Hairplug Joe To The Rescue?


ABC News:

Vice President Joe Biden is currently in Wilmington, Delaware prepping for the vice presidential debate Thursday. However, the Obama campaign does not expect Biden, a former senator and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to make up for the president’s showing in the first presidential debate, according to multiple Democratic sources.

While Obama campaign senior adviser David Axelrod is on hand in Delaware, sources told CNN his presence is not a reaction to the president’s weak showing at the Denver debate and that Axelrod was previously scheduled to attend. The vice president’s preparations are being run by his former chief of staff Ron Klain, who is in charge of the president’s prep as well.

Biden started his debate practice Sunday and will continue through Wednesday for a total of four days of prep, according to an administration official.


For their sakes I hope they aren’t putting all their eggs in Joe Biden’s basket. It’s far more likely that Biden will lose or manage a draw than win, but even if he pulls a Romney and blows Paul Ryan off the stage I doubt it will affect anything. On the other hand, a clear victory by Ryan will add to the Mittmentum.

How bad was last week’s performance by Obama?:

As the first presidential debate ended, senior surrogates for the Obama campaign were noticeably absent from the “spin room” where both sides attempt to put the best face on their candidate’s performance. Representatives for Romney had the assembled media pretty much to themselves for the first ten minutes post-debate.

At the time, Axelrod was one of at least a half dozen people on a conference call that started as the first presidential debate ended Thursday night, according to an administration official. Axelrod, along with White House senior adviser David Plouffe, campaign manager Jim Messina, White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer, deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter and former White House communications director Anita Dunn participated in the call, which may have contributed to the Democrats’ delay.


Team Obama was already in crisis mode before Obama walked off the stage. They wanted to get their story straight before they talked to the press. You can just imagine the conversation.

What the fuck just happened?

“I don’t fucking know, but how am I supposed to go out there and pretend we won?”

How about if we say the President had a small stroke?

The best part is Obama thought he had won!


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106 Responses to Hairplug Joe To The Rescue?

  1. myiq2xu says:

    I think Joe the Talking Donkey will do better than Obama did, but that’s a low standard.

  2. t says:

    Obama thought he had won….this is why he’ll also lose next time. No improvement necessary when you exist in a bubble.

    • Mary says:

      He believes his own hype. Amazing, really.

      Pride goeth before a falll , and all that.

      Couldn’t happen to a better guy, in my opinion.

  3. myiq2xu says:

  4. angienc says:

    Of course Obama thought he won — he didn’t perform any worse than he’s ever performed (sans teleprompter) throughout 2008 & over the last 4 years. He just is too narcissistic to realize that it has been the DNC & MSM spin propping him up all this time & not his “cool charm” or “mad skillz!”

  5. myiq2xu says:

  6. votermom says:

    That poster is priceless.

  7. yttik says:

    It is kind of funny, President Obama has always had to rely on Joe Biden to bail him out, to try and give him legitimacy. It wouldn’t be so funny, but we’re talking about Joe Biden here! Just how bad of a leader do you have to be to make Joe Biden look like the sophisticated one??

    If Paul Ryan can tune down his youth, energy, enthusiasm, I think he’ll do well. Biden has the advantage of age and experience. The one who can deliver calm and clarity will likely be perceived the winner. I knew Romney was going to cream Obama on the calm and clear part, but I’m not so confident about Ryan pounding Biden into the sand. Biden has an advantage.

    • votermom says:

      Biden should beg them to play this before the debate starts

      • angienc says:

        “Old age & treachery will overcome youth & skill”

        Perfect! Exactly my sentiments to those setting such high expectations on Ryan in the VP debate.

    • myiq2xu says:

      One thing about debating is you have control over your side. No matter what questions get asked or what the other side says, only you can make stupid stuff come out of your mouth.

      All Ryan needs to do is play his game and not worry about anything else.

      • ecoast says:

        This is the part that I still don’t understand about the first debate. All the topics were announced a day or so earlier. All O had to do was to memorize his 5 or 6 sentences on each topic and his closing statement. He needed to do nothing else in that open format. Just ignore Romney and deliver
        your lines. He would have managed at least a near draw with that.

        Another point I want to make is Rob Portman really made Romney better. I think he really pushed all Romney’s buttons. Romney was quoted during his debate preps as saying “he (Portman) is getting under my skin” and “when

        the prep was over, I wanted to kick him out of the room.” He was that good.
        Can’t say the same about Kerry.

        • angienc says:

          See I think you’re wrong here — that *is* what Obama tried to do (i.e., just deliver his lines & not engage Romney) and that is why he looked so bad up there. Romney was actually countering Obama’s talking points & Obama couldn’t respond to those counters because (1) he didn’t memorize lines to counter such arguments — most likely because Team Obama actually thinks the Strawmaney they’ve created & sold to the public *is* the real Romney; and (2) he isn’t smart enough to think quickly on his feet to defend his crappy record.

    • angienc says:

      Youth & energy has advantages too — it’s how Obama supposedly “beat” Hillary (although we know better but that’s how he was ‘sold’ to the general public) and frankly Romney came off as more energetic than Obama at the debate, which is one of the reasons he appeared so attractive to many against the half-asleep Obama.

      Nonetheless, I do agree with you to a certain extent — this isn’t Biden’s first time at the rodeo — he was in the US Senate for 36 years before becoming VP — he isn’t going to come in there with utter contempt for Ryan like Obama went in their against Romney or as if he is “too good” to debate (also like Obama did). Also, Biden isn’t going to allow Ryan to make his points without challenging him on them, even if he needs to make things up (like he did against Palin in 2008). I think if it isn’t a clear win like Romney’s, and because I’m sure Ryan will be able to hold his own, the best the GOP can hope for is the MSM declaring it a draw.

    • yttik says:

      On the bright side, Ryan has some recent experience with being attacked and challenged. Biden not so much. Biden has been playing before cheering crowds. Nobody has confronted Biden lately, (except perhaps for the white house when he makes an infamous gaffe.) Biden hasn’t really had to defend himself or explain his policies. He says, “the middle class has really been slammed in the last four years,” and the crowd cheers.

      Ryan has had to deal with suspicious conservatives, left leaning hecklers, independents, moderates, the far right.

  8. myiq2xu says:

    Rich Lowry:

    When Obama aides say that the real Romney didn’t show up in Denver, what they really mean is that he failed to live down to their rank caricature of him, broadcast far and wide by the Obama campaign.

    As he showed during an hour and a half of high-pressure TV, Romney is a capable and intelligent man who is ready to be president and has a substantial reform agenda. The Obama campaign’s response to his debate victory basically was, “Don’t believe your lying eyes — believe our super PAC ads.”

    Democrats have convinced themselves that all the president needs to do to come roaring back in the next debate is rebut Romney’s dishonesties, which will expose his indefensible agenda and shallow reinvention. The president’s team evidently underestimated Romney once already. If it believes this “lying liar” interpretation of the debate — rather than pushing it in the media for lack of anything else to say — it will underestimate him yet again.

    • yttik says:

      It’s really an ironic argument. It’s like, how dare Romney not live up to the soft bigotry of our low expectations! President Obama always does! President Obama always shows up as the composite we have created in our fantasies. How come Romney is refusing the composite we’ve assigned to him? He’s not playing fair!

    • gxm17 says:

      I think this really hits the mark. My daughter was stunned by Romney’s debate performance. Now, like many Americans, she has a very positive view of him which she didn’t have before. The first debate was Romney’s introduction to the nation. And he rocked it.

  9. 49erDweet says:

    If Biden can only control his tendency to exaggerate he might stand a chance to eke out a draw, but my money is on him overstating issues, and imploding. Drastically. Terminally. Finally.

  10. myiq2xu says:

    You kids behave. I’ll be back later.

  11. myiq2xu says:

    ZOMG!!!

    DDay at FDL:

    Obama Ad About Big Bird Cannot Find One Prominent Wall Street Criminal Prosecuted By Administration

    This is an amusing ad by the Obama campaign, poking fun at Mitt Romney’s comment in the first debate about eliminating funding for PBS and Big Bird. President Obama has been getting good traction on the stump with the line about Romney looking out for Wall Street while fighting Sesame Street, and so they turned it into ad form. This was perhaps the most memorable line of the debate, and it came from Romney. Obama may have had a bad debate performance, but he gave the Romney campaign few quotable lines to work with. So it’s the Romney lines that get highlighted in ads.

    There’s only one thing that sticks out to me about this ad, though the casual viewer probably won’t notice it. Let’s look at that litany of Wall Street “criminals” and “gluttons of greed,” which later get juxtaposed with Big Bird. You have Bernie Madoff, Ken Lay and Dennis Kozlowski. So two CEOs prosecuted and convicted by George W. Bush’s Justice Department, and Madoff, whose son turned him in before Obama took office, in December 2008, and who pleaded guilty.

    So the Obama campaign could not fill a list of three Wall Street criminals that the Obama Justice Department actually sent to jail. Heck, they couldn’t fill a list of one!

    This is despite Eric Holder telling students at Columbia University in February of this year that his Justice Department’s record of success on fighting financial fraud crimes “has been nothing less than historic.” But not historic enough that his boss could point to, well, one Wall Street criminal behind bars as a result of DoJ’s actions.

    That’s painfully telling. Nobody from Bank of America or Wells Fargo or Citigroup or JPMorgan Chase or Goldman Sachs or Bear Stearns or Morgan Stanley or Merrill Lynch or even Countrywide or Ameriquest was available to stand in as a “glutton of greed” in this advertisement. Literally no major figure responsible for the financial crisis has gone to jail. So the campaign has to use two CEOs from a decade-old accounting scandal, and a garden-variety Ponzi schemer. The financial crisis plays no role in this advertisement trying to juxtapose cuts to PBS with the financial crisis!

    The subtext here is far more revealing than the text.

    I hope Mr. Dayan likes it under the bus.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Now I’m leaving for reals

    • angienc says:

      I noticed Jon Corzine of MF Global wasn’t pictured as one of the Wall Street villains either. In fact, not only hasn’t Obama prosecuted him, Corzine is one of Obama’s biggest bundlers.

    • Karma says:

      It’s stunning that Obama & Co approved that ad but I guess it should be surprising. His usual projection is on display. They must really believe their own bs or assume that people don’t remember they protected Wall St over Main St.

      And when they call Mitt a liar….really?

      In terms of truthiness, with Obama it’s always been safe to assume he will do the exact opposite of what he says.

  12. cj says:

    Nathan Wurtzel‏@NathanWurtzel

    Probably need to stop manically refreshing RCP. Not good for me to be doing that. Anyway, Romney just went ahead in CO.

  13. HELENK says:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sesame-workshop-asks-obama-camp-to-take-down

    sesame workshop tells backtrack and bunch to leave big bird alone

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Ryan’s been debating old stodgey congress critters for awhile now, he knows how to handle a Joey B. 😉

  15. tommy says:

    As long as Ryan doesn’t throw Grandpa Biden over the cliff at the debates, thereby proving the prog narrative, I’m ok with a draw or as I estimate, a slight Ryan advantage. But Ryan is young, so Biden may be constantly on the defensive. Biden may be experienced, but Ryan knows the wonkish details of any issue. It’ll be a fascinating contest.

  16. HELENK says:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/10/08/is-a-donor-scandal-about-to-rattle-the-obama-campaign-updated-report-finds-a-serious-and-systemic-threat-to-the-integrity-of-the-u-s-election-system-2/

    funny how now they listen. the same things were going on in the 2008 election and no one would hear.

    revenues going down for media, might be ready to throw backtrack overboard

  17. HELENK says:

    As long as Ryan does not Joe a victim he will be ok.
    Treat him with respect as you would anyone older, but do not let him get away with too much.
    Say “charming” and Fantaastic” instead of bullshit when he speaks.

    lesson taught at work
    the customer is not always right, but he is allowed to be wrong with dignity.

    • yttik says:

      Exactly Helen.

    • fernschild says:

      I’m going to use your phrase about being wrong with dignity where I work, Helen. Caregivers for the very elderly have to remember that, even when they deal with the extremely grumpy.

      • Mary says:

        As a fellow CNA in a nursing home, I heartily agree. There are many ways to manage the difficulties–humor, etc–without humiliation. And the people on the receiving end are actually grateful, when it’s past. Well said!

  18. tommy says:

    Sean Trende over at RCP has an intriguing viem of the strategy adopted by the Obama campaign dating back to 2008, and it continues today. Please do read it if you can. According to Trende, its O vs. gravity. lol

    • tommy says:

      Not viem, but view.

    • angienc says:

      Good article, thanks for the head ups. Here’s a link for others:

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/09/can_obamas_lead_resist_the_forces_of_gravity_115721.html

      The article expands on a theme others have mentioned here:

      One theory I’ve had about this election is particularly relevant right now. I call it “Barack Obama vs. gravity.” The basic idea is this: Team Obama has had one overriding goal this cycle — to keep the president ahead of Mitt Romney in the polls.

      The reason is simple: Obama is, and always has been, something of a bandwagon candidate. A major theme in 2008 was always that supporting Obama enabled the voter to be a part of history, encouraging others to join in the process. But for that theme to work, the perception had to be that Obama was, in fact, going to win.

      So every time there was a real or potential setback, Team Obama was ready to change the subject. I don’t mean this as an insult. Rather, I simply mean it as descriptive of some smart moves by the Obama campaign during the last campaign and, I think, this campaign.

      Consider, for example, the president losing the Democratic primary in West Virginia on May 13, 2008, by 40 points. The rollout of John Edwards’ endorsement the next day was clearly meant to change the headlines and to counter the obvious storyline about Obama’s weakness with working-class whites.

      Similarly, after the third debate in 2008, Obama’s lead over John McCain shrunk from 8.2 points on Oct. 14 to five points as of Oct. 19. And on Oct. 19, Colin Powell endorsed Obama, reversing that momentum.

      We have seen the same strategy at work in 2012

  19. mcnorman says:

    Fire Sale to raise money for Barry

  20. angienc says:

    It’s fun watching the progs panic — truly, no one deserves the schadenfreude-ness of it all more than us — but I still take all these polls with a grain of salt because I don’t think the MSM will so easily let go of TehPrecious. That is, these polls may turn into ones with 15+ Dem skews after the Romney/Obama townhall debate so the MSM can write their “Obama as comeback kid” story (lets face it, he’s already tried to be Big Dawg in everything else this campaign season).
    And while I hope this is the start of the Mittmentum to such an extent that the MSM can’t deny it, It doesn’t really matter what happens this week with Ryan v. Biden or next week with the townhall or the week after that. On 11/6/12, Obama’s going to lose anyway.

    • yttik says:

      LOL, some of those pre-debate polls were already skewed +15 Dem, angie. I forget which one I was looking at, but it not only had a +15 Dem bias, it only had 8 independents. Not 8%, a grand total of 8!

  21. HELENK says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/08/how-it-costs-taxpayers-1-4-billion-a-year-to-fund-the-white-house/

    this is the most expensive part time worker ever. Even when there he does sloppy work

  22. angienc says:

    Best description of Romney at the debate that I’ve seen:

    [H]e brings the temperament of a golden retriever and the instincts of a pit bull,

  23. votermom says:

  24. HELENK says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/09/truth-u-s-taxpayers-do-subsidize-sesame-street-in-pakistan/

    taxpayers do not subsidize sesame st in the USA

    but

    US taxpayers DO subsidize sesame st for Pakistan

  25. gxm17 says:

    What I find really, really strange is the deafening silence on FB. The Obama supporters, apparently, have nothing to say. What happened to the talking points they so diligently regurgitated day after day? Poof. Gone. Kinda eerie, like some deserted Twilight Zone set.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Remember when McCain first announced Sarah Palin as his VP?

      Obamanation was quiet for nearly 2 hours while they waited for talking points.

      • gxm17 says:

        I guess I grew so accustomed to the constant Obamaganda yammering, that the silence is really disconcerting. I wonder if it’s because they haven’t received the talking points or if the talking points are so idiotic they are too embarrassed to repeat them.

    • angienc says:

      I’ve seen a few comparing Obama “getting” Osama with Romney “getting” Big Bird — not many, only the truly idiot Obots among my FB “friends.” Too stupid to even comment on, IMO.
      Funnily enough, they’re the same ones who were on that moronic MSNBC Mona person’s side for defacing that “offensive” NY Subway sign.
      Honestly, I don’t even know why I’m FB “friends” with these people.

      • gxm17 says:

        The most devout obot of my FB friends is that asshole kid who was so proud he made the news disrupting one of Romney’s Virginia rallies. I think he’s the only one who has made a peep since the debate and it was only one tiny peep and, yes, I think it was one of those non-starter muppet memes. IMO, even the diehards are realizing that Obama has jumped the shark… or should we change that to “jumped the Bird”? (Someone with Photoshop skills should composite a photo of Obama on a surf board jumping Big Bird.)

  26. votermom says:

    More Ann (warning! the audio is on autoplay)

    Ann Romney reluctantly entered the 2012 presidential circus with both eyes open with regard to the main stream media’s treatment of her and her husband.
    In an interview with Brian Wilson, Bryan Nehman and Larry O’Connor on WMAL’s “Morning’s on the Mall” Mrs. Romney acknowledged that after the 2008 campaign for the GOP nomination she said she would never go through the process again. Part of the reason for her reluctance to re-enter the political arena was the harsh and dishonest treatment from the press, according to Mrs. Romney.
    Asked about the media’s treatment of Gov. Romney compared to their coverage of President Obama, Mrs. Romney said, “Whenever you’re in politics you know it’s never going to be fair.”
    Listen to the entire interview here from WMAL:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/09/Ann-Romney-Never-Expected-Media-To-Be-Fair

  27. angienc says:

    Romney responds to the Big Bird “attack”

    • Lulu says:

      In retrospect 2008 was about the same. It was all about cultural and symbolic nothings like how cool Obama is, Hope and Change and we are the ones we have been waiting for. Now looking back, with the dreadful last four years it looks so stupid. They are trying it again with Big Bird the latest example. Again it looks so stupid. Four years ago the producers of Sesame Street would not told Obama to knock it off but times have changed.

  28. swanspirit says:

    Holy Fucking Jesus on a pogo stick , Leslie Marshall is on Megyn kelly saying Lara Logan is “too emotional ” aka she was raped so she cannot be objective , to take her opinion on the taliban seriously .

    • catarina says:

      Who didn’t see that coming?
      I expected it to be from a guy though, not a woman!

      FU Leslie Marshall, you are an asshole.
      Can we flame her on Twitter?

    • Lulu says:

      There is a word for women like that and it is not used by me online or in polite company. I will go outside and yell it and scare the wildlife.

    • Karma says:

      Wow…..I hope Megyn Kelly set her straight. The war on women still coming from the left.

      • cj says:

        Megyn told her to be careful going down that road. It was just before the break, so I didn’t hear it clearly.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Rape victims tend to be biased against their rapists but we still let them testify.

    • gram cracker says:

      WTF! Caught a little bit of that, backed it up to see who was saying that. Not surprised to see it was Leslie. She reminds me of Alan Colmes.

      After the outright lying and coverup from the Obama admin regarding ambassador Steven’s assassination and the murder of the other three and the attempted coverup, why aren’t people like Leslie saying “Lara Logan is making some strong accusations. She has a lot of experience with the ME, unfortunately including the recent sexual assault in Egypt. I’d like to hear the Obama admin’s response and other independent analysis before commenting as I am not a ME expert.”

      But if she said that FOX wouldn’t pay her to appear. FOX needs Kool-Aid swillers like Marshall and Colmes to keep their conservative viewing base’s bile in a boil. M&C are the Democrats D team.

      • cj says:

        And Juan Williams & that big buffoon Bob Beckel. The only Dems worth listening to on FOX are Kirsten Powers & Joe Trippi.

        • gram cracker says:

          True Dat! Juan’s analysis looks more twisted than a pretzel.

        • gram cracker says:

          To Powers and Trippi I would add Dem pollsters Pat Caddell and Doug Schon. These four seem to have a good measure of objectivity about both parties. They don’t allow words to be put in their mouth and do a good job of standing up to the likes of O’Riley and Hannity.

    • yttik says:

      I don’t understand why some people in the media are going off on Lara Logan as if she said something controversial. The Taliban, the extremists in the ME, really don’t like us. You can tell from way they burn the American flag, rape our journalists, and kill our embassy people. They are not all filled with warm fuzzy feelings about an Arab Spring.

      The white house either doesn’t get that or they don’t care. I guess that’s the controversial part, the fact that Logan’s words are contradicting the Ministry of Truth?

    • I so knew that was coming.

      Lara Logan is tainted for life – despicable but true.

  29. DM says:

    Gallup tracking poll has changed its filter to “likely” voters today and the shift is huge.

    Romney is up 2 points.

  30. DeniseVB says:

    Photo-journal: Outside a S.F. Obama fundraiser, a tea party breaks out. Nice job covering it here:

    http://thecitysquare.blogspot.com/2012/10/san-francisco-tea-party-greets-obama.html

    The O supporters left behind a lot of trash, photos of the tea people picking it up 😀

  31. DM says:

    Unfounded pride

    Obama ‘believed he had BEATEN Romney’ in Denver debate – after ignoring advice of top aides on preparation
    […]
    Democrat claims he was so disdainful of Romney that he didn’t think he needed to even engage with him
    […]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215173/Obama-believed-beaten-Romney-Denver-debate-ignoring-advice-aides.html

    • DM says:

      Yeah. Obama got drunk with his own koolaid, selling that Romney was a loser and then believed what Obama sold.

      “Moods matter because they shape decisions. Going into the debate, Romney looked like a loser. The coverage reflected that. Republican comments (usually off-the-record) reflected that. The rumors reflected that… All that has stopped. Obama supporters still don’t expect him to lose, but they are fidgety and unhappy.” — E.J. Dionne

    • gram cracker says:

      Question is does Obama now have respect for Romney? Not likely. So will he be able to keep his disdain in check or will that get the better of him and he lose his cool and show his hate during the next debate? Romney has him on the ropes – hopes he doesn’t bite Mitt’s ear off.

      Stay tuned Obama is personally experiencing some bumps in the road in his quest to keep Michelle in the White House. Don’t think he wants to lose and have to face the rest of his life waking up to that grumpy mug every morning.

    • yttik says:

      “…Democrat claims he was so disdainful of Romney that he didn’t think he needed to even engage with him…”

      That’s certainly plausible. Obama has been so disdainful towards Republicans, Congress, Tea Partiers, Bitter Small Town Clingers, Hillary Supporters, the Congressional Black Caucus, Israel’s leaders, and the Media, that he’s felt he shouldn’t even have to try and engage with any of them.

      • Erica says:

        He’s the king of disdain, condescension, and disrespect. Those are the few things he does well. Besides lying and projecting, that is.

  32. tommy says:

    Guess its time for a mini celebration. Romney has finally for the first time taken the lead at the RCP average. RCP has been undeniably accurate at the last 2 preezy elections that I’m ecstatic that Romney in now in the forefront.

  33. gram cracker says:

    “You can give your youngsters a lot of pleasure with Kool-Aid. You know it’s pure and good”.

    Scary! Look at the future white-guilt bots line up for their dose of Kool-Aid.

  34. gram cracker says:

    O.J. Simpson? No! He didn’t really go there did he? Just shows how thin skinned, shallow and juvenile Obama’s campaign team are. Doesn’t seem like a good strategy to win back the single white women’s vote. Murdered ex-wife. What about that war on women?

    Obama Hits Romney Over PBS Again, Compares Elmo to O.J. Simpson

    The Obama campaign is out this morning with a sarcastic ad all about Big Bird, mocking Romney for wanting to eliminate the federal subsidy for PBS. The press is already pointing out the Obama campaign is playing “small ball” in the wake of Obama’s disastrous debate performance, even as Romney has subsequently given a major foreign policy address and otherwise elevated his campaign.

    The RNC is further pointing out that Obama has mentioned Big Bird eight times and Elmo five times since the debate, and has made no mention of Libya or an economic plan. Despite this, the Obama campaign really seems to be banking on its PBS attack. Last night, the president compared the plight of Elmo to O.J. Simpson, suggesting the beloved muppet was in a “white suburban” and “heading for the border”:

  35. Karma says:

    Less than a month after a Libyan Gitmo detainee assassinated Amb Stevens and the most effective attack on US jets since Vietnam. The Obama Admin – the worst negotiator in the world is looking forward to getting back to table with the Taliban.

    Later in the article it essentially describes each side blaming the other side’s team for the breakdown over Taliban Gitmo detainees. And refers to a previous article of that breakdown in which Afghan Pres says the US should focus on economic assistance and reconstruction, inspiring many cynical laughs at the time. Since China, India, Pakistan, Russia, and Iran are all lining up to help Afghanistan exploit it’s mining potential, etc once we pull out.

    Negotiations broke down in March after a failure to agree the fate of five insurgents, including three Taliban commanders, held in the Guantánamo Bay detention camp. In return, an American soldier, Bowe Bergdahl, was to have been freed by a Taliban affiliate, the Haqqani network, as part of a sequence of confidence-building measures leading to a ceasefire and broader talks between Kabul and the insurgency.

    The collapse has been widely blamed on resistance in the US Congress and the Pentagon to allowing any Taliban prisoners to be released or transferred from Guantánamo. However, a senior administration official insisted the Obama administration had been ready to transfer the five prisoners to Qatar had the Taliban agreed to the conditions in Doha. The transfer would have required a “certification” from the defence secretary, Leon Panetta, guaranteeing to Congress that the Guantánamo inmates would not re-enter the fight against US troops.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/08/us-taliban-talks-guantanamo

    It is also important to note that Russia doesn’t want any pipelines to go through Afghanistan that will negate their pipeline that serves Europe and the Afghan pipeline was always the belief for Bush slow-walking that war. But recent claims by Exxon that they won’t invest in developing Afghanistan’s mineral wealth at least shows that big oil is aware the military won’t be there to protect them.

    So good news, bad news. The war will be over, but we only softened them up enough to want to be exploited by other countries and they will be rich enough and emboldened to attack again. Both Bush and Obama screwed up for different reasons.

    Osama bin Laden actually noted Reagan pulling out after the Marine barracks attack proved to him that the US was a ‘Paper Tiger’ and inspired his attacks on the US. They’ll be back…

    Lara Logan is right.

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