MoJo Finds A Nothingburger

They think they “caught” Mitt Romney in a major gaffe.

No, seriously. Watch the video.

Mitt Romney Video: Barack Obama Voters ‘Dependent On Government’

The overwhelming majority of voters who back President Barack Obama do so because they are “dependent on government” and “believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,” Mitt Romney told a closed-door gathering of about 30 major donors earlier this year, according to video of the event that has surfaced on the Internet.

The person who uploaded a series of potentially inflammatory videos from the fundraiser has claimed authorship of them in an email exchange with The Huffington Post. The source said he or she wishes to remain anonymous for professional reasons and to avoid a lawsuit. The videos, which have created a buzz on the Internet, were blurred and at times blacked out to obscure the location of the filming, the source said.

“I have obviously degraded the quality to attempt to camo the location,” said the clandestine filmmaker. The original, which has not been posted in full, is very high quality, the source said.

The source has given the full video to Mother Jones’ David Corn, the source said.


It’s Romney’s remark about the president’s backers that might have the most potential to undermine his candidacy, however, as Romney seeks to persuade people who voted for Obama in 2008 to switch this time.

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” Romney says in one clip. “All right — there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing.”

Now think about these words:

“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country” – John F. Kennedy.

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150 Responses to MoJo Finds A Nothingburger

  1. It’s not true that 47% of Americans pay no taxes. It’s that 47% of Americans OWE no taxes after filing their returns. Thats because everyone is so damn poor after 8 years of Bush and 4 years of Obama. They make some shit amount of money for the year, figure in their deductions (Like all the great deductions for working and tuition and saving for college and day care and mortgage interest we love Bill Clinton for making happen for the working class) and then voila, they owe either nothing or get a little refund check. But they dont get back the social security and medicare taxes they paid.

    Only 18% of Americans pay no taxes (no payroll taxes, no SS, and no Medicare). Those are the old people on Social Security. And the very very small number of destitute younger people. And the housewives (ahem, calling Ann Romney. Where’s your “sense of personal responsibility” Ann? Mitt Romney wants to know.)

    Anyone who earns a paycheck is having taxes taken out of them — payroll, SS, and medicare.

    What Romney is saying is horse shit — and it’s class warfare. The people stuck working 25 hours a week at Walmart and 20 hours a week at the car wash to make ends meet dont end up owing taxes at the end of the year after they pay their SS and Medicare and unemployment (and sales and meals and real estate and health care and excise) TAXES for the year.

    Oh, and housewives who “never worked a day in their lives” — they dont pay any taxes either. Why does Mitt Romney hate rich white women?

    • Oh, and the working poor people I know do NOT “believe that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing.”

      They are simply working as hard as they can to keep the lights on and their kids above water and dont know what the fuck hit them the last 10 years.

      • yttik says:

        Murphy, where I live we have a whole lot of Obots advocating that people go on welfare, get food stamps, deliberately depend on the Gov. They’re rich liberals who believe capitalism will be destroyed if enough people just stop “playing the game.” At the DNC they even high lighted how we all belong to the Gov. Locally I hear that all the time. The end result is policies and laws that make it virtually impossible to provide for yourself without government assistance.

      • Key word there: working. If they’re poor and working, it’s largely because they can’t stomach the thought of going on welfare. Those people resent having to work and still being poor, but they are not about to go beneath their dignity to go on welfare. They also tend to resent the people on welfare, at least the ones not doing jack about their situations. Some working poor might be better off if they did go on welfare in some cases, but it’s not an option either because they have morals, or because they were once on welfare and they know first hand how people get treated and what a trip it does to your head. I’m in the latter group. I wouldn’t go on welfare again unless I was so starving I’d dropped substantial pounds and had no where but a bridge overhang to live. I’d live in my car first.

        And now you see his strategy. There are people he is not going to convince and he’s not bothering himself with Obots, whether they’re in the creative class with their soft bigotry of low expectations, or on welfare milking those chumps. He doesn’t need to turn them. There are plenty of people who do work or want to work he can convince, of various classes. And I don’t have a problem at all with him playing class warfare. Obama does, so why shouldn’t he? Somebody was bitching about wanting to see this style of fighting just today, and it looks like they got it. And MoJo fell for it.

    • Mary says:

      Who told you that “old people on Social Security” don’t pay taxes?

    • elliesmom says:

      When I was a stay-at-home mom, my name was on our bill from the IRS. If my husband had defaulted on paying the taxes on his income, I would have been equally responsible for paying the bill. While it’s true that people who owe no income taxes still pay for FICA and medicare out of their paycheck, thanks to the Earned Income Tax Credit, there are a lot of people out there who get a welfare check every year disguised as an income tax refund. While his presentation might sound snotty, he’s right. People who are not going to be asked to give anything themselves are more likely to vote for the guy who is going to give them more.

      • Mary says:

        Well said.

        • Constance says:

          Did you notice a flood of gottcha “news” stories from the Obama enablers today? There was the “punked FOX news” clip that made the Obot look drunk and rambling which they seem to think was clever. Now the gotcha secret Romney tape tightly clipped and out of context. Then the Romney campaign in disarray, and I even heard some more Libya quote outrage.

          But I didn’t hear anything regarding the terrorist attack and assassination of our ambassador on September 11th. They can’t hush it up for ever and you’d think they would just want to get it over with and not be caught in any cover up lies.
          They must be feeling very threatened. I don’t think it is prudent to unleash their bag of dirty tricks this soon.

        • Mary says:

          Yes, Constance. I think they’re frantic to change the subject from Obama’s total f-up in the Middle East.
          But I don’t think it’s gonna work. 🙂

      • Stay at home mothers provide a huge, unpaid, service to the economy by not competing for jobs and freeing up their husbands to pursue careers, especially higher paying careers. I think they should get a tax credit, personally.

        • carol haka says:

          I didn’t get to be a stay at home Mother. I had to earn a high paying salary in half the daily work day time and in high heels, then rush home to be a full time parent the next 17 hours. I think I should get a tax credit! 👿

        • I think you should too, Carol.

          That’s what the Clintons did and tried to do. Make working life easier for people like you.

      • catarina says:

        The Earned Income Credit isn’t just for single parents.
        Married couples filing jointly and single people can also qualify.

        See here:

        Click to access earned_income_credit_table_1040i.pdf

        This refundable credit is paid for by other taxpayers.

        I’ve seen business owners and owners of multiple homes qualify.
        It’s absolutely welfare.

        • carol haka says:

          If I remember correctly, I made too much to qualify for earned income. And when Ryan went to USC – no discount. Life was good from hard and efficient work when I met all of you 4 years ago until the won fucked it all up. I’m retooling to win again when the creep is served his walking papers. 👿 Still hoping for powerball or megamillions.

        • I’m sure you’re right C — and maybe it should be abolished or tightened up so it helps only the people who need/deserve it. But that doesnt mean small business owners who take advantage of a legal tax credit “believe that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing.”

          My nephew is a 22 year old who lost his way a bit after high school. Now he works part time, goes to community college, and is paying his own way (tuition, books, rent, food). He gets some help from his extended family. He gets Mass Health because he qualifies for it (Thanks, Mitt!) and it sucks to be a kid with an abcessed tooth and no way to have it treated, so yes, he takes advantage of health insurance he can afford.

          He does NOT think the government owes him anything. He pays taxes on his shit little income. Much of it, but certainly not all, he gets back in April. But not the FICA and SS.

          I know this is just a personal story and the plural of anecdote is not data, but I can think of easily a dozen friends and acquaintances for whom this is true — who are poor, almost poor, or used to be poor, and they are working HARD to get out of that situation and do not think they are victims whom the government must save, and I bet everyone reading this can too.

          If Mitt Romney doesnt know that he needs to get the fuck out of Belmont Heights a little more often.

        • catarina says:

          It’s Belmont *Hill,* not *Heights.*

          Damn you, now I overcooked the fucking pasta.

        • catarina says:

          maybe it should be abolished or tightened up so it helps only the people who need/deserve it.

          How do we decide who “needs/deserves it?”
          Once you start handing out dough it can get pretty out of control.
          Where to draw the line?

          Ask 10 people what’s “fair.”

        • Belmont Hill, Newton Highlands, whatever the fuck.

          sorry about the pasta.

        • agreed on how do you decide whats fair. Maybe it should just be abolished. I’m a rube on the tax code. Just ask my non-existent accountant.

          But almost ALL people in this country (middle class, poor, black, white, brown, yellow, green) just want to hold on and maybe even get ahead for themselves or barring that for their kids. It’s called the American Dream for gods sake.

          Romney and Rubio were supposed to OWN that argument. Work hard, dont look for handouts and shortcuts and succeed eventually. It was what made Rubio’s speech at the convention so appealing and persuasive. Nikki Haley’s too.

          Calling the working poor, like the Vietnamese (legal) immigrant woman I know who owns a sewing contract company in Dorchester and works all damn day 7 days a week, sends her kids to Boston Latin School and pays my mother to tutor them in math so they get into good colleges — calling her a lazy leech who expects the government to take care of her and pay her bills is just WRONG. Not only because it is so untrue, but to be cynically political for a second —

          It makes them look like elitist, ivory tower, Belmont Hill assholes.

        • carol haka says:

          The truth is we have more than enough money to give everyone high quality healthcare, a good education, feed the poor and start them on the right path. Wwe spend zillions more warehousing inmates than it would ever cost helping families that need it before their children grow up preparing for their future incarcination. 👿 We throw away more than that on studies on shrimp on a treadmill, funding Nancy P’s Arts and Miseums for a bunch of rich people, giving away our Armed Services protection for free in a zillion countries and fucking ourselves by not getting energy independent.

        • carol haka says:

          The system needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I know if we are ever lucky enough to have President Sarah, I think we will get that overhaul. She is the only one that gets it. 👿

    • angienc says:

      Considering the amount of class warfare Obama has been playing, I’m willing to cut Romney some slack with the word parsing. But I will say two things:

      (1) He didn’t say 47% of all Americans. He said 47% of people who vote for Obama, Mathematically, that’s significant difference that dramatically alters the premise of your argument.
      (2) Unlike Obama’s bitter-clinger comment, this isn’t anything Romney hasn’t said to people’s faces at campaign events. FOX’s “America’s Election Headquarters” promo has a clip of Romney saying at a public rally “If you want free stuff, vote for the other guy.”

    • DM says:

      You are totally correct. It’s the same b.s. that the Obama people try to pull on Romney! But to be sure, even those who don’t pay income tax, pay sales tax, which is a big burden for the poor.

  2. Oswald says:

    I wonder why Obama won’t let cameras into his fundraisers? What is he saying about Romney voters?

  3. Im voting for Romney. Obama sucks way worse, he and the DNC need to be punished for 2008 until they are ALL gone from politics, and I actually trust Romney to do a good job as President.

    But I hate that lying, smug bullshit that treats all of us as low information voters.

    • catarina says:

      I don’t see where Romney’s lying.

      People paying into their own Social Security, which Obama lowered by 2% Goddess knows why, is not the same as paying Federal Income Tax.

      Romney’s number is correct.

      The Dems actually encourage people to be dependent on government. DId you hear the commie shit they spewed at the Convention?

      Remember “Julia?”

      • The lie is that 47% of the electorate “are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing.”

        Being a working poor person who doesnt owe federal payroll taxes at the end of the year but who worked her/his ass off all year long and paid FICA, Medicare, real estate, state, excise, sales, and health care taxes does not make her/him a leech who is dependent on the govmt or believes s/he is entitled to all the good things in life on the tax payer’s dime.

        • catarina says:

          Someone who worked their ass off has to pay for your “working poor person’s” EITC check from the Feds.

          That’s income redistribution, no matter how you sugar coat it.

        • Yep, we spread the resources. My town contributes way more in income and capital gains taxes to the coffers than some of the towns bordering us. Other towns and people get the benefit of the income and capital gains taxes paid by the rich people in my town. That’s how it works.

          Insurance policies spread the risks. It’s an eminently reasonable and common sense approach. Abuse, corruption, and idealism and/or ideology run amok have to policed and reined in, but income and resource distribution over a national population is what taxes ARE.

          If the EITC is blatantly unfair or too easy to be abused it should be abolished or amended.

        • wmcb says:

          The entire tax code needs to be overhauled for one simple reason: I have come to believe that using the tax code to achieve policy goals creates more problems than it solves. It breeds corruption, and inefficiency, and jockeying formfavors, and fixes for the fixes for the fixes that didn’t work, at an astonishing rate.

          The purpose of taxes is to raise revenue for the govt. Period. That should be its SOLE function. Not social engineering.
          It should be structured in such a way so as to not overly burden those with the least, and to bring in the most money.

          If our govt would then like to take some of those tax dollars and give them directly to certain people or projects, then let’s get that all out in the open and decide if we want to do so. Force them to do it where we all can see – don’t tuck it into some obscure IRS loophole.

          This bullshit of using the tax code as a backdoor benefits program, whether for a corporation or for a genuinely good program, needs to go.

      • And yep I remember Julia — she sucked. That was the closest to actual communism that I ever saw. That wasnt even socialism. Really bad, and shocking.

      • swanspirit says:

        Hi Caterina . I really have no problem with what Mitt said . What Obama has said and done and is doing is so much worse this little blip pales in comparison.

    • DM says:

      I also disagree that 47% that vote for Obama are poor. Lots of rich people vote for Obama. It makes them feel good, especially if they are intellectuals. I think Obama’s hard core voters are close to GW’s hard core supporters, just below 40%

  4. 49erDweet says:

    Apparently MoJo was unaware some folks don’t vote altruisticly. Bummer! Who’d a thunk it!

  5. Oswald says:


    Asked why he wouldn’t go full-throttle and assail Obama as corrupt, Romney explained the internal thinking of his campaign and revealed that he and his aides, in response to focus-group studies conducted by his consultants, were hesitant to hammer the president too hard out of fear of alienating independents who voted for Obama in 2008:

    We speak with voters across the country about their perceptions. Those people I told you—the five to six or seven percent that we have to bring onto our side—they all voted for Barack Obama four years ago. So, and by the way, when you say to them, “Do you think Barack Obama is a failure?” they overwhelmingly say no. They like him. But when you say, “Are you disappointed that his policies haven’t worked?” they say yes. And because they voted for him, they don’t want to be told that they were wrong, that he’s a bad guy, that he did bad things, that he’s corrupt. Those people that we have to get, they want to believe they did the right thing, but he just wasn’t up to the task. They love the phrase that he’s “over his head.” But if we’re– but we, but you see, you and I, we spend our day with Republicans. We spend our days with people who agree with us. And these people are people who voted for him and don’t agree with us. And so the things that animate us are not the things that animate them. And the best success I have at speaking with those people is saying, you know, the president has been a disappointment. He told you he’d keep unemployment below eight percent. Hasn’t been below eight percent since. Fifty percent of kids coming out of school can’t get a job. Fifty percent. Fifty percent of the kids in high school in our 50 largest cities won’t graduate from high school. What’re they gonna do? These are the kinds of things that I can say to that audience that they nod their head and say, “Yeah, I think you’re right.” What he’s going to do, by the way, is try and vilify me as someone who’s been successful, or who’s, you know, closed businesses or laid people off, and is an evil bad guy. And that may work.

    • HELENK says:

      obots understand American Idol more than they understand American Ideals

    • angienc says:

      Somehow this is news to Mother Jones — they haven’t been paying attention as this tack has been obvious since the campaign began. But, of course, they aren’t able to put 2 & 2 together on their own.

      • PolitiFact, not known for it’s Conservative Bias, last year supported the claim….

        Just sayin.

        That being said, I make less than $30K a year in most years. I am a SELF-EMPLOYED ARTIST and I PAY SE TAX as well as Property Tax, Sales Tax, Fed Tax on 1099’s etc.

        I PAY TAX. Period.

        Lat time I got a “refund” was the second year after the Bush “refund” or whatever they called it. (happened to be Obummer’s first year in Office. It was $400.00) But it wasn’t REALLY $400.00. The SAME YEAR, under Obama, I also had an “Audit by mail”

        They said I OWED $435.00.

        I went to HR Block for them to REDO my taxes. Turned out the IRS owed ME the $435.00. It cost me $213.00 to find that out.

        I had a very bad potential medical problem. I “applied” for Medicaid. (I was 52 then) The thought of potentially having cancer made me scared as hell. Not because of the DISEASE, but because of the money.

        I was told, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, that unless I was a 1.) a Single Mother, 2.) Had a disability or 3.) Was pregnant. I did not QUALIFY for help. They told me I could get food stamps. Whoop!

        The they tried to persuade me to HAVE a disability so I could qualify.

        I was horrified. And although I DO have a “federal” injury, it is only ‘judged’ at 5%, and I was NOT WILLING to be tagged for ANY future employment as a “Disabled Federal Worker” as in the future, I wouldn’t even be able to get a job as a greeter at Wal-Mart.

        Until Obama.

        And after?

        I have an SUV. I would rather live there and eat dogfood.

        Remember – we are out here.

        So much for my Self-Employment tax. I am not eligible for unemployment when the shit hits the fan – as it has done this year.

  6. HELENK says:

    a very large WTF

    backtrack bunch in talks to transfer blind sheikh omar abdel rahman to Egypt. just what the muslim brotherhood told him to do

    • Constance says:

      Before the election? He can’t be that stupid!

      • carol haka says:

        He’s probably already in Egypt living the life. Remember al qaeda #2 who started all this shit was released from an Egytion prison. And wasn’t he responsible for the death of murder of Anwar or was it someone else? 👿

  7. Oswald says:


    I was taken aback over the weekend when my very apolitical brother turned to me at dinner and asked why no one was talking about gas prices. This is the stuff casual voters pay attention to. Every Romney proposal about offshore drilling and nuclear energy should proceed from the threshold question of “How can we make it cheaper for you to fill up your car?” That’s politics 101, I know, but this is the sort of elementary thing that gets lost in the daily diet of nonsense that political junkies like me consume. What can Obama and Romney do to make gas cheaper? What can they do to make bread, milk, meat, etc, a bit less expensive? Penetrate on those questions and you’ve got traction.

  8. angienc says:


    • If she’s true to her demo she probly isnt registered and even if she is she probably didnt vote.

      But if she did vote and will vote again, Romney is right — she aint gonna vote for him and he should ignore her.

      But she is not 47% of the electorate.

      She’s just a stupid asshole.

      • DM says:

        I think she was an Obama delegate.

        • so she’s probably registered at least. I hope.

          Like all those Iowa and Texas caucus voters.

        • Jadzia says:

          Darragh, FWIW (not much) I agree with you. I’m voting for Romney, but this “47% who pay no taxes are the ones who vote for BO” argument veers pretty close to an old fashioned “welfare queen” bashfest for my taste. Probably because, having grown up poor and having quite a few family members still in that position (more of them now than in 2008, that’s for sure), this characterization of people who don’t make enough money to be taxed just doesn’t ring true to my experiences.

          The plural of anecdote is not data, but I’m pretty sure that my brother, who has a master’s degree and wanted to be a teacher but can only find part-time work at Walmart, would rather be working in the profession he trained for and paying those taxes than being in the “47%” situation he’s in right now.

          It makes me mad and frustrated to hear him, and folks like him, tarred as somehow being fat and happy on government largesse. Particularly because I have not yet heard a version of the “47%” argument that relies on actual data for its conclusion; rather, it seems to just assume that folks in that 47% are automatic Obama voters.

  9. carol haka says:

    “There wasn’t even an ant ouside” the consulate when the attacks started with incoming fire from 2 directions per security personnel now in the hospital. (Can’t link as I am on cell phone – story at Gateway Pundit). 👿 People died, Hillary and Obama lied. 👿

  10. carol haka says:

    Fox New reporting candidates have made 18 trips and spent 10’s of Millions of dollars to court small pockets of voters in Iowa to secure their 6 (?) Votes. Now that is Fucked Up on Steroids! Our election process is obsurd! 👿

  11. HELENK says:

    who wonders where the dog BO is when backtrack is home????

    my bet is very far away from the kitchen

  12. gxm17 says:

    Well, I don’t have a dog in this race and I listened to the clip and I’m wondering where the “gaffe” is. Also, I put no credence in this sort of clandestine gotcha crap. If you are going to present something like this as evidence, then stand up and show your face. It’s absurd that ObamaNation thinks they can just lead us around by our noses with this BS. Geez, if they put as much effort into uncovering terrorist plots to attack our embassies in the ME as they do sneaking into Romney’s “closed door gatherings” then maybe last week wouldn’t have been such a disaster. But, uh, glad to see they’ve got their priorities straight.

  13. cj says:

    It was harsh & I don’t think Romney is a harsh person, at least I hope not. Of course people think they’re entitled to food, what kind of country would we be living in if they weren’t? I happen to think everyone’s entitled to some kind of healthcare too, but maybe that won’t sting as much.

    • yttik says:

      But you know, I’ve really enjoyed being able to pursue my own happiness, to provide my own food. The problem is that we’re all losing that right because of policies that the Gov passes that are making it incredibly difficult to survive without depending on them.

      I just found out that my CNA license is lost in a secure facility back east somewhere and won’t be replaced until the end of October. I’m not allowed to work now because some bureaucrat lost my flippin paper work. This is the second time this has happened this year.

    • wmcb says:

      I don’t think anyone is entitled to any of that. I take words like “rights” and “entitled” very seriously.

      Now, if you ask me whether we as a society OUGHT to find ways to provide those things for people who *cannot* provide for themselves, then my answer is “Of course we should!”

      But no one has a fundamental RIGHT to jack shit except life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You cannot have a fundamental RIGHT to things other people have to provide for you. You (and I) can say we ought to, that it’s a good thing to do. But no, it’s not a right.

      • cj says:

        Well, like I said, it depends on the kind of country you want to live in. Right now, people in the US are entitled to food, and I’d like to keep it that way.

        • angienc says:

          Actually, I have to disagree here. I want a country that provides for those who are less fortunate, but I also want a country where people understand the difference between what is a right (like say free speech since I’m finding out a lot of Americans — especially those running things — don’t seem to have a clue) and what is a privilege of being lucky enough to be born in a First World country, (such as food stamps programs, etc). Maybe if people understood the difference they wouldn’t be so quick to want us to be “just another country.”

        • angienc says:

          De nada! xoxo

        • cj says:

          I don’t disagree with you, angie.

        • wmcb says:

          I like the fact that the voters of this country have decided to generously provide foodstamps for those without means to get food. I applaud that vigorously, and would like for us to continue doing so as well.

          But it’s not a right. It’s a choice the rest of society made. A very good choice. But no, not a right.

          This may seem like semantics to some, but that distinction being clear is *important*.

        • cj says:

          wmcb, that’s all I’m saying. I think you’re right, we’re probably just quibbling about semantics.

        • wmcb says:

          cj, it’s kind of like asking if the genuinely homeless person comes up to you and asks for food, should you give it? 90% of the public will say “Of course you should,”

          But if you change the scenario to the homeless guy coming up and DEMANDING that you empty your pocket because he has a fucking RIGHT to it, and you OWE him, so pay up you bastard, most people will say tell him to fuck off.

          The Democratic party, more and more, paints our “social responsibilities” as the latter, with their insistence on every damn thing being a fundamental RIGHT. And taxpayers are sick of it.

    • catarina says:

      That selfish, mean Governor Romney, who took no salary as Governor, btw, was responsible for hugely expanding Medicaid.

      A lot of uninsured people got coverage they wouldn’t qualify for in other states.

      I know, what a prick.

    • DM says:

      I disagree. Nobody is entitled to anything they did not pay for. There’s nothing wrong with the safety nets, and I totally support them, but I don’t want anyone to believe that they are entitled to them. And I want to make sure that people understand that Social Security was paid for with taxes by those who live long enough to receive the benefit. Not an entitlement. The benefit.

  14. myiq2xu says:


    Just before the White House announcement of a new Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy, Obama asked Riedel and his team to come to see him in the Oval -Office so he could thank them. Riedel’s team consisted of an Afghan specialist from the State Department and a Pakistan expert from the CIA. Riedel introduced the CIA analyst to Obama as “the best Pakistan expert I’ve ever seen.” Obama looked at the CIA officer, who was sporting stiletto heels, and said with clear amusement, “You don’t look like a Pakistan expert.”

  15. fif says:

    I passed by a TV tonight & heard Gwen Ifill say, “It’s hard to turn anywhere right now & not hear or read about the infighting in the Romney campaign.” It’s surreal: the Middle East is in meltdown, the economy is like sludge, & soldiers continue to die in Afghanistan & they do not hold the President accountable for ANYTHING. They’d rather focus on gossip about the R campaign. It’s eery & frightening how distorted things have become.

    • Erica says:

      No kidding! Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. Or is it diddling while Libya burns? Well, you get the point, wish B0 did.

  16. HELENK says:

    stolen from a commenter at No Quarter

    • yttik says:

      That’s really flippin depressing. People think they’re getting something but what they’re really getting is robbed of their pride, their creativity, their ability to say, “I built that.” Welfare keeps you trapped in poverty, dependent on crumbs. Eventually you can’t work because you’ll lose your benefits.

  17. carol haka says:

    Can’t wait for clint’s new movie. Ryan’s Grandpa was a Scout for the Klown’s favorite team from for a zillion years. It will be the first time I’ve been in a theatre since Christmas season 20

  18. myiq2xu says:

    I’m confused.

    I like Peyton Manning but I hate the Broncos.

    Who do I root for?

  19. wmcb says:

    This whole kerfluffle is ridiculous. People seem to be missing the salient point that Mitt was not talking policy, folks. He was talking campaign strategy, what votes are “gettable”, what votes are not, where to focus limited resources.

    He made a gross generalization about already committed Obama voters being of the “govt dependency in many areas is good” mindset. And was opining that a message about tax cuts would likely not sway those voters, due to the overall mindset of that demographic. That’s fairly accurate.

    Did he overgeneralize? Sure. But again, this was a private STRATEGY session, not a speech on tax policy.

    • wmcb says:

      I think he was being free and lazy w the numbers because had the whole “47% voting O no matter what” on the brain, and segued into a general statement about the general mindset of O voters, and the difficulty of reaching people who have a vested interest in bleeding the taxpayer dry.

      It just wasn’t anything he paid attention to being scrupulously accurate on in that setting, because he was focused on “what voters can we reach with what ads?” NOT taxes and policy and percentages.

      • Jadzia says:

        That’s fair. But I’m not sure why individuals who pay little to no taxes deserve to be demonized more than corporations who pay little to no taxes. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure as hell not voting for Obama, but I just really hate the 47% argument, and I think that the Romney team, as a matter of strategy, is unnecessarily alienating people who are really hurting in this crappy economy, by relying on it.

        • angienc says:

          Well, one difference is that corporations who pay little to no taxes are actually employing people; individuals who are paying no income taxes most likely are not.
          Not that I think corporations should pay little to no taxes, but that difference is pretty big.

    • gxm17 says:

      Exactly, wmcb, all the guy was saying was that people who are socialist-leaning, like me, won’t vote for him. That’s neither a newsflash or a gaffe. And he’s right. I’m not voting for him. Where he’s wrong is that I’m not voting for Obama either. Not saying that’s a gaffe, just that people like me are looking elsewhere because the Dem party no longer upholds our ideals.

    • DM says:

      And I agree with you too.

  20. from a dispassionate, “poltical” point of view, the question is: Is this Romney’s bitterclinging moment? Given the pro-obama mainstream media and the, imnsho, utter stupidity of Romney’s remarks, I think it may be.

    On the bright side? Bitter Clinging didnt scotch obama’s chances and Im hoping it doesnt kill Romney’s.

    • gxm17 says:

      CNN is already running this story. Gawd, but this is truly surreal. Our ambassador was assassinated and in less than a week, this is the big “scoop.” Do they really think no one will notice the skewed priorities?

    • wmcb says:

      I don’t think it is. I think the media will flog it for all its worth, and Obots will get orgasmic over it, but I dont think its going to have any huge impact.

    • DM says:

      I think it will be good for Romney. I think there are a good portion, the hard core Obama voters who will be turned off by Romney, but other voters, who know about the abuses that go on in government will love what he says.

    • DM says:

      I think he’ll get more votes than lose. It’s a win for Romney.

  21. HELENK says:


  22. DeniseVB says:

    Obama Schedule || Tuesday, September 18, 2012
    by Keith Koffler

    10:15 am || Receives the Presidential Daily Briefing
    1:10 pm || Welcomes WNBA Champion Minnesoata Lynx to the White House; East Room
    2:00 pm || Departs White House
    3:10 pm || Arrives New York City
    4:00 pm || Sits for interview on the “Late Show with David Letterman”
    7:40 pm || Delivers remarks at a fundraiser; Waldorf Astoria Hotel
    9:45 pm || Delivers remarks at a fundraiser; 40/40 Club
    11:05 pm || Departs New York City
    12:15 am || Arrives White House

  23. angienc says:

    Mitt responds:

    Via Romney Communications Director Gail Gitcho:

    Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy. As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work. Mitt Romney’s plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs.

    It’s true — as I said above — he’s been talking all year about people being “dependent on the government” and the “if you want free stuff vote for the other guy.” So, it’s not anything he hasn’t said to the public. Nonetheless, I’m sure the MSM will not make the distinction and given how they’ve already made HUGE FUCKING DEALS out of nothing when it comes to Romney (while ignoring absolutely everything when it comes to Obama), I’m sure they will.

    Only thing — I don’t know that this hurts Romney as much as the progs think it does. (1) The conservative blogs are praising him so this seems like it is going to shore up his base (some are speculating he released the tape himself); and (2) A lot of people are pissed off at what they see as others living “off of the government” (including government workers) while the government has to borrow money from China to pay for it.

  24. yttik says:

    The media is portraying this as a gaffe, but in truth it may actually work in Romney’s favor. Most of the conservatives I know will hear this and become more enthusiastic about Romney, not less.

    • bluestate says:

      i think they leaked this deliberately for the base.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Thought the same thing, intentionally leaked. 😀

      • bluestate says:

        so i think this is an attempt to get that conversation where entitlements are called into question happening again. the romney campaign knows damn well the only story the media wants to write about him is a negative story or something they think his campaign doesn’t want people to hear.

      • DM says:

        If it wasn’t intentional, it was good fortune.

      • Constance says:

        No, this is what the media thinks is a gotcha moment, they’ve been trying so hard to manufacture one. The problem is anyone but a rabid Obot thinks it is BS and wants the media to report on the assassination of our ambassador the terrorist attack that happened on september 11th.

  25. angienc says:

  26. HELENK says:

    Judge Souter : Pervasive Civic Ignorance

    • Love Souter.

      The recent scandal over the 1st amendment shows just how right he is about the appalling ignorance of American citizens about our COnstitution and Bill of Rights.

  27. angienc says:

    Mitt just gave a press conference on this! Came in about 1/2 way & he took questions. Maintains that he was talking about how he’s going to win, but the basic policy is the same he says everyday — he thinks best way to get this economy going is to strengthen private sector create jobs, and his plan will create 12 million jobs in 4 years & that Obama believes in bigger government.

    • angienc says:

      Now of course, comes the MSM criticism of the press conference — lord help me.

    • angienc says:

      Oh, he also mentioned the increase in food stamps under Obama & the 23 million out of work as examples of how Obama’s plans have failed & how his would create 12 million new jobs in 4 years.
      Of course, the MSM thinks this will “hurt” him because it insults such a wide swath of voters (that is taken directly from Jim Messina’s written response, btw) even if it “shores up his base” because those “middle voters” he claims to want to attract may have friends & family in that 47%. But they couldn’t help having to mention Obama’s “bitterly clinging to their guns & bibles” comment.

      Also, Greta mentioned that the press conference was thrown together so fast, press was scrambling — but he got prime time coverage. I hate to bet tinfoil, but maybe those saying Romney camp leaked the tape are right.

  28. angienc says:

    Of course, Iowahawk boils it down perfectly:

    • yttik says:

      LOL! I know, I don’t get the argument. If you want to debate ideology that’s one thing, but people are demanding dependance on the Gov…while criticizing Romney for saying people are demanding dependence on the Gov.

  29. DM says:

    The obots are so happy right. It was a gaffe, they say. They are really clueless.

  30. DandyTiger says:

    On Lou Dobbs show on FOXB, he said: “The organization formerly know as Occupy Wall Street is 1 year old today. Now onto other news…” Deadpan. Just skipped the topic other than to say that. And went onto other news. It was perfect.

  31. DM says:

    I can’t wait for new polls after Romney’s “gaffe”

  32. DandyTiger says:

  33. angienc says:

    I didn’t think I could love Clint Eastwood (or his RNC speech) any more than I already did, but I do:

    Clint Eastwood says he doesn’t really care about the people who ripped his impromptu “chair” speech at the Republican National Convention, saying he was just expressing his feelings.

    Eastwood appeared on “Good Morning America” this morning and the 82-year-old explained one of the reasons he didn’t want to give a traditional speech off a teleprompter that night is because “I didn’t have my glasses with me … so I wouldn’t have been able to read it.”

    Instead, he explained: “So then I’m just sitting there and the guy says, ‘You wanna sit down?’ and I said ‘No, but put that [chair] next to the podium will ya.'”

    And a legend was born.

    When he was told that President Obama is still a fan of his, Eastwood said, “Well, that’s his bad judgment.”

    As for the criticism Eastwood has received since the speech, he said: “There is something about the aging process that makes you give a crap less.”

  34. HELENK says:

    two things struck me today about the lack of media attention

    first nothing on today being Constitution Day but a story about it being the 150th anniversary of the battle of Sharpsburg

    second no outrage over backtrack campaigning while our country is being attacked.

    the other day on the internet I read this

    suppose on December 7 1941 FDR said
    our hearts bleed for those killed and injured at Pearl Harbor. Got to go now there is a fundraiser at Clark Gable’s house
    how would the media reacted then?

  35. DM says:

    Bloomberg News has an editorial

    You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.
    On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”
    So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says. He also notes, describing President Obama’s base, “These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”
    This is an utter disaster for Romney.

    • angienc says:

      Funny how they conclude that his saying “my job is not to worry about those people” is not in the context of trying to get their votes, but as his *job* if he’s POTUS.

      *sigh* It’s the course I expected them to take — it’s *directly* from the official Team Obama response from Messina.

      Nonetheless, I seriously doubt it makes the majority vote for 4 more years of Obama.

  36. yttik says:

    I think Romney just drew a line in the sand and defined the entire debate. Jobs, dignity, the American dream, versus cradle to grave dependency on the Gov. It’s not a debate President Obama wants to have. Now we’re back to, are you better off than you were before? Has the Gov been doing a good job?

    • DM says:

      Yes, many of those 47% work, but make too little to pay taxes and have to get food stamps to get by. If he’s right and create jobs that will pay enough so that they don’t get food stamps, but maybe pay some income tax, then our society benefits.

    • My take, too. Here’s what I said at the Bloomberg wish-casting article on how Romney just lost the election:

      The creative class and the welfare class were never going to vote for Romney anyway, he’s right about that. Obama himself plays the worst kind of class warfare. Romney just started playing another kind: pitting the two die-hard ends of the Obamacratic party against the broad dissatisfied, resentful middle.

      Romney is going to win, and he’s going to do so not only because he has the character and know-how to put America back to work, but because Obama and his minion diehards have spent four feckless years alienating one group after another, getting up in their faces, telling them what they think isn’t right, and here’s what is. And “what is” is a load of BS the size and shape of the Titanic, and we all know what happened to that.

    • votermom says:

      I think Romney just drew a line in the sand and defined the entire debate. Jobs, dignity, the American dream, versus cradle to grave dependency on the Gov.

      You know I have to tweet-steal that.

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