DNC Night II Open Thread

Another night of speechifying, starring the Big Dawg. Between the NFL opener and the Giants/D-Backs game I’ll catch a few bits and pieces. Tomorrow night I promise to watch the whole thing. Maybe.

If you’re gonna watch it tonight here’s the place to discuss it.

Miss me yet?

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194 Responses to DNC Night II Open Thread

  1. myiq2xu says:

    That Big Elbow of Karma Strikes Again: Feds Seek Prison Time For Obama “Hope” Artist

    Federal prosecutors want Shepard Fairey, the artist who created the Barack Obama “Hope” poster, to serve time in prison following his misdemeanor conviction for destroying and fabricating documents in connection with a civil lawsuit over the iconic campaign image.

    In advance of Friday’s scheduled sentencing of Fairey in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, the Department of Justice has filed a memorandum arguing that a prison term for the 42-year-old artist would be “appropriate.”

  2. swanspirit says:

    If the Ravens were playing I might not watch , but at this point it is like watching a train wreck , fascinating …

  3. wmcb says:

  4. swanspirit says:

    Anderson Cooper said Wasserman-Schultz interview was from an alternate universe

  5. DandyTiger says:

    Turns out the Obama people have not seen WJC’s speech, even yet. But now they’re all saying Bill has to save Obama or, get this, it will be a smudge on Bill’s record. Yep.

  6. elliesmom says:

    Listening to Arne Duncan, I’m flabbergasted that the “head teacher of the US” says that teachers shouldn’t be “teaching to a test”. Everyone knows that a good teacher teaches kids stuff, and then tests them on something else. /s

    A good teacher decides what it is important for kids to learn. (The essential questions). Then the good teacher designs a way to measure whether she has succeeded in teaching her students what she was trying to teach them. (the test, paper, project, etc.) Then she designs lessons so that the kids can succeed at demonstrating that learning. Any teacher who isn’t teaching to a test is a crappy teacher.
    The question that we should be asking is “Is this a test worth teaching to?”

    FTR, Mitt Romney gets this. He also gets that teaching to the least common denominator is what schools need to do to meet the requirements of NCLB, but it’s costing us the “best and the brightest”. We need to teach our gifted students, too, but it does seem that keeping our kids marginally successful, but no too successful in school, has been the goal for the last decade or so.

    • darraghcmurphy says:

      Honk times a million

    • Jadzia says:

      Seriously. Although I think “marginally successful but not too successful” has been the prevalent model for a lot longer than a decade. Although from what I’ve seen of the G&T programs out there (both as a so-called “beneficiary” a million years ago and as a parent before we left), they leave a lot to be desired.

  7. myiq2xu says:

    Dickhead Morris says BC wants Obama to lose.

  8. carol haka says:

    Bill and Bushes are real friends and love this country. I’m still hoping he let’s Obama have it right between the eyes 👿

  9. myiq2xu says:

  10. myiq2xu says:

    I’ll be back later, I have to take my mom to the urgent care.

    She swallowed her dentures when she heard the Democrats voting against God.

  11. DandyTiger says:

    When you’re in a panic, in fear, you tend to make bad decisions. Hence the DNC, tonight especially. They’re going full on everything Clinton. Obama will be just like Clinton in his second term if you elect him. It’s all about Bill Clinton. Um, how are the young people who love Obama supposed to square that with Bill being the most evil racist ever, who was even worse than Reagan?

  12. lyn5 says:

    Just read that Bill is going to blame Republicans for the economic mess. Didn’t the derivatives mess start on his watch because no one wanted to regulate it?

    • DM says:

      I blame Reagan, but sometimes Carter, but when I look deeper into who’s to blame, I blame Nixon. Wait, I think it was Johnson’s fault.

      • lyn5 says:

        LOL! I blame George Washington … the Founding Fathers … God! (Not in that order.)

        • DM says:

          Fix it already!

          Bush should have fixed all problems, if any, created by Bill Clinton. After four years, Obama should have fixed all problems created by Bush.

  13. DandyTiger says:

    Just in: Obama will make a surprise visit just after Bill finishes. Desperate much.

  14. DandyTiger says:

  15. leslie says:

    from twitter:
    Mary Katharine Ham‏@mkhammer

    Hey-ohhh! RT @thegarance: RT @ryangrim Are Democrats really using an actual used car salesman to pitch their message? #dnc2012

  16. DM says:

    “The feud is ongoing and probably permanent. I tried to reach out to him, but he doesn’t care about guys like me. If he wants to continue isolating me, badmouthing me, that’s fine. I’m fine.” — Bill Richardson

    Richardson is a slime ball, stupid and clueless.

  17. leslie says:

    I just read that Sandra Fluke’s speech at #DNC2012 was canceled tonite.

  18. myiq2xu says:

    Here comes Fauxcahontas.

  19. carol haka says:

    Liar Liar Pants on Fire! This is the worst display of BullShit I have ever listened to. 👿

  20. HELENK says:

    I have read that backtrack will show up during Bill’s speech. I may give up watching JAG reruns and see Bill talk and backtrack sweat

  21. I can’t believe that he believes all of that shit he’s saying…..

  22. myiq2xu says:

    Chelsea’s looking good.

  23. leslie says:

    He just implied that Obama didn’t build it himself. saying that “most presidents want you to believe they grew up in a log cabin they built themselves. but they didn’t”. (paraphrasing)

  24. cj says:

    Melissa Clouthier‏@MelissaTweets

    RT @GayPatriot: Only Bill Clinton could make this #DNC2012 cheer for President George W. Bush.

  25. cj says:

    Melissa Clouthier‏@MelissaTweets

    RT @TheRickWilson: Bill Clinton’s big difference with Obama: he likes people, he likes making deals.

  26. rhythm says:

    do whatcha gotta do Big Dawg…we know how you really feel!! spit.

    Hillary 2016! 🙂

  27. simofish says:

    I’m watching the SF Giants game.

    Thoughts on the Big Dawg’s speech?? Helping? Hurting?

  28. rhythm says:

    lol wmcb…yep.

  29. HELENK says:

    not watching, but reading some of the live blogs.
    Did I understand that Bill nominated backtrack as standard bearing for the democratic party? That is not president of the USA is it?

  30. myiq2xu says:

    This speech is turning into a real snoozer.

  31. gumsnapper says:

    Haha, he’s going overtime. O won’t be speaking in primetime. Lots of people have gone to bed by now.

  32. myiq2xu says:

    Well, he brought it in in less than 1 hour.

  33. wmcb says:

  34. carol haka says:

    Can’t wait for Sarah Palin to mock their stink! 👿

    • leslie says:

      Not reading it. Was she there? or is it just stereotyping?

      • HELENK says:

        Maria del Rosario Castro, the mother of San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, said in 2010 that she grew up being told the battle was “glorious,” only to learn the so-called heroes were really “a bunch of drunks and crooks and slaveholding imperialists who conquered land that didn’t belong to them.”

        “But as a little girl I got the message — we were losers,” she told New York Times Magazine. “I can truly say that I hate that place and everything it stands for.”

        • Lulu says:

          And Mrs Castro’s forefathers enslaved the indigenous people and worked them to death after torturing them to convert to Christianity. Yes they they were horribly mistreated when their turn came a couple of centuries later. It is selective outrage and currently very chic.

        • DM says:

          The main reason that slaves were brought from Africa is that the whites could not enslave the indigenous people of the continent. They knew the land and could leave any time. I’m not saying that the Spanish were good to the indigenous either, but enslaving them is a stretch.

    • mcnorman says:


      Let’s just say that these are the true colors of the crowd that says it has assimilated and is immersed in the tapestry of immigrants. As a Latino, I can tell you that they are full of sh*t. They could not say squat or do squat in Mexico, but they come here to tell us what’s what. Shameful.

  35. gram cracker says:

    Preview of Obama’s speech tomorrow

  36. DandyTiger says:

    Breaking: Obama asking Bill Clinton to remain involved in the campaign.

    I have to say, it really bothered me to see Bill use the race card, twice, in his speech. Not cool at all. It makes me think a lot less of him.

    • lyn5 says:

      Yeah, I feel the same way. I think the Democrats lost me forever.

    • elliesmom says:

      I enjoyed the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years, and as President, he was entertaining. But he is a member of the Democratic Party above all else. We have to be careful not to turn him into a blank slate that we use to make him into who we want him to be. We want him to hold a grudge and secretly work to unseat Obama because if we were in his shoes, that’s what we’d like to do, but I didn’t hear anything in his speech that suggested that’s what he was doing. I’m disappointed that he played the race card, too, but if that’s going to be the party line, it’s not surprising that he’s going along with it.

  37. myiq2xu says:

    My mom: “He was very persuasive. By the time he was done I was ready to go out and vote.”

    Me: “For who?”

    My mom: “Bill Clinton”

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  39. DandyTiger says:

    I was going to watch Warren’s speech, but my Google smoke signal translator wasn’t working.

  40. gram cracker says:

    Uh Oh! New book by Woodward, “The Price of Politics,” coming out September 11. Debt Deal Collapse Led to ‘Pure Fury’ From President Obama

    An explosive mix of dysfunction, miscommunication, and misunderstandings inside and outside the White House led to the collapse of a historic spending and debt deal that President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner were on the verge of reaching last summer, according to revelations in author Bob Woodward’s latest book.

    With the president taking charge, though, Obama found that he had little history with members of Congress to draw on. His administration’s early decision to forego bipartisanship for the sake of speed around the stimulus bill was encapsulated by his then-chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel: “We have the votes. F— ’em,” he’s quoted in the book as saying.

    “Obama doesn’t really have the joy of the game. Clinton basically loved negotiating with a bunch of pols, about anything,” Summers said. “Whereas, Obama, he really didn’t like these guys.”

    Summers said that Obama’s “excessive pragmatism” was a problem. “I don’t think anybody has a sense of his deep feelings about things.” Summers said. “I don’t think anybody has a sense of his deep feelings about people. I don’t think people have a sense of his deep feelings around the public philosophy.”


      • Lulu says:

        “…he really didn’t like these guys.”
        Who exactly does Obama like other than himself?

        • gram cracker says:

          He loves him some Reggie.

          Reginald L. Love (born April 29, 1982) served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man for “taking care of the president’s needs”, to United States President Barack Obama.

          Is body man a euphemism for butt boy?

        • Lulu says:

          I doubt he likes him either but rather tolerated him as long as he was useful. As soon as old Reggie wanted something back he was gone.

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  44. myiq2xu says:

    We are a little over 200 hits from setting a new record at TCH. We have until 11:59 Pacific to make it.

  45. angienc says:

    And in tonight’s “what’s pissing me off on FB” news — idiot progs who were crucifying Bill Clinton as a racist, triangulating, adulterer in 2008 are bending over backward kissing his ass, praising him & “thanking” him tonight.


    But don’t fool yourselves: Clinton stumping for Obama in 2008 when he had no record is a very different thing from Clinton endorsing Obama in 2012 when he has a record of failure. The ballot is going to have “Obama” on it, not “Clinton” and now everyone knows *exactly* what that means.

    • simofish says:

      That is so true ! I also want to think some might be saying “Hillary would have been so much better”. Maybe a Romney win could set up HRC in 2016.

      • angienc says:

        That’s the plan — or at least *my* plan, because I guarantee 4 more years of Obama will put the final nail in that coffin.

    • DandyTiger says:

      Good post. I disagreed with some of it, see my comment there.

    • HELENK says:

      the sad thing is you are right. Hilary is a brilliant woman. Yes at the time she was growing up and just married, women had to get their power thru a man. The times did change some things for the better , some things not so good for women. Her decision to stay will bill to many younger women was not understood and seen as a sign of weakness. Her decision to work for backtrack did not help change that image. In a sad way she without realizing is saying that a brilliant woman can not make it on her own

  46. gram cracker says:

    After Obama accepts his party’s coronation tomorrow night Michelle will come out and sing about her love for dat one. Here she is rehearsing in her party dress.

  47. leslie says:

    I wish I could watch you break the record, but I have to get up for work in the morning, really soon.

    ‘nite all

    • DandyTiger says:

      They’re all racists obviously. /s

    • DM says:

      That’s not what I’ve read. Every report I’ve seen shows that the first night of the DNC had more viewers.

      The Nielsen Co. said about 26.2 million people watched the opening night of the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday in Charlotte, N.C., where the first lady was the featured speaker.

      Last week, Nielsen said 22.3 million watched the first night of the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., where potential first lady Ann Romney talked about her husband, Mitt. The same number of viewers watched the Democrats’ first night in 2008, when Michelle Obama was also the featured speaker.


  48. HELENK says:


    other than getting paid to get laid what is flakey fluke’s point?

  49. HELENK says:


    decisions, decisions, stay on floor and listen to speeches or duck out and watch the game

  50. gram cracker says:

    Oh my, what has happened to the Democratic party? And Hillary, don’t be a fool, Barack doesn’t own you.

    • gram cracker says:

      Great minds think alike.

    • westcoaster says:

      this link can be deleted- I posted it at the same time as the one above.

    • gram cracker says:

      Yep they don’t own us.

      • carol haka says:

        Remember how you came up with the name “gram cracker”? 👿

        • gram cracker says:

          Used to go by “typical gram cracker” in honor of BO’s much maligned granny “Toots” Madelyn Dunham after she was thrown under the bus in his greatest speech evah on racism in which he referred to her as a “typical white woman.”

          “In an interview with sports radio 610 WIP in Philly early this morning, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said “the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, well there’s a reaction that’s in our experiences that won’t go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that’s just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it.”

          He says he wouldn’t be running if he didn’t think he “could help the country work through some of these issues,” while also working on the economy and Iraq, etc.”

          I use “gram” for a couple reasons. Gram flour is made from whole wheat, not just bleached white flour without the hull. My genetic makeup is kind of like Heinz 57 varieties – mostly English, German, native American and perhaps some African. 1880 census says about my great grandmother “May be white, but looks like Mulatto”. I like for my grand kids to call me “grammy” or “gram”. And of course “cracker” is a pejorative expression word for white people, especially poor rural whites in the Southern United States.

          Thanks for askin.

  51. gram cracker says:

    Own by no party or religion since 1969. This was my song in the late 60s. And I had the flip hair style. Used to sleep with hair rolled up on juice cans.

  52. HELENK says:


    I am not sure how I feel about this article. I would like to believe that Bill was making hidden points but I am not sure

    • DM says:

      I didn’t hear the speech (I wasn’t interested), but this line is interesting.

      “No president — no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.” But could others have done better? Clinton didn’t say, of course,

      I think he was saying to the stupid Democrats applauding, Hillary could have.

    • swanspirit says:

      When Bill said, NO PRESIDENT could have done better, he lost me , because I know for a fact Hillary or even McCain would have done better than Obama

      • DM says:

        No president means just that: Not Obama, or G.W.B., or Bill Clinton (he couldn’t say that he could have done better), etc., etc.

        It was political hyperbole, but an interesting one. His job was to plump Obama’s cushion everyone else does. He had nothing to lose by giving that speech.

        • swanspirit says:

          Nothing at all , and one thing he absolutely did , for me personally was make me nostalgic for him , or wish that Hillary had won , or that anyone besides the incompetent we have now , or at least until January

  53. HELENK says:

    If I hear one more story about people walking eight miles in the snow without shoes, uphill, both ways, I’m going to start longing for a little Clint Eastwood spontaneity out here.

    Charles Krauthammer

  54. HELENK says:


    backtrack saw platform before convention.
    Had no problem until people started complaining. then he called for change, I think that is called leading from behind

    • swanspirit says:

      of course he saw it , none of them wanted it changed until the networks starting commenting and it looked like the disaster it was , until of course they made it worse 😉

    • DM says:

      “This becomes a no-lose situation for the Clintons,” said Sununu who was chief of staff to President George H.W. Bush. “If Obama wins, he gets credit for having made that victory and if Obama loses, Hillary is well positioned for 2016.”

      Sununu said Clinton is “really not a fan” of Obama and is only making the speech – one of the most anticipated of the convention – to help his wife in four years’ time. “Bill Clinton is smart enough to have that all figured out,” he said.

      I agree that BC is no fan of Obama, and also that he gave that speech because he thinks Hillary will run in 2016, but I don’t believe that.

  55. westcoaster says:

    Obama in 1996 trashing the Clintons and their “static notion of values”. Just released today on buzzfeed:

  56. Chillin Black Guy says:

    Man, Obama and the dems are doing a terrible job.


    This is all awesome. Luckily for his haters, Obama is terrible at giving speeches and motivating a crowd so he’ll be terrible tonight.

    Hold up, wait a second . . .

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