Romney Presser


This is only a short clip. When the whole thing becomes available I’ll change it.

UPDATED



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91 Responses to Romney Presser

  1. myiq2xu says:

    The Eeyores are whinging.

    • angienc says:

      The Eeyores are also the ABRs from the primary — yeah, Santorum would be doing much, much better right about now.

      Hell, Santorum wouldn’t even be getting *my* vote & I want Obama out as much as anyone.

  2. angienc says:

    Here’s an interesting picture I found (non-liability by state). Highest % are in states that are going for Romney no matter what (except for NM):

    http://twitpic.com/avrlm4

    Hmm, does getting it out there that 47% of people don’t pay income taxes help him in states like Ohio & PA, which have mid-% of non-liability filers?

    • propertius says:

      I do not see how this 47% statistic can possibly be true, unless it includes children. I cannot twist the raw numbers on the IRS site to yield this figure, no matter what I do. Bear with me here:

      According to the Statistical Abstract of the United States, the number of Americans over the age of 18 was 234,564,000 (in 2010 – figures for 2011 aren’t yet available on the web). According to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/11db03nr.xls), there were 143,607,800 individual tax returns filed in 2011. In 2009 (most recent available), 53,639,038 of those returns were “married filing jointly” and therefore represent two taxpayers rather than just one. According to the IRS, only 828,798 returns showed a tax rate of 0 in 2009 (most recent available) (234,579 of these were joint). By my calculations, that means 196 million adults were represented on a “taxable return” – 83.6% of the total number of adults. Given that this includes the disabled and elderly, I’m frankly amazed that only 16.4% of adults did not owe Federal income tax.

      • angienc says:

        So, your saying the stats issued by the government are wrong? You better let them know they’ve been misleading the public!

  3. imusthavepie says:

    This is a little like the “I don’t care about poor people” comment, which wasn’t exactly what he said. And the “I like to fire people” which was also taken out of context.

    • angienc says:

      The “I don’t care about poor people” was actually “I’m not worried about the very poor because we have safety nets for them. I’m worried about the middle class.”
      The “I like to fire people” was “I like to be able to fire people who aren’t providing me with good service.”
      Neither is at all what was reported. But it will be the same thing here — the focus is on “My job is not to worry about that 47%” is be spun as, if he doesn’t *care* about those people & his policies (if elected) will not do anything for them. Of course, he was saying “My focus in order to win the election/as a candidate is not on them” but no one in the MSM gives a shit.

  4. I thought he did well. He was calm and had a reasoned argument. He even had the balls to invite the entire video out. We’ll see if they fall for it tomorrow. He basically just took over the conversation that was about him anyway.

    • DM says:

      Lola, do you think Romney will lose votes over this?

      • No. I think he will gain them. People who don’t want to be part of the 47% but were undecided will see him as more attractive. He’ll stand up for them, they’ll think. He just drew a line in the sand–your one of them, or your one of us. As a tweeter said, 100% of the people who are outraged about this were never going to vote for him anyway. I almost wonder if one of his guys “leaked” the video.

        FTR, this is not an eleventy!!11! dimensional chess argument. It’s just smart, and just the kind of thing that he could do without the appearance of dirt on his hands. Which he needs.

        • DM says:

          I’m happy you see it the same way I do.

        • Ditto on that, soul sister. 😀

        • Jadzia says:

          That’s a good point, about people not wanting to be one of the “47%.” As somebody who was displeased (“outraged” might be taking it a bit far) by Romney’s remarks but will still be voting for him, from a strategy point of view what I had not considered is some people’s tendency to vote based on the economic stratum that they wish they were in (NOT the “47%,” leaving aside the debate above about the accuracy of the number) rather than the one that they actually occupy.

        • gxm17 says:

          Lola, I agree with you. The average person does not want their taxes going to what they perceive as “handouts.” I know this all too well because I’ve been arguing with these people my whole life, commie socialist that I am.

    • cj says:

      He does remarkably well in these pressers. He looks more confident when dealing with a hostile press than Obama does with the pillow fluffers.

      • Agreed. For Independents and Middle Class (the thinkers) he does the most important thing — he does not talk down to them. Instead he does 2 things: (1) he teaches them something new (i.e., we talk campaign strategy at fundraisers, Obama is going after the 47%), and (2) leaves them with a question in their mind (i.e., what kind of strategy is Obama working on? Do I want to be part of that 47% who vote for Obama).

        I am starting to belief that these so-called gaffes are leaked by Romney because this is the second time he has been able to get the press (and thus, the public) to listen to him and in a subtle way call them out on their bias — I hope that they will release the full video. The best thing a candidate can do is make people question. And the bonus, the public gets to see how the press keeps asking the same question over and over again. As we’re seeing in “embroidered knee pads” comment from the p’od voter, the American public is onto this tactic by the media and are getting sick of it.

  5. myiq2xu says:

    3:25 left in the 4th quarter and Manning just made it a 6 point game.

    The Giants are tied 1-1 in the 6th.

  6. angienc says:

  7. myiq2xu says:

    The Monkey Cage says gaffes don’t matter:

    Mitt Romney and that 47%

    Josh Barro:

    You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.

    Josh Marshall:

    It’s rare when the impact of some gaffe or embarrassment or revelation isn’t overstated on first blush. But this may just be that rare exception. This tape strikes me as absolutely devastating.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hasn’t the 2012 campaign taught us not to jump the gun with various “gaffes”? (Yes, I will be using scare quotes throughout.) In fact, didn’t the 2008 campaign teach us this too? Here is my old graph with the 2008 Democratic primary polls, noting Obama’s comment about “bitter” voters who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    • swanspirit says:

      21 countries are burning our flag and attacking our embassies and a little leaked campaign tape will destroy Mitt? I dont think so. Mika might throw her leg in the air . Joe will act like the democrat he is and the rest of the rabid dogs will foam at the mouth as usual. Chris Matthews might need restraints and a quiet room but he has been needing that for some time. Mitt will still win this election. Mark my words .

      • angienc says:

        From your lips to the Goddess’s ears, Swannie!

      • Jadzia says:

        I don’t know. How many gaffes did Obama make in 2008 (57 states is one that immediately comes to mind), and everybody’s attitude seemed to be IOKIYAO (It’s OK If You Are Obama), when even the slightest misstep by McCain or Palin would have them raked over the coals for days? I think that did make a difference last time around.

        • Constance says:

          Don’t forget Obama’s “bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion” quote. I haven’t

  8. Lulu says:

    Those who will be offended by this honesty would never consider voting for Romney or do not vote at all. This will not offend older voters who are retired because they have already paid their way and will not consider themselves as part of the problem Romney is addressing. Middle class workers who are sliding down the income scale are resentful, do not want to be part of the food stamp population, and will be open to arguments that they should not have to be living that way. The majority of the ginned up outrage will be by the upper classes who benefit from paying off the poor to assuage their conscience and sense of moral superiority rather than providing opportunity to anyone who might compete with them. The wealthy are vested in keeping the poor dependent and Obama is their guy.

    • angienc says:

      Exactly:

    • DM says:

      The majority of the ginned up outrage will be by the upper classes who benefit from paying off the poor to assuage their conscience and sense of moral superiority rather than providing opportunity to anyone who might compete with them.

      I don’t believe that the payoff is to assuage their conscience. I think the benefit is more immediate. Most of the upheavals throughout history is because of poverty becomes too unbearable, and the payoff is to alleviate the pressure. The problem with that solution is that the middle class has been falling into the poor class. 47% (that number is correct), don’t pay income taxes because they are poor.

      • Lulu says:

        But payoffs do not work for long. It is still a payoff and then they want the real wealth or engine of creating that wealth. Bribes just get bigger until the bribe payer is broke or refuses to pay any longer and in some ways that is where we are now as a society. And at least some wealthy do see charity or empty advocacy for those they see as less fortunate as a type of atonement for their own appalling greed and atrocious behavior while others don’t. It is like dispensation and our society accepts it.

        • DM says:

          Bribes just get bigger until the bribe payer is broke or refuses to pay any longer and in some ways that is where we are now as a society.

          That was my point. The rich have not paid the bribe. It’s been the middle class, but now the middle class is also poor and it’s refusing to pay.

        • Mary says:

          Good point, DM. Those middle classers that are sliding downward really do resent the bennies given out to those who take those bennies without wanting to work. (see video from last thread).
          Voters in states like PA, OH, MI, FL, etc (the non-bennie middle class) will very much like Romney’s comments, cuz they are the ones actually paying for those bennies. It’s certainly not the millionaires on Morning Joe, whose accountants find every single loophole they possibly can.

          Don’t forget that: the wealthy Obama media creeps are mostly in the 1%, spouting the blahblahblah while benefitting from the mucho-many deductions available to their class.

    • I believe that you are referring to the limousine liberals. Which is why we saw an onslaught of them during the Obamacratic National Convention.

  9. Ha! The full presser is even better. Not only does it appeal to the people who don’t think they’re part of the 47%, it appeals to the poeple who DO think they’re part of it but don’t WANT to be. And he comes across as so “modest.” I’m only trying to get to 51% here, folks. In other words, “Keep fighting for the margin, Team Obama. Focus those laserbeams so I can take on the whole picture.” He’s inviting them to take their eyes off the prize.

    • DM says:

      I can’t think of any one voter that I know who would not agree with Romney. A few of them are right wing, but most are center to liberal. They want the system cleaned up of abuses.

  10. swanspirit says:

    Jill Stein is the Green Party candidate .I think she would be appealing to quite a few left of center folks.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I have two problems with Stein.

      1. She has no hope of winning.

      2. If she won she lacks the experience to do the job.

      • DM says:

        If I chose a third party candidate, I would vote for Gary Johnson. But he too doesn’t have the support to win.

      • swanspirit says:

        I would never vote for Jill, but I can hope she might take some far left votes. I still shudder at the thought of Nader.

        • DM says:

          I think third party candidate voters want to throw away their vote. If they didn’t have a third party, they would not vote, by either staying home, skipping the selection, or writing on the ballot Micky Mouse. I thought Nader was the problem in 2000. I’ve changed my mind on that. Gore was not a good candidate. I hate to say it, but he deserved to lose.

        • gxm17 says:

          Actually, I don’t see it as throwing my vote away. I see it as making my vote count. If I wanted to throw my vote away, I’d stay home.

      • catarina says:

        #1 wouldn’t stop me.
        #2, pretty important, IMO.

    • gxm17 says:

      Absolutely! I’m voting for her.

    • Constance says:

      Stein is a really good choice for people who don’t live in a battle ground state, like me, out here in Washington. The election will be over by the time they count our mail in votes (we don’t have polling places anymore and don’t worry about voter ID laws). But if you live in Ohio or Florida your vote for Romney is one that can actully save the country from 4 more years of Obama. I am excited to get back to building a real Democratic party after the sexist Obots are purged.

  11. swanspirit says:

    So mote it be sweet Angie!

  12. DandyTiger says:

    Mitt just needs to play this:

  13. westcoaster says:

    Here’s my favorite Fred Armisen Obama skit:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/obama-address/1163263

    “I’m going to take drastic action…nah, not really.”

  14. Lulu says:

    Gallup is pushing back against Obama. DOJ is just threatening them and won’t file the brief in support of Obama’s prior campaign employee who has file the whistle-blower suit against Gallup. The polling company is now leaking their side to the right wing press. Gallup thought the ex-employee was a loon and a liar. Gallup would not be pushing back like this if they thought Obama was all powerful and staying in office. The preference cascade continues to grow.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/source-dojs-gallup-whistle-blower-made-bizarre-work-requests-said-he-was-a-devout-marxist/

  15. DeniseVB says:

    You know Obama cares even less about those “47%” ? They’re not people, they’re votes ! Mitt’s going stealth and I’m loving it. 😀 Meanwhile, there’s this guy:

  16. votermom says:

    That dude Orwell was onto something.

  17. votermom says:

    Hah! MoJo releases more of the Romney secret video – Palestine NOT interested in peace.
    Making him sound prescient in light of last week.
    They are practically campaigning FOR him.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/romney-secret-video-israeli-palestinian-middle-east-peace

    • votermom says:

    • gxm17 says:

      Like I said yesterday, these idiots are playing to Romney’s strengths and don’t even realize it. All I have to say is: Play on, fools.

    • wmcb says:

      LOL! This is going to get Mitt votes for sure. Because it’s true. They don’t want peace unless “peace” is defined as Israel gone.

      They keep moving the ball, changing the criteria after every talk, or just refusing to talk. If what they wanted was peace, they could have had it 12 times over by now.

      Many many people are going to cheer Mitt telling the unvarnished truth.

      • votermom says:

        I hope MoJo has a lot of Jewish Democratic voters in its readership.

      • Not only is he telling the truth, it shows him thinking way down the road (proactive thinking) about really important issues. We all have these questions on our minds. What happens later? How is the peace maintained as the real nuts & bolts issues come up after the Palestinians get nation status. And then provides a salient example — Taiwan & China.

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