The last time I posted anything about Ann Coulter the reaction was so negative I had to pull my post. It was several years ago and I won’t repeat what I wrote back then but let’s just say I was not very kind to Ms. Coulter.
But I gotta give her props for going into the lion’s den on this one. She was outnumbered four or five to one and held her own. I’m not saying I agree with her, I’m just saying I was impressed with her courage.
I do want to take exception with something Whoopi Goldberg said. Right out the gate she asked Coulter “Tell me how much you know about being black.”
Black people do not own the race issue. They are not the sole arbiters of what is and is not racist. Yes, they have a unique perspective and they are entitled to their opinions.
I could easily turn it around and ask Whoopi “How much you know about being white?” The question is just as valid and just as ridiculous.
I know quite a bit about being me. I can tell you one man’s perspective of what it is like being a 52 year old straight white male in the United States. But I can’t tell you what it is like to be anyone else. Each of us has a unique perspective.
What Whoopi was trying to do was delegitimize Coulter’s point of view. That’s different from disagreeing with her conclusions. It’s one thing when a lawyer is dismissive of a non-lawyer’s legal opinions (or any expert vs. layperson) but other peoples’ thoughts and feelings are topics where none of us is an expert.
I know how I think and feel about the issue. You know how you think and feel. You can’t tell me how I feel and I can’t tell you how you think.
During Barack Obama’s Greatestest Speech On Race EVAH!™ he talked about having a national conversation on race. I’m all for it, because so far all we’ve been getting is a lecture.
The Crawdad Hole 
I really, really hate The View.
you read my mind myiq. That’s just what I wanted to shout at Whoopi myself. I’m so tired of being told that any opinion I have about race is illegitimate because I am white. That’s stupid. you’re right—–no conversation is welcome.
There was a time when civil rights advocates did not need to read minds. You can point at segregation and say “This is wrong.” But you can’t point at opposition to welfare and say “This is racism.”
oh well, like you said. How can you have a conversation when only one side is allowed to talk? I’m starting to agree with the people who say that electing the first black president hasn’t advanced race relations at all. All it’s done is release pent up anger and brought out the worst in us….
I had someone on my blog call me a dried up old white woman the other day. Even though it might be true 🙂 I didn’t like what followed and that is she said that soon there will be more of them than there are of you and when that happens, we’re coming after you. That’s progress?
Well, I hear that shit and then the blast back comes in my first language, espanol. That usually shuts down the entire busload.
Perhaps Whoopi is a racist ’cause all of her boyfriends have been white.
I get all warm and fuzzy when I hear others say the same thing. 😀
If you said I either had to watch the view or gouge my eyes out with my computer mouse, I’d have to think long and hard. That would be a tough call.
Me too. 🙂
LOL. Me three.
neither Anne Coulter or Whoopie Goldberg would ever make my like list.
The color issue has become like a broken record. Your pickin on me because I’m black. The excuse for not being all you can be has worn out.
Anne Coulter makes a living off being controversial. I will never forget or forgive her comments to the 9-11 families
Both have a point of view. Frankly I do not like either one. So I just do not watch either one
Ann Coulter and Bill Maher are soulmates. They make their livings saying outrageous things.
Weren’t they bedmates at one time?
I hope so. They deserve each other.
bill maher could not make out in any prison with a fist full of pardons.
why do you think he is so hateful.
Ann would never let a guy take the lead
She’s better on the radio. The only station my car radio picks up is a RW one & if they’re not talking about “value” issues, sometimes I’ll listen just to hear a conservative point of view.
Anyway, Coulter was a guest on Dennis Prager’s show & she was very good. None of the over-the-top theatrics, just a pretty straight forward discussion of her premise that white guilt generally made things worse, which she backed up with historical evidence. I was impressed, to tell you the truth.
Probably because she had a real interviewer which I can’t say about any of the View ladies. Ann’s a smart woman and I do love it when she smacks down Bill O’Reilly with facts and makes him blubber 😀
Does Whoopi mean black black, or just black?
There must be a difference because it’s Whoopi.
Yes.
I never watch the View except in clips like this one, and I’m not a Coulter fan, either. But she’s right about one thing – the Republicans have allowed the Democrats to steal their history when it comes to blacks and women. Republicans led the way in registering blacks to vote and in electing them to public office, and the Republicans were the first to include the ERA in their party platform. When one brings that up, the argument is always made that the kind of people who used to be Republicans are Democrats now so the Democrats should get the credit. Horsepuckey.
Both parties are less-than honest about their party histories. The truth is it doesn’t matter what the parties did in the past.
It’s what they are doing now that counts.
Honk!
Not if you’re an Obot. or Whoopi. or Meeeechelle.
In fact, every time I see that video wherein she talks about living in the White House “built by slaves”, I say “So move out if it so painful for you. %#&(*”
History does matter, myiq. When you’ve been lied to and deceived, the truth really can set you free.
Honk!
“Tell me how much you know about being black.“
Well, if Ann Coulter was a white LIBERAL, the answer would be, “everything bi&tch, and if you don’t like it you’re an oreo cookie, an anchor baby, and a race traitor! Now STFU and be grateful we gave you an Obamaphone!”
The truth is, white liberals define what it means to be black in this country and if you so much as whisper that you’d like to define it for yourself, they will unleash the hounds of hell on you.
^^^ this ^^^
Whoopi – I want reparations from about 2012 years ago and who gets to pay for my main man being hung from a cross? Throw in some more cash for taking my family’s oil lands in Oklahoma. I should be a fucking Princess! Better yet, I’ll just try to move forward. 👿
THANK YOU!! I am so tired of self important self appointed gatekeepers of authentic blackness telling me what I should and should not do. The strangest thing ever is being called an “Uncle Tom” by a black AND white liberal. They both are awful but the white liberal telling ME what to think and do is doubly weird.
Ann Coulter is reminding who were for apartheid in this country. I don’t agree with Ann on most issues, but her history is correct.
was that part of the film that set off the muslims???
myiq: I do hope you’ll do a post on the arrest of the maker of the anti-Islam video. We need a criminal defense attorney’s sharp eye on it. Am I correct in assuming that prosecutorial discretion could’ve been exercised to avoid arresting him for a parole/probation violation?
there is something flaky about the whole thing. at one time he was working for holders dept of crime.
see the link in the last post
here is the link
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/feds-arrest-nakoula-578341
Possibly, but if he intended to make some kind of objection to the “no Internet” provision of his probation, he likely was required to have done that at the time the probation requirements were imposed. But maybe there’s a criminal lawyer in the house who knows for sure. (I do civil litigation.)
You can’t make this shit up.
do mean if had taught my kids to give their shit to others instead of flushing it the would be obots
I hate flushing my shit, but what else can you do when the cops are at the door?
What does that say about OWSers who shit on cars?
Literally.
To paraphrase Freud — sometimes a BM is just a BM.
I saw this last week (I think) and I don’t remember where. It fits here.
jump in on now. Annabelle will be on too…
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/johnwsmart/2012/09/28/the-john-smart-show
Wow, that NY guest you had has sucked up the Obama kool-aid and just spewed lies straight from their talking points. Sad of course. But it goes to show how effective a destructive lie based campaign can be.
It was a good show. I couldn’t believe Marc Rubin. Another one rejoins the progressive borg. He may be chomping at the bit to spank his fantasy of what the right is these days, but there rare more of us chomping at the bit to spanks Obama and Obamacrats. Guaranteed.
Here’s what it’s like to be black in America and resisting liberal attempts to define you:
Mia Love under racial attack
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Mia-Love-under-racial-attack/JetvkQNJOEm9jcOFS8COWg.cspx?rss=20
Silly, it’s only racist if Republican’s do it.
Whoops Guiliani just declared Libya a cover up!
OK. I will talk about race. I am sick of hearing about how black people were slaves to generic white people 200 years ago. I come from a white trash family. No blacks were ever slaves to my family. My first kinsman came to this country against his will in the hold of a ship as an indentured servant who was a Scots political prisoner of the English. The ruling class of white people in colonial America oppressed many different groups of people, whites, blacks, native Americans basically anyone they could oppress. They also carried out genocide on Native Americans. I don’t feel guilty about this because I didn’t take part in it and neither did my relatives. I am sick of getting tarred with the same brush with the ruling class whites.
So that was then and this is now. We can’t change the past, you aren’t going to make me feel guilty about something I didn’t participate in but you do make me mad by insinuating I should feel guilty. Why don’t we all try to move forward together? That is something we might accomplish.
Ann Coulter will be on Hannity in just a minute.
#Breaking Nakoula Basseley Nakoula reveals his real name as Mark Youseff during hearing: http://t.co/JtMHASTD
link
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2012/09/27/10206/nakoula-basseley-nakoula-maker-innocence-muslims-a/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=161923568
judge orders film maker to jail immediately
I especially liked when Ann said “If you read Chapter 14 of my book . . .” and Whoopi cuts her off with “I don’t need to read your book! My grandmother told me stories.”
While I’m sure Whoopi’s grandmother gave her an invaluable first-person account of her OWN perspective/participation of the civil rights movement, how in the hell does that make Whoopi an authority on the civil rights movement & how would it hurt her to read someone 3rd party’s take on it?
Willful ignorance lest she have to start questioning her perspective.
What’s this with “My grandmother told me stories”? Elizabeth Warren says the same thing.
So does President Obama. It must be blame your grandmother week.
Exactly. My grandmother told me stories as well about fleeing pogroms as a young girl in Romania.
I appreciate what she said and what she experienced, but It doesn’t make me an expert on anything.
It did, btw, make me curious enough to read about her history.
Racial discussions is a waste of time, imho. First, there are plenty of whites who still believe the inferiority of the Blacks simply because of the color of their skin. Second, the whites in this country want to forget the damage done to the Blacks for 300 (1654-1964) years, and believe that 60 years of a different history will change the message sent to a group of people that they were inferior and therefore need to be separate and cannot achieve much because of who they are, very demeaning stuff. I don’t care how much the doors open for a person, if he believes that he cannot go through that door, it doesn’t matter what the truth is. Having said all that, I’m not in any way defending the Blacks view of themselves. In time, things will change, but it will take time. And I will end my rant with this:
Being Black is not a disability. Nobody can change how they see themselves, only they can do that. To see their potential, they need to see good role models, unfortunately Obama is not a good model. Mia Love is.
Correction: Racial discussions are a waste of time.
angie
Sununu is going to be on Greta tonight
Can I watch, too???
😉
Thanks Helen — I saw him! 🙂
My first reaction after watching the video of View was the complete feeling of having stepped thru the looking glass.
8 years ago in the low point of the Bush re-election, I had a white hot disdain for (m)Ann Coulter and all Republican reptiles, and now after the complete opening of my eyes in 08, I actually get where Ann is coming from.
Does this mean I have made a complete turning the worm inside out? or have I always been a closed minded BOT? Maybe Ann has changed? No. She’s still outrageous but smart and has the level of detail that bewilders her opposition.
I never watch the view… and now, aside from Ann, I know why.
Whoopie is a dunce. Barbara still spouting the most predicable nonsense.
Your journey is similiar to mine 😀 Though I find myself “saner” on this side. Was never a View watcher even then, I did and still do find it annoying.
LOL! This is cracking me up tonight.
We Are Dumb
That is so great!
It’s come to this: The Atlantic is defending the use of drones.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/targeted-killing-pro-and-con-what-to-make-of-obamas-afghan-drone-policy/262862/
Fucking Obama.
When The One does it, it’s okee-dokee.
Best quote I’ve read about Obama:
“I don’t know if Obama is a masturbater, but he certainly is a jerk off.” Larry Johnson
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/27/report-u-s-troops-in-afghanistan-told-no-more-close-air-support/
has our government gone completely crazy???
no air support for our military in afghanistan
no security for our ambassadors
no wonder the US arabs support him overwhelmingly
no wonder our military hates him
We know that the polls have a skewed sample that helps the Democrats, but as I said before, over time, the trend is what matters. I also said that bigger margin between Obama and Romney is due to Romney dropping in the polls, while Obama is remaining constant. It’s the same that happened to Carter in the 1980 election. That awful Reuters-Ipsos poll confirms my point:
Sep Obama Romney
26 49 43
25 49 42
24 49 43
20 48 43
19 48 43
18 47 43
17 48 43
13 48 41
Voters are not being sold on Obama. They just went into the I will wait for more information. Romney is trending up.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PALIN_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-27-21-45-57
activist law suit against Sarah Palin thrown out of court
my God if running for office brings out this many crazies, no wonder most people do not want to run
And now we have an anonymous source from the administration explaining that they knew all along it was a terrorist attack but pretended to the world it was the film protest so the terrorists wouldn’t know what we were thinking….. ( just somebody forgot to tell Susan Rice I guess)
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/source-u-responded-benghazi-attack-terrorism-day-one-215656818–election.html
if we cover our eyes, maybe they won’t see us
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/elizabeth-warrens-law-license-problem/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/elizabeth-warren-represented-massachusetts-client-in-massachusetts/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/elizabeth-warren-defender-with-this-bombshell-i-would-no-longer-view-the-case-against-her-as-weak/
I’ve been following this — WTF? She could have been admitted to the MA on motion very easily:
http://barreciprocity.com/massachusetts-bar-reciprocity/
Why didn’t she just file the motion?
Meanwhile, after 9 years of being an admitted & practicing attorney in LA, when I moved to NC in 2005 after Katrina, I had to take a job as a paralegal for a year so I could study for, take & be admitted to the NC Bar (LA being a civil law jurisdiction doesn’t receive reciprocity with most of the other states, including NC — I of course had to study the common law stuff plus refresh myself on stuff I hadn’t been actively practicing for the previous 9 years). If I had to do all that before practicing in NC, she sure as hell should have taken the trouble to FILE A FUCKING MOTION.
She knew better & obviously figured the rules didn’t apply to her. If we had a free & fair press, she’d get not one vote outside of immediate family.
Of course, if we had a free & fair press, Obama would be polling in the 20s.
She didn’t want to pay the fees.
Then really FUCK HER — charging more than $600 an hour for legal “consulting” while safe in her cushy Harvard Law prof gig.
Its a Harvard thing.
BTW — I just found out that our lying & incompetent UN Ambassador Susan Rice did NOT attend Netanyahu’s address to the UN today (an envoy was there but no high ranking official). Damn — this country’s official position towards Israel is now: “We just don’t give a fuck,”