Bainers are the new birthers

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Mitt Romney rips Obama camp’s ‘dishonesty’

Mitt Romney on Monday accused President Barack Obama of running a “campaign based on falsehood and dishonesty,” while brushing aside suggestions from anxious conservatives to release more than two years of tax returns.

“A campaign based on falsehood and dishonesty does not have long legs,” Romney said on “Fox and Friends,” later adding: “The president only has one thing going, and that is constant attacks on me. They’re dishonest. They’re misdirected. And I think the American people recognize that kind of politics as something of the past. It may work in Chicago, but it’s not going to work across America.”


“If we want to talk about transparency, the real issue is, why has this president used his presidential power and executive privilege to keep the information about the Fast and Furious program from being explained to the American people?” the former Massachusetts governor said, referring to Obama’s assertion of executive privilege over documents related to the disastrous “gun-walking” operation.

2008 gave us “birthers” and “Trig-truthers.” Now 2012 has produced the “Bainers.” These are the people (are progs people?) that keep insisting despite all evidence to the contrary that Mitt Romney is lying about when he left Bain Capital.

They are not arguing in good faith. They know that Mitt Romney was in Utah organizing the 2002 Winter Olympics and was not running Bain between 1999 and 2001. They don’t care. Do not waste your time debating with them. Make your points and move on with your life.

Bainers are Obots, and arguing with Obots is like arguing with trolls. Actually it IS arguing with trolls, and if you argue with a troll the troll wins.

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76 Responses to Bainers are the new birthers

  1. lyn5 says:

    If I were Romney, I’d say, “OK, I’ll release my tax returns when Obama releases the Fast and Furious documents that he’s withholding from the American people.” This isn’t rocket science. Slug the bastard in the stomach.

    • imusthavepie says:

      I don’t think he should get into a “I’ll give you this when you do this” argument. It implies that he’s holding his tax records until he gets something. He just needs to keep saying that he has complied with the law and that he’s not going to do things just to make Team Obama happy. He should continue to point out the hypocrisy as he has and then ask why does Obama want to talk about Mitt’s personal budget instead of the country’s? Why doesn’t he want to talk about his record as President? Just like he’s been doing.

    • Anthony says:

      I’d settle for the college transcripts….

      • elliesmom says:

        While I would like to see his college transcripts, because I think seeing the grades of the “smartest person in the room” would be worth some shitzengiggles, i no longer care. There might be something in there that would challenge his right to be president, but at this point he’s just a few months from being gone. At least I hope he’s only a few months from being gone.

        • Anthony says:

          Good point.

          I wasn’t even thinking of the possibility of a challenge to his legitimacy. That’s a can of worms that should be left closed for the exact reasons you mention.

          I would just like to see him sputter and spin, because you know he doesn’t want us to see what shit grades he had.

          I was thinking about the contradiction to his promise of transparency and how obvious it would become once he refused to provide something as benign as his transcript.

      • djmm says:

        I’ve had to provide college transcripts for every post college job I have held. I see no reason why presidential candidates don’t need to provide them (if they went to college and most have).


  2. wmcb says:

    We helped my son buy a car. My husband’s name is on the title, since he had to qualify for the loan. We don’t drive the car. We don’t make the payments on the car. We have nothing to do with the car. I have no idea at any given moment where the car even is. But until it is paid off, hubby’s name is on that piece of paper, because that’s the rule.

    Not quite the same, but most people understand that “name listed on a piece of paper to satisfy a rule requirement” is not the same thing as “he was running the company”. The Obots know it too. They just don’t care.

    • myiq2xu says:

      The Obots know it too. They just don’t care.

      They think it will help Obama win. If they thought being there until 2002 would help Romney they would be insisting he left Bain in 1999.

      • Dems actually did insist this very thing ahead of his MA gubernatorial campaign. They actually petitioned to have him thrown off the ballot over it. Now they want to have it both ways.

  3. Lulu says:

    The only time I have discussed this with a progressive I said “OK if you are correct then he was running the Olympics and Bain at the same time which means he is superman or something. Obama has trouble getting up in the morning having a single briefing and playing 18 holes of golf in the same day. So we are to choose between superman and lazy ass? Is this really what you want to argue?”

  4. DeniseVB says:

    I don’t get their talking points, so what if Mitt ran a successful business and the Olympics at the same time. He owned it. The Olympics was a volunteer job (donated salary to charity). What was Obama doing between 99-02 ?

    As someone said, Obama’s campaign is making him look like a bad House candidate.

    • Lulu says:

      If this is occurring to you and I, a lot of people are thinking the same thing. It is considered racist to suggest that Obama is less than a ball of fire unless he is out promoting himself. He is a schmoozer and slacker, his entire life has been like that. Michelle was furious during parts of their marriage because he worked so little. He is prezidenting the same way. He has no policies because he does not work on any. He talks. And talks and talks. He thinks talking and “messaging” is working. After developing policy you talk about it. He talks about talking. He is a bullshit artist and that is all he is.

  5. Bainers as birthers, that is a brilliant frame, my friend. It passes the jealousy test. Wish I’d thought of it.

  6. HELENK says:

    new ad

    • Well, I wish they hadn’t done the dueling singing thing, because Obama looked petty enough doing it in the first place, and now Romney will look like a bit thin skinned over this.

      But otherwise, a good ad.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      He should talk lol.He had political connections with CONVICTED FELONS who are today in jail. 👿

      • leslie says:

        at least half the chicago city council have “political connections with CONVICTED FELONS who are today in jail.” the other half is IN jail.

        Obama fits right in with that crowd. He knew what he was doing when he moved to Chicago.

  7. wmcb says:

    I was pondering yesterday why on earth the geniuses on Obama’s team would have made that ad with Romney attacking Obama. I just couldn’t figure out what they were thinking. WTF?

    Then it dawned on me. They have no clue and no idea about the shift in the public perception, the preference cascade taking place. They think it’s still 2008. And in 2008, that might have been a good ad. Because in 2008, Obama was a Hope godling, and the first black president, and any attacks on him at all triggered a visceral cringe in the public psyche. It had nothing to do with logic – his team had managed to create a subliminal public feeling that any criticism was shameful, and raaaacist, and somehow made you bad. Right or wrong, the majority of the country felt it.

    So yeah, in 2008, that ad might have worked. But team Obama, by virtue of running that ad, just revealed that they do not understand what has happened in the public psyche. They think that pulling the ripcord on that parachute is what they need to do. They don’t get that there is no longer any psychological parachute attached to that cord.. There is no kneejerk visceral sqeamishness about criticizing him anymore. There might be to truly unfair personal attacks, but the glow that made even mild criticism of him feel shameful is LONG gone. And he and his team have not grokked that yet. They are trying to appeal to 2008, and push 2008 buttons. They keep fiddling with the starter and the alternator and the carburator, not realizing that the ENGINE of guilt and shame and deference they are trying to start is what’s not there anymore. They are sitting there grinding that key, thinking it’s gonna catch any minute. It’s not. It’s not 2008 anymore. And they don’t get that.

    • leslie says:

      Well, I hope no one tells them.

      • Lulu says:

        This is their bubble. It applies to their not understanding how bad the economy is and their dissing of anyone who tries to bring it up. The same brand of media sycophancy which is all they read (they haven’t noticed that their audience has tuned them out!), and the public refusal to go along with ObamaTax. He surrounds himself with yes men and women and they refuse to acknowledge or comprehend what anyone else is worried about. They really don’t give a shit what anyone else thinks, needs, or is striving to attain. I think it is too late to reverse course for them so they just keep spoiling and pillaging. The only recourse is to vote ALL of them out of office.

    • wmcb says:

      If they had a brain, they’d have Obama go all positive. No attacks on Romney at all. No scolding of the people, either. Big inspiring speeches about how great the American people are, applauding them on getting through tough times. Complete pablum, HEAVY on the positive. IMO, that would be his best bet to pull this out, and even that might not work. But going negative is not going to help him. Oh, he’ll get the hard core Obots all stirred up, and the media, over the eviiiil Mitt. But he’s not going to touch the swing voters making himself look small and petty and negative.

      I sincerely hope he does not take my advice. I want him to get negative and nasty.

    • They do keep returning to 2008 strategies, I agree. Witness the fainters this weekend. They only come out when Obama is trying to sell something really hard, like all during his primary in 2008, and then later in his campaign in 2008. They came out again in the fall of 2009, iirc, when he was trying hard to push ObamaTax.

      • HELENK says:

        that was kind of a fail with the fainters. he told them to get a para-legal.

        • wmcb says:

          LOL! I saw that! Call the paralegals to come in their ambulance, and bring an inhalator! A breathalizer! 😀

  8. HELENK says:

    backtrack should worry

    only 1% of Romney donors have reached their limit

  9. myiq2xu says:

    Gabe at AofS:

    First, Romney has obviously been on offense. The campaign has been laudably focused on hitting the President where it hurts him most with voters: the economy. The same hard-hitting message discipline that laid his primary opponents low has kept the President’s numbers static for a month, despite Obama’s giant, largely unanswered, ad blitz. For two months running, Obama has spent more money attacking Romney than he’s raised and it hasn’t helped Obama’s poll numbers.

    Part of that is the phenomenally fast response team Romney and the RNC have put together. They’re out ahead of Obama on almost every issue that matters to voters and when the latest distraction from Team Obama arises (gay marriage, DREAM, Bain) they’re on top of it with outreach to media, bloggers, and directly to voters. The Romney campaign is doing a great job compared to the other side.

    When it comes to the Bain trutherism, Romney pushed back hard last week, with multiple interviews, several surrogates striking back, and coordinated outreach to media and bloggers pointing out that Obama has been the Outsourcer-in-Chief. So the myth being peddled that Romney isn’t or wasn’t on offense doesn’t even have the ring of truth.

    Second, to the extent that being “on offense” is being equated with running expensive attack ads like the President is doing, there is no conceivable point. Obama’s numbers are not on the rise. He’s spending millions for no point. It would be one thing if the Bain trutherism were taking a toll on Romney or pumping up Obama’s numbers. But the President’s national approval numbers have been basically unchanged for a month. A majority of voters have never heard of Bain and likely won’t.

    The Romney campaign is doing the smart thing and holding fire until it really counts: the last eight weeks of the campaign. It would be one thing if it looked like the President’s campaign was getting traction. But so long as it’s not, Romney needs to stick with the plan: focus on the issue that matters most to voters, the economy. Blowing his campaign cash now would be pointlessly premature.

    The “go on offense” freakout seems at root to be a crisis of confidence. Yes, it’s frustrating that the President is a lying liar who makes stupid irrelevant lies about our candidate. But that’s no reason to go off half-cocked and waste a lot of effort for little return. The Romney response to the Bain trutherism has been appropriate. Engaging any more on that ground would be just what Obama wants.

    It’s quite simple. The Democrats have nothing else to run on. Obama would be more than happy to make the rest of the campaign, all four months, be about Romney and Bain. I don’t see any benefit to indulging him in that.

    • wmcb says:

      Yup. When your opponent is shooting himself in the foot and tearing through millions to do it, don’t interrupt him.

      • myiq2xu says:

        In the early rounds of the “Rumble in the Jungle” when Muhammed Ali was employing his rope-a-dope strategy, some people thought the referee should stop the fight because Ali was getting beaten so bad.

        George Foreman wore himself out and Ali knocked out Foreman in the 8th round.

    • cj says:

      That’s a refreshing read. This is spot on:

      “The Romney response to the Bain trutherism has been appropriate. Engaging any more on that ground would be just what Obama wants.”

      I’m so tired of listening to the RW attacks on Romney’s responses which I think are so short sighted.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.

      • elliesmom says:

        Those of us who watched Romney take on Ted Kennedy up close know that he’s a good campaigner. No one was going to unseat Kennedy, but Romney’s campaign put him in the national spotlight and set him up for the gubernatorial race later – a political office much better suited to Romney’s talents. He knows how to play a long game.

  10. myiq2xu says:

    If you want to see tribalism check out this thread:

    • Lulu says:

      What do you expect from the guy who advocated voting for a guy because the elite press liked him? No moral compass and will go along to get along. He will fall in line whenever told to do so while screaming his superiority.

    • elliesmom says:

      The people arguing over there that this is not a good campaign tactic for Obama were being too subtle. The tribe over there needed to hear that having Romney in two places at once and doing both jobs successfully is good for Romney. If the Democrats want to claim that Romney is a criminal, then they better send that Holder guy over to arrest him. BTW, I’m hearing Bill Weld’s name floating around for Attorney General in the Romney administration. That should give Jeralyn a few gray hairs.

    • DandyTiger says:

      I hope the Obama campaign and the new Dems keep at it. Their ignorance amuses me.

    • HELENK says:

      It is one of the curiosities of language that the transitive verb “barrack” (chiefly British, origin unknown) means to “shout or jeer at.” For that is precisely what our Barack, the one now occupying the White House, has descended to in his campaign against Mitt Romney. Shouting, jeering, name calling, and above all lying: “whatever it takes” to smear his political opponent and maintain his hold on the reins of power. It is, to use an adjective Romney himself employed recently, a disgusting performance

  11. HELENK says:

    today’s picture is great

  12. HELENK says:

    Is that the same as we never said backtack was a muslim, we just said he was adopted by a muslim and was registered in an Indonesian school as a muslim????

  13. angienc says:

    I’m glad there’s a thread on this over here. I posted this on Hillaryis44 last night & am cut & pasting it here (with some minor edits of the new anti-Romney meme I saw on Fox today):

    I’m sorry this hand-wringing & hysteria is misplaced. I get it from the MSM because they — even the so-called conservative pundits — are all pulling for Obama. However, all over the internet there is panic that he Romney campaign is a “disaster” and needs to “get its act together.” Um, the one that is out raising Obama right now to the extent that Obama is trolling for wedding gifts? Or the one that, despite Obama spending $100 million on these Bain attack ad buys in swing states is *still* statistically tied with the INCUMBENT president in JULY? (And the fact that Obama is the incumbent is a huge deal — even if the MSM wasn’t so blatantly acting as the PR team for Obama. July 1980 Carter was ahead of Reagan by 9 points & stayed ahead of Reagan all the way until the 2nd debate — and Carter wasn’t outspending Reagan 3-1 in JULY when no one but us political junkies are paying attention).

    The MSM & Team Obama love to talk about this pack of lies about Bain because it takes the focus off of the real issue — the economy. And while everyone in Team Obama & the MSM seem to be unaware that Obama has been POTUS for 3.5 years, the rest of us aren’t. Remember when Obama said the private sector was “doing fine” and Team Obama & the MSM turned around & jumped on Romney saying we don’t need more fireman, police & teachers, misrepresenting that Romney wanted to *fire* them? Everyone thought it was the end of the world then, too. Or how about Romney on a jet ski — that was his Kerry wind surfing moment the MSM told us — it was over, Romney was “too out of touch” with the average person (of course, only Team Obama is stupid enough to try to sell jet skis as being elitist — everyone else knows they are as redneck as it gets). Where’s that now? Yeah, the same place this Bain business will be before the convention when people actually *do* start paying attention — forgotten. The only reason slightly more people don’t see the difference between the Bain fake attack & the other other two fake attacks is that people don’t actually understand SEC filing requirements so they *think* maybe something is there so it’s bringing out the ABR people from the primaries as well as the Obots– trust me, there is nothing there.

    Plus, two very important things: (1) By law, Romney can’t spend a lot of the money he’s raised until he is the official nominee at the convention. Him wasting money on counter ads against ads that *are not working* ($100 million spent by Obama on these in swing states & he hasn’t moved the needle in skewed, outrageously over-weighted Dem polls) is not wise. Better to save his power for when it will have the most impact. (2) For all his faults, Romney didn’t get to retire in his 40s with $250 milliom in the bank & then go to work — for free — to save the Utah Olympics & serve as governor of MA (as a Republican!) by failing to see early warning signs or by being impatient. The pundits — who to a one on both sides of the aisle were gaga over Obama in 2008 & who were predicting that Obama was a “lock” for re-election as of February 2012 so the GOP should just forget trying to beat him & just concentrate on trying to win Senate seats — have never had the success Romney has & have never actually worked on a presidential campaign (some have worked for a sitting president, but that’s a very different thing). Does Romney look like he’s panicking? Does Karl Rove look likes his panicking? Obama is the one panicking going so negative, so early & on something that is so totally untrue that even the Washington Post & CNN — no Romney fans they — have declared Obama “is blowing smoke.” But despite the MSM cries of “look how rich Romney is!” people are *not* looking at 42 straight months of unemployment more than 8%, friends & family out of work, national policies that are a disaster & thinking “what was Romney doing 14 years ago” or “at least Obama doesn’t have a Swiss bank account.”

    The last thing Romney needs to do is allow the Obama team & the MSM to dictate how he runs his campaign. The more he tries to defend himself or gives in on releasing records (which is what they want), the more they will find to attack Romney. Yes, Romney needs to confront Obama & the MSM — but he is going to *have* to do that at the debates, when the public can see it in real time & without giving the MSM a chance to spin it. Look at how the MSM distorted the “we don’t need more firemen” thing. Look at how the MSM is spinning Romney’s very clear response to the “felon” attack – Romney clearly said he was proud of both his work at Bain & the work Bain did after he left but this is all a distraction from the Obama campaign to take the focus off of the real issues — the economy. And the MSM is declaring that Romney “is running away from Bain like a scalded cat!!!!” Basically, the opposite of what Romney said. Further, Romney was very forceful in saying that the felon attack was disgusting & beneath the office of the president, and that Obama should apologize & reign his team in and he further stated that when he clinched the nomination Obama called him to congratulate him on the win & said he looked forward to a serious discussion on the issues facing this country and instead all he’s gotten from Obama was negative personal attacks because he can’t run on his record. That’s about as close as you can get with calling the POTUS a filthy, dirty rat who will say anything to get re-elected & who is running away from *his* record. And what is the MSM saying? They ignored almost everything Romney said (especially the “distraction” part) and declared that Romney “whined for an apology.” (I saw Megan Kelly on Fox at lunch time today mimicking Romney with a high pitched “I want an apology!” voice — the *new* meme is that both Obama *and* Romney are distracted by minutia for the love of God!). Pfft. I’m disappointed that people seem to buy it — Romney doesn’t expect an apology from Obama — Romney knows exactly who Obama is the same as we do — Romney said that to show voters how low Obama is. And Obama is the one looking like a punk while Romney looks like the guy keeping his head. The *only* time Romney can confront Obama and the MSM face to face is at the debates because that is the only way he can cut the MSM out of spinning what he says.

    As for the thread the bainers are clinging to, as I’ve already explained in previous threads, they don’t understand property rights. They do not understand how a private equity, privately held (i.e., not publicly traded) company works. Romney didn’t receive any “salary” from Bain as CEO — he withdrew funds from his *own share* of Bain — that is, he took some of his *own money* invested in Bain out. Those SEC docs where he is listed as “CEO” is Bain VI — all the partners investments are formed into their “own” company (hence, the Roman numerals to distinguish them). Romney drew his *own* money from his *own* company. Bain VI had nothing to do with “running Bain” other than Romney’s funds were used for the investments Bain made. That is why he is also listed as the “sole shareholder” in Bain VI. An analogy would be if you withdrew money from your 401(k) — that is *your* money in there that you have invested. If you withdraw it, you are not being paid a *salary* from your 401(k). Romney didn’t remain as the “nominal CEO” of Bain — he remained the *owner* of his investment in Bain. You would not take his name off of that investment until he actually sold his share in Bain.

    See, explaining all this isn’t very helpful & really does take the issue way off track. It wouldn’t do any good to try to because (1) the average guy doesn’t care and (2) the *fact* is that the MSM & the people in the Obama campaign *do* understand it* & they are misrepresenting it anyway.

    *I will accept that Mother Jones & Talking Points Memo — where the story the Boston Globe printed actually originated — don’t understand *any* of this, because they’re a bunch of morons.

  14. HELENK says:

    now they want the minutes from the Bain co meetings.

    FU to team obama, I want to see the records of his meetings with Ayres, Blago, Rezko and quite a few others

    • HELENK says:

      I want the minutes of the meetings between the backtack bunch and big pharma to get obamacare written

      if I were Romney I would tell them

      ” People in hell want ice water”

    • angienc says:

      See how it is with them? You can’t give them an inch. That is why Bill Kristol screaming that it is “crazy” that Romney doesn’t release more taxes is 100% wrong. Of course, Bill Kristol is the guy who said Hillary was calling for Obama’s assassination when she mentioned Bobby Kennedy still campaigning in June for the nomination, so he’s a total ass anyway. Bill Kristol is the *last* person anyone should be listening to.

  15. HELENK says:

    Off Topic

    the LOST treaty has been sunk by congress

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