Wednesday Open Thread

Here’s a discussion from JWS:

tamerlane says:
September 18, 2012 at 8:02 pm

I believe that everyone is indeed entitled to health care, food, and housing. What a sick & twisted society, that thinks some deserve disease, starvation, and homelessness.

myiq2xu says:
September 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm

So I can just sit on my ass and you’ll pay for my health care, food and housing? Thank you, that’s very nice of you. Can I bring my friends too?

tamerlane says:
September 18, 2012 at 8:59 pm

No, I’d put you to work if you wanted assistance. And, sorry, but cutting & pasting other people’s words onto a blog doesn’t count as ‘work.’

myiq2xu says:
September 18, 2012 at 10:29 pm

So you lied. You don’t think I’m entitled to health care, food, and housing. You expect me to earn them.

You must be a Romney supporter.

What are you up to this morning?

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153 Responses to Wednesday Open Thread

  1. myiq2xu says:

    I plan to sleep in until there is some news. Wake me up when something happens.

  2. DM says:

    Gallup: September 19, 2012
    Obama 48%, Romney 46% in Swing States
    Twenty-two percent of swing-state voters could change their vote preference

    • Lulu says:

      Which means they are lying to the pollsters. They are undecided or leaners. They do not want to be called names or lectured. This is fallout from 2008 bad behavior.

      • t says:

        I used to buy into the nonsense of undecided voters. Are they just stupid? Do they not CARE about their government? Now I’m one of them. I can’t decide if I can stomach voting for one of these two awful candidates or go with a third party. And I won’t decide until I cast my ballot. Am I stupid? No. I am disgusted and I’m not sure what does the least damage. Of course my disgusted apathy is probably what they want.

        • votermom says:

          The media image of Romney is awful. The actual record paints the picture of a good guy who works hard and believes in helping his neighbor.
          So what do you find actually awful about Romney?

        • Lulu says:

          t You are not stupid but you are a leaner. You are leaning to a third party which is a valid choice for you. It is not for me because I think the Democratic party needs to be purged or buried whichever is quicker. Your vote is your own.

      • gxm17 says:

        I got one of the robocall polls. And the robot made me lie. It did not give me the option of answering that I am voting for Jill Stein. It was just between the Uni-party candidates so, for the poll, I went with the non-evil option. When I was given an “undecided” option, that’s the one I picked even though I know full well who I will vote for.

  3. myiq2xu says:

  4. votermom says:

    LOL at that JWS discussion.

    • Lulu says:

      And Tamer’s stuff about limiting family size was funny too. I like so much of his stuff on polling, OWS, and Moveon but he really gets out there sometimes but so do I.

      • votermom says:

        I used to be like that – thinking that socialism would work if only it would be done right. But you look around the world and every version of it has been tried and they all fail.
        Utopias are great – it’s the darned humans that keep messing them up. LOL.

        • elliesmom says:

          Uptopias never seem to be able to get around the Tragedy of the Commons.

        • Lulu says:

          Oh yes. Me too. Now I am just old and practical. Human beings need incentives.

        • gxm17 says:

          I can’t speak for him but if Tamerlane is anything like me, he supports a social democracy. (I’m joking about what rightwingers call me when I describe myself as a “commie socialist.”)

          And right about now, with the fourth estate morphed into the Ministry of Truth, and the voter fraud and vote tampering, and the popular vote being snubbed again and again, I’m beginning to wonder if American Democracy hasn’t failed.

        • votermom says:

          I think I’ve asked this question before to people who DO believe in bigger govt, do you trust the Obama gang to be in charge of it?

        • gxm17 says:

          No. Absolutely not. The only thing I trust the Obama gang to do is fuck things up worse than they already have.

  5. votermom says:

    Romney campaign press release today, quoting Obama’s “I actually believe in redistribution”

    • votermom says:

      • Lulu says:

        This is what so many do not understand. The big bucks go to his big money supporters and his lowly base get peanuts or nothing but platitudes. If he had really helped his base I could understand their devotion but he has given them minus zero. They are WORSE off.

    • Lulu says:

      Releasing that video is going to be one of the biggest mistakes that Obama has ever made. It is causing a discussion on allocation of resources that he is not prepared to make but Romney is. Yesterday when I was reading comments and pieces by conservatives versus Bots and Progs it was so apparent that they did not think it though and have their points lined up. Obama is reduced to throwing shit at the wall and the Romney-ites are flinging it back. Immature ideology versus the real world of shrinking resources.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    This is what job creation looks like. Seems Mitt’s still creating jobs 😀

    • yttik says:

      That’s the kind of collectivism I like!

      “When the economy is growing and Americans are working, everyone involved has a shared sense of achievement….. a growing economy that fosters upward mobility…….Economic freedom is the only force that has consistently succeeded in creating sustained prosperity and lifting people out of poverty.”

      C’mon people, none of that is evil or greedy or mean! Americans are entitled not to health care, food, housing, but to a shared sense of achievement, upward mobility, economic freedom, sustained prosperity. That’s the pursuit of happiness.

    • rhythm says:

      voted…it’s now 56% strongly agree 🙂

  7. WHAT the HELL? Are our Embassy staff safe anywhere anymore?

    BEIJING (AP) — A car carrying the U.S. ambassador to China was mildly damaged after becoming the target of boisterous anti-Japan demonstrators who were expressing outrage over a territorial dispute and marking the 81st anniversary of Japan’s invasion of China.
    The State Department said in a statement Wednesday that Ambassador Gary Locke was unhurt in Tuesday’s incident, and that diplomats have expressed concerns to the Chinese Foreign Ministry.
    The statement said around 50 protesters surrounded Locke’s car as he tried to enter the embassy and were eventually removed by Chinese security personnel.

    Very very disturbing. The Chinese are not known for allowing their people free expression in the way of demonstrations.
    Now let’s see, what did I hear earlier this week re China? Ah yes, yes, here it is- Obama trying to score points in Ohio. Nice fucking job asshole

  8. driguana says:

    Yesterday was spent researching the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama’s principal “community organizing” activity…posted on my FB….today it’s more extensive research on George Soros…starting with this.

  9. Lulu says:

    The hits just keep on coming. Yikes! Add this to the exploding disability rolls and we will be broke very soon.

    “In addition to the broader work requirement that has become a contentious issue in the presidential race, the 1996 welfare reform law included a separate rule encouraging able-bodied adults without dependents to work by limiting the amount of time they could receive food stamps. President Obama suspended that rule when he signed his economic stimulus legislation into law, and the number of these adults on food stamps doubled, from 1.9 million in 2008 to 3.9 million in 2010, according to the CRS report, issued in the form of a memo to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.”

    • DandyTiger says:

      I think if it were planned as an October surprise, it might have worked better. That is, if it were a hit pretty late, it would drop Romney a point or two, which along with a few other hits would be all you need. But given it was released earlier, and people have had time to let it sink in, many are thinking about those very deep questions about were we go as a society an who pays for what and what can we afford. Very interesting.

      Also, isn’t it fun that most every ploy the Obama team tries eventually backfires. Funny that.

  10. DandyTiger says:

    I love that conversation quoted from JWS. So typical. I don’t think he’s alone in his misunderstandings. A lot of things are left unsaid when you go down the redistribution path. Mostly having to do with heavy handed authoritarianism. Big daddy government has to be in complete control in order to determine who deserves what, who has “too much”, who “earns” their hand-outs, and who doesn’t have to earn their hand-outs.

    Also, I don’t think limousine liberals have really thought the redistribution thing through. 🙂

  11. myiq2xu says:

    Arrr, matey!

  12. yttik says:

    One reason I prefer Romney’s ideology is because he’s talking about growing the economy, expanding the resources, increasing opportunity. Obama is talking about how there isn’t enough to go around.

    It’s like a pie. Obama’s vision is so narrow he can only see five pieces of pie so he assumes somebody isn’t going to get any. A good hostess counts people, not pie slices, and adjust accordingly. You cut smaller pieces, you bake more pies, you ask people to bring another one. There is always enough pie to go around. Our economy is like that, it’s not finite.

    • votermom says:

      Yup. Of course if you say this the left will accuse you of channelling Reagan.

    • kanaughty says:

      That is a great observation. Its like he is a half empty type guy, tunnel vision, narrow thinking, not out of the box, not creative, and definitely not a problem solver or crisis management type person. He is basically a pessimist the total opposite of what his campaign was supposed to be about. It is like he can’t think the chess game pAst one move. I am trying to find the word, but i lost it, basically he is not moveable and not fluid. He is stuck on one path and can’t go any other way, like a robot without AI. Haha, he’s like a first generation robot and not at all like a pirate who thinks on the fly to get out of situations…. Arggg

  13. angienc says:

    Actual tweet by Matt Yglasias yesterday:

  14. HELENK says:

    where is Dandy
    today is his day


  15. votermom says:

    Now it’s a cartoon, not a film, that is the Islamist pretext for “protesting” French embassies.

  16. Lol-at-Large says:

    “What we are in the midst of witnessing right now is a complete, Fukushima-style meltdown of the mainstream media.”

    • Lulu says:

      This may be why. If the polls are unscrewed (the correct term is unskewed but I like mine better) Romney is ahead 7.8%. The preference cascade is full on.

      • gxm17 says:

        Yes. It started weeks ago. The media is trying their best to keep the Wizard’s curtain closed but it can’t stop the tide. (I like unscrewed better too.)

        • Lulu says:

          The percentages that are being used to select Obama voters, ie Dems, single females, under age 30, are getting further and further out of whack and cannot be blamed on anything but desperate selection bias to deliver a predetermined outcome. These polling companies should become laughingstocks and not taken seriously.

      • DandyTiger says:

        You can’t just adjust the numbers like that, un-skew them, statistically. But that might give you a feel of the potential. I like Rasmussen better because they’re focusing on likely voters now and they’re weighting based on party affiliation that gives I think a slightly better picture. Right now they’re showing 1 – 2 point advantage to Romney. All of these approaches have statistical problems. But we can only get the best among these until pollsters poll better and have better samples that reflect the real electorate.

        Still the thing most telling about all these polls are the unprecedented numbers of people not answering and the unprecedented numbers of people saying they can still change their minds. We don’t really know what that means. Are people really undecided and/or don’t want to think about the election yet. Or are people just not wanting to say for what should be obvious reasons.

      • Mary says:

        Yeah, they’re skewed. That new NBC/WSJ poll showing Obama up 5 points? Sample used 42%D, 37%R, 16%Independent.
        There is no way in hell….they undersampled Indies by 15.


      • JohnSmart says:

        Wow. Loving the unscrewed polls site. Thanks!

    • yttik says:

      There’s a good reason to vote for Romney. If we have a Republican in the white house, we’ll get our media back. Suddenly the country will once again care about unemployment, endless wars, freedom of speech.

  17. votermom says:

    The pic Obama doesn’t want you to see

  18. foxyladi14 says:

    Get em drunk and they will ante up 😆 😆

  19. tommy says:

    The MSM is absolutely writing off Romney and his campaign, as if its already doomed. The MSM is really pi**ing me off. They are protecting this rotten President who can’t do his job and get the American people off despair and desperation. Ultimately, its not about political ideologies, policies or competing visions. Its about the regular Joes and Janes who are strangled with this screwed-up economy. Its about regular people. You keep spinning and spinning, and hope that the common peasants believe your lies. And the MSM is perpetuating the lies and distractions. You have an unbelievable amount of unemployed and under-employed folk out there, struggling for a livelihood, but its politics as usual, and spin as a byproduct. Put aside the politics, ideologies and policies – the fact is that Captain Dick is a failed President. If the economy had come roaring back, I’d give him a break. But it hasn’t. This is one of weakest economic recoveries, thats if it sustains, ever. But the MSM keeps spinning.

    • votermom says:

      It is backfiring, imo. Just makes voters more determined to kick out Obama.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I think it’s backfiring too. Remember, Obama’s running on his record and has NOT helped ONE in his 47% rise up, just his union and bundler buddies, who are already rich too. And Michelle’s trinkets, parties and vacays.

        MORE people on welfare, food stamps, unemployment lines is a tragedy, not Hopetopia.

    • yttik says:

      “If the economy had come roaring back, I’d give him a break.”

      I’m really cheap, Tommy. If gas prices went back to what they were four years ago, 1.95, I’d give him a break. It sure seems like the “recovery” has been worse than the recession.

    • Constance says:

      I really think anyone stupid enough to believe the Corporate Media at this point would be too stupid to find their polling place on election day. And if I were Republicans in Ohio and Florida I would buy out some bars in Democrat parts of town for whatever stupid reason and keep likely Democrat voters busy with free parties until the polls close. Sure the Republican orgs can’t do this but Republican individuals can and should.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    So, is this the lady working Media Matters for DOJ PR ? This is from Nov 2011……

  21. gxm17 says:

    I had a dr. appt. this afternoon and drove through Alexandria (VA) to get there. The vast majority of signs are for local elections. There are more Kaine signs than Obama signs (I’m still not voting for the little prick). And there were as many Romney signs as Obama signs. This area is very liberal, Northern Virginia, and they always go blue so I found this quite interesting.

    • Glennmcgahee says:

      No you are wrong about Virginia. I just heard it on NPR’s Talk of the Nation. Romney might as well drop out. Even the Republicans have turned against him. Virginia has become LIBERAL. Pew poll has Obama 13 points ahead, etc, etc.
      Luckily a caller called in citing a poll of likely voters, virtually a tie. Not too good for an incumbent.
      God, why do I listen to this crap.

      • votermom says:

        I took NPR off my car radio pre-sets a while ago. My blood pressure improved quite a bit.

        • elliesmom says:

          NPR is one of the few media outlets that I actually get why they would shill for the Democrats. They’re like the public employee unions, trying to get the candidates they think will fill their coffers fuller into office. I used to pledge on a regular basis, but I don’t anymore. If they cleaned up their act, I might pledge again, and I don’t think I’m alone. They might end up with just as much money, and they’d get their dignity back.

        • angienc says:

          I’m with you elliesmom — I quit NPR (listening & membership) during the 2008 primary.

      • gxm17 says:

        I was only counting signs. Did they say how Kaine is doing? I get an email from his campaign practically every day, asking for money.

        While there may be a lot of folks in Northern Virginia who will vote for Obama this year, there is zero enthusiasm for him this time around. All Obama has to run on is the “Republicans are evil” meme. That’s all he’s got this time around. It will be very interesting to see if it’s enough to win him the election. (If I were placing a bet, I’d say no.)

  22. HELENK says:

    I really like this lady

    Iranian fruitcake warns woman about how she is dressed. she kicks the crap out of him.

    ginsue circumcision knives and lorena bobbitt classes should be taught in muslim countries. it would improve the lifespan of women there

  23. angienc says:

    FYI — I know this must hurt CNN to report:

    • votermom says:

      Indies have made up their minds.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’m always confused by the “no difference” response. Does that mean they were supporting or not supporting him to begin with ?

      • angienc says:

        Hmm — good point. But with the way the MSM is pushing this as the reason to *not* vote for Romney, I took it to mean they would — as in, this would be opportunity to decide. But I may be too far down the rabbit hole to see that it just means they don’t care about the comment & they are still undecided.

        • or, it could mean they are already firmly decided against him and this comment made no difference.

          time will tell.

          • angienc says:

            No, I totally disagree with that reasoning because it goes against human nature– if they were “already against” him they’d be in the 29% who say this means they will no longer vote for him because the MSM narrative is giving them a golden opportunity to “jump on the bandwagon” to express that view and be validated for it. They either really don’t care or are leaning Romney.

        • Constance says:

          Also not voting for Romney doesn’t mean voting for Obama. A long time ago I decided not to vote for Obama. I want to see a woman President before I die and I feel Obamacrats set that prospect back at least 50 years in 2008, but I am not a Republican. So I was going to vote my local ballot and then write in Presidential Barbie. I live in Washington state and by the time they count our mail in only ballots the election will be long over. But now I am going to vote for Romney because I think he has business skills which are needed and I think he is moral. I think the Obamacrats are immoral and their lies about the 911 attack and assassination of our Ambassador just confirm that for me. So people can be decided that they won’t vote Obama and undecided about how they will express that and highly motivated to vote.

    • DM says:

      JimAcosta’s twitter is the result for independent voters. Overall the negative is 14% (29-15). It’s difficult to know if those who feel negative towards what Romney were already tilting towards Obama. In any case 68% (15+53) is good.

      I’m not surprised.

      • Constance says:

        Well don’t forget the “bitterly clinging to guns and religion” Obama quote. It’s not like people have an option of voting for a gaff free Candidate who never has insulted any Americans.

        • DM says:

          The same gun toting, Bible clinging voters will agree with Romney. You know, the white collar workers (racist) that feel they are falling further and further behind in the GW and Obama economies.

        • DM says:

          I screwed up. I meant to say: the white blue collar workers (racist)….

  24. driguana says:

    What was Obama’s foregin policy experience prior to being elected president? Anybody have any factual info at all?

  25. angienc says:

    Tomas Sowell interview — all very interesting but first 5 minutes is really must see:

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