a tiny tax increase on the 200k plus folks (.009)

    To Which I responded:

    I don’t even make $25 K now and I have a degree, I never got any money from my grandparents, and not a single dime was contributed to my education. I wouldn’t even qualify for a loan, which is why my mom has lost 25 lbs since she went on SS last year. I can’t help her. A lease OR a BMW? As if! THAT’S the difference between me and you, bub. Know it, internalize it, and act like it matters, because it fucking does.

    Boldings mine. Privileged-assed pricks. I want them dead. Now. Not really, but I am so incensed by their insensitivity!

    • Oswald says:

      “I cried because I had no shoes. Then I met a man who had no feet.”

    • gxm17 says:

      I was out of power for two days and had to resort to screaming at my poor husband: We have lost our humanity when we have no compassion for people who need medical care!

      ObamaNation is calling people who can’t afford health insurance “deadbeats” and “freeloaders” and lecturing me on “statistics” and “numbers.” I call a big steamin’ load of progressive BS.

      To all those so-called liberals who want to lecture me on the “numbers,” here’s my ethics lecture. And it doesn’t even need any big words.

      When another human being is sick or injured, we naturally want to take care of them, to make them well, minimize their pain, and give them comfort. That’s what makes us human. Once we lose that, once we start putting numbers before people, we lose our humanity.

      It’s clear these people have no real world experience with poverty because the first thing you learn when you don’t have enough money to buy another carton of milk till payday is how to prioritize: You can make the numbers work when you put people first. So here’s my food stamp economics lesson to those too “smart” to figure it out: Make the numbers fit the people, not the other way around. It. Can. Be. Done.

      Not directed at anyone here. I figure this is the only place I can post my rant without getting booted.

  3. angienc says:

    Yeah, Clinton did “some other stuff about how great the economy was” so he totally compares to pushing through the clusterfuck known as ObamacareTAX that is all about insurance companies and nothing about healthcare with an underhanded “reconciliation” vote.

  4. HELENK says:


    I am not sure if these were the obot ponies at the Meadowlands expostition center this weekend

  5. Lola-at-Large says:

    WMCB is right. It’s about power-sharing now.

  6. cj says:

    Obots are why headlines like this are written.

    Exclusive: In His Second Term, Obama Will Pivot to the Drug War


  7. Like he pivoted to jobs? When exactly is the job pivot coming?

  8. Lulu says:

    I think we are seeing a consistent over estimation of exactly which socioeconomic social class which many Proglydytes believe they exist in. They are still imagining that they are middle-class, probably upper-middle class because that is a slot their parents occupied while they were growing up. They also cannot seem to understand that they are working class because they labor for their money even if it is in an office, classroom, or lab rather than a machine shop, farm or retail store. An office laborer is a laborer who is sitting down and paid by someone else. They do not understand that their social class is sliding DOWN with Obama. They are never going to earn enough to accumulate assets because they have to have leased BMW’s to keep up the class pretense and pay ObamaTAX to Obama’s employers.

    • elliesmom says:

      About those Boomers. Most of us had parents who benefited from the G.I.bill. They used it to become more educated than their parents were and to be able to buy into the housing market more easily than their parents did. For many postwar couples there was a real step up. Our parents in turn wanted our lives to be better. My dad worked his ass off to turn his blue collar family white, and he succeeded across the board in one generation. The housing market he couldn’t do much about, but we all got in. I wasn’t out of my 20’s before I was making more money than my father did. What we never really learned as young adults was that most generations start out where their parents started, not where they end, and a lot of us never taught our kids that. So we have children in an economy that isn’t allowing them to jump ahead of Mom and Dad. Some of them are digging in and making do, but some of them need more instant gratification and are keeping the credit card companies in business, leasing BMWs, and waiting in line all night at the Apple Store. Those of us who can help our kids get a leg up, do, with college tuition, mortgage down payments, and help with childcare expenses. But we’re also the generation that did better than our parents did so we are paying for elder care for them as well. While I agree that today’s youth has no real idea of where they fall on the socioeconomic scale, it is confusing out there for them.

  9. Glennmcgahee says:

    Typical to hear the “step-up” provided by their parent’s and grandparent’s income wasn’t enough to make them comfortable or satisfied, only squandered on the newest toys and probably the latest Apple products. Poor pitiful Obot. Why’d he/she lease that BMW? Didn’t he/she take advantage of the Kash for klunkers program that took all those old used cars (the only type I could afford) and destroyed them, provided they bought a shiny new one with a brand new shiny loan?

  10. T says:

    If you love him, be proud of him?

    Uh, what if you *DON’T* love him?

    • carol haka says:

      Then you are a r*cist!

      Why am I having to explain this to you? It was in the brochure!


  11. Remember when it was Clinton who was racist, when it was Clinton who the Obots had to run away from because he was just so yesterday? Remember when we couldn’t have Hillary because we couldn’t support another political dynasty because it was un-American? I remember one of her signature lines—–“what didn’t you like from the Clinton Administration—-was it the peace or the prosperity?”
    And now the Obots would rather have Clinton. Too little too late. They had their chance and they blew it….

    • Lulu says:

      Some people never learn that to get past the bad stuff you did you have to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong, boy was I ever wrong. To those of us lucky enough to have parents, mentors, and people we trust who care about us, we screw up when we are young and learn from it, are forgiven and never do it again. We do have to eat crow. A lot. For a while. The young and suckered may be able to be salvaged. Maybe. If they wise up quick. It is the old evil fucks in the Democratic party, Wall St, big health care and the media that knew what they were doing who I want driven from anything but ignominious retirement in a tacky gated golf community eating at chain restaurants not over a mile from home. For life.

  12. Oswald says:

    I love the way the Obots try to explain away peace and prosperity. That and how everything now is Bill’s fault.

  13. Oswald says:

    Ask not for whom the Klown trolls:

    myiq2xu Says:

    Shorter Buffoons:

    We hate peace and prosperity!

    The longest peacetime economic expansion in US history. Deficit reduction. The gap between rich and poor shrank. Gee, let’s not do that again.

    Who is the most popular political figure in the country? Hillary Clinton.

    Who is the second-most popular political figure in the country? Bill Clinton.

    Come November, who will still be the only Democratic POTUS since FDR to be elected to two full terms? Bill Clinton.

    • elliesmom says:

      Did the Koch brothers pay you to do that? I wrote you a really good letter of recommendation.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Speaking of trolling:

      July 3, 2012 at 8:12 am

      Asked about the resignations, a church spokesman said the church loves and respects each member.

      “People make their own decisions about the direction they will follow in life,” spokesman Michael Purdy said in an email. “While there are very few who take this action, it is sad to see someone choose to leave. We wish them well.”

      Oh, the humanity!

  14. Lulu says:


    The Proggy Bots need to lament some more. After the weasel words the polling shows in the second paragraph the real news.
    “However, in the 15 states CNN calls its battleground states — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin — Romney leads Obama, 51 percent to 43 percent. Notably, though, the CNN/ORC International group includes three states thought to be comfortably in the Romney column this cycle: Arizona, Indiana, and Missouri.”

    No wonder Obama is begging. If CNN published 8 points it is probably 12-15 for Romney. An 8 point lead means a state is no longer a swing state. His funding will start collapsing even more with polls like this.

  15. Oswald says:

    Eva Longoria, a national co-chair of President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign, can’t imagine why a woman would pull the lever for a Republican.

    “I don’t think it’s a hard choice if you’re a woman,” said Longoria during an Obama campaign event in Colorado over the weekend, according to The Denver Post. “We have to get out there and tell (others) ‘If you’re a woman, there is no way you can vote Republican.’”

    Outside of the venue where Longoria spoke, the “Desperate Housewives” star was greeted by women who do vote Republican.They were clad in Mitt Romney T-shirts.


    • Lulu says:

      I got into the bourbon balls once when I was a little kid. My grandfather immediately knew because I smelled like a distillery. He probably just gave me a cup of coffee.

  16. gxm17 says:

    I think someone at a former PUMA blog called me a firebagger the other day. WTF is a firebagger anyway? I thought Firedoglake hated us 2008 rebels. (But I could be wrong since I don’t follow the blog and have never posted there.) Since when is being a strong supporter of Universal Healthcare something to be disparaged for in liberal land?

    • leslie says:

      Since TehOnce lied about his support of Universal Healthcare and then denied anyone associated with Universal Healthcare a seat at the discussion table.

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