Post-Debate Thread


What a clusterfuck!

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200 Responses to Post-Debate Thread

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Prediction: The media will say Biden won.

    • OldCoastie says:

      agreed.

    • Constance says:

      The Media needs to be concerned with their credibility. People don’t have to watch them or pay for their services. We have on line alternatives to their crap.

    • wyntre says:

      A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday’s matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.

      The margin between the two candidates was within the poll’s five point sampling error.

      A poll taken immediately after last week’s first presidential debate showed a much more decisive victory for Mitt Romney. Sixty seven percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious

  2. DM says:

    The Hill:

    Romney leads by 3 percentage points in the latest Reuters-Ispsos and UPI-CVoter polls. He has 47 percent support compared Obama’s 44 percent in the former, and 49 percent to 46 percent lead in the latter.
    Both of those polls are of likely voters, but Romney’s leads are within the margins of error.

    The race is a little tighter in surveys from Gallup and IBD-TIPP, where Romney leads 48 percent to 47 percent, and 47 percent to 46 percent, respectively.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/261537-romney-ahead-in-four-new-national-polls

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Watching the post game show on Fox, Brett Baier and Megyn Kelly.

  4. swanspirit says:

    I felt like the only reality touchstone was Ryan

  5. driguana says:

    This was not a debate. Raddatz was clearly NOT a moderator and was openly siding with Biden and constan tly interruptin Ryan. This was not a debate….it was a piece of crap. Why do Republicans agree to these set up??? Raddatz was pathetic!

  6. carol haka says:

    Sickening! Biden and Obama both need a drug test. 👿

  7. myiq2xu says:

    1226 hits during the first hour.

  8. angienc says:

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Trippi says Biden overdid the smirking. Ryan strong foreign policy positions impressive

  10. lyn5 says:

    What was with the angry Biden? His yelling was horrible.

  11. Lulu says:

    Soledad O’Prison was saying how wonderful Martha Radish was in the debate on CNN. Switched channels and Joe Trippi said too much smirking.

    • Constance says:

      I thought the moderator sucked and I am a feminist who wants to say any female in media is good. I wish I could be impressed with the job she did.

  12. taw46 says:

    Smirkin’ Joe and poutin’ BO, what a pair.

  13. cj says:

    I want to see a focus group reaction. Trippi thinks Biden did swell, I thought he stunk up the damned room.

  14. myiq2xu says:

    • Karma says:

      MsNBC was thrilled. Maddow happy for Martha interrupting. Matthews’ hair was in place and O’Donnell was smiling at Biden being a jerk.

      What a low bar for debate success. It was the rudest VP debate I can remember.

  15. taw46 says:

    Joe Trippi again saying, he just doesn’t think women will like that smirking.

  16. angienc says:

    Joe Trippi had to admit that Biden overdid the smugness/condescending attitude.

  17. mcnorman says:

    “laughing gas” should have been taken away a bit earlier. hahahahahaaha

  18. DeniseVB says:

    Brit Hume – Biden had a strong debate, but that smirky thing wasn’t attractive and rude.

  19. angienc says:

    Brit Hume agrees — looks like cranky old man next to respectful young man.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    Greta found Biden unlikable.

  21. wmcb says:

    Joe did well on firing up the lefty base. But I predict indies and swing voters will NOT be impressed with his smirking and interrupting. He interrupted Ryan 96 times.

    • cj says:

      96 times ! And add to that how many times Martha interrupted him.

    • DM says:

      I hope you are right. Biden was obnoxious.

    • gxm17 says:

      You are right. I liked what Joe Biden had to say. The problem is this: I trust the Democrats and the Obama about as far as I can throw them. They think they can stand up there and parrot a liberal ideology but then throw it all out when it comes to writing legislation. Fuck ’em! Even as I nodded my head in agreement with Biden, all I could think was: You lying sack of shit! Last night’s debate only solidified my commitment to not vote for the Democratic Party. (And I didn’t like the smirking either.)

  22. OldCoastie says:

    No matter what the media claims, there clearly was no knock out punch by Joe (even if we think he was a sneering drunk)

  23. tommy says:

    So who won?

  24. wmcb says:

    Watch the polls. Betcha RR gets more undecideds out of this. Watch the gender gap, too. Undecided women will not care for Joe’s big swingin dick smirk and bluster.

  25. angienc says:

  26. yttik says:

    Hands down, Ryan won. Biden was defensive, condescending, and came across like a used car salesman selling you a really bad clunker and getting pissed off because you weren’t buying. Ryan was calm, clear, and showed compassion and warmth.

    Undecideds and independents will not be impressed with Biden’s performance. I don’t care what the media says and neither does 63% of the country.

  27. threewickets says:

    Think it was a great debate for both of them. MSNBC seems more excited, Fox more mature. Curious about this new wrinkle blaming the CIA for the videotape story which Biden also confirmed in the debate.

    • DM says:

      From the link, Dana thinks that the classified information that the “other government agency” had an office in Benghazi was made public by the committee. I think that maybe that’s why it was hit by the bad guys. They must have known it. It was a secret to Americans, but not the enemy. Duh.

      • threewickets says:

        No. It may have been made public in the hearings this week, not before the attack last month.

  28. angienc says:

  29. taw46 says:

    Chris Wallace: of all debates I’ve seen, never seen someone so dismissive of another, as Biden to Ryan.

  30. myiq2xu says:

    Judging these debates is subjective. If you are a RR supporter you will think Ryan won. If you at an OB supporter you will think Biden kicked ass.

    But the real question is what the undecideds think.

  31. yttik says:

    I really wish Biden had not said he was going to “level” the field for the middle class. I feel as if the field has been leveled enough and I’m now camped out in the rubble.

  32. Karma says:

    I guess the network cable polls are open….CNN’s is at the bottom of the page on the right. ‘Not scientific’…you can refresh the page and vote again….I checked.

    http://www.cnn.com/

  33. DeniseVB says:

    The Hammer coming up next.

  34. angienc says:

  35. lyn5 says:

    (testing)

  36. myiq2xu says:

    CNN focus group results:

    71% thought Biden did better than expected but Paul Ryan won.

  37. angienc says:

    CNN group: Paul Ryan wins on “better vision on future” Biden won on who “understands me better”
    Dead heat on who won overall — 1/3 Biden; 1/3 Ryan; 1/3 Neither

  38. DeniseVB says:

    Krauthammer: If you listened on radio or read the transcript, Biden won. If you watched on tv Biden lost big time.

    • DM says:

      Few listen to the radio now. Even in the car, I listen to my own music.

    • jeffhas says:

      I’m stuck in a car… Sounded like Biden was eating Ryan alive…. But after awhile the interruptions were causing me to yell at the radio (as I looked around, apparently I wasn’t the only one).

      Good to know the TV version plays differently.

      Thanks guys!

      • DM says:

        Biden was like Godzilla on a rampage, very disrespectful.

        • jeffhas says:

          Got home, saw in person, it comes off COMPLETELY different then on the radio.

          Seriously amazing.

          What a tool Biden is.

          WOW!… Who knew arrogance was contagious… ‘Cause he certainly seemed to catch a severe case of it from his boss.

  39. myiq2xu says:

    PJ Tatler:

    How to score this debate? Vice President Joe Biden was frequently irritating to the point of being obnoxious when he interrupted Ryan and even scolded Raddatz, demanding equal time when he consistently stayed a minute ahead on the talk clock. But he scored well when he went into compassionate voice mode. He never stepped on any landmines or dealt up any of the expected gaffes. Ryan held his own, but a time or two allowed the interruptions to halt him when he was about to make a good point. Raddatz learned the wrong lesson from the Jim Lehrer experience. The left accused Lehrer of allowing Romney to say too much. Raddatz consistently interrupted Ryan more often than Biden and consistently changed the subject just when it seemed Ryan would score. Ryan seemed to connect more often with the undecided voter, and never came across as undisciplined the way Biden came off more than once. Returing to the opening paragraph, Ryan presented himself as a knowledgeable and plausible vice president. Biden did far better than some expectations had set for him but did not, in my judgment, change the trajectory of the campaign. He did no real harm, but did not help appreciably either. The best he can hope for is that the poll slide his campaign has seen since the first debate will be slowed.

    Paul Ryan wins it, narrowly, more narrowly than expected. Vice President probably brought his best game, but his best is often off-putting and even rude.

    Update: A snap CNN poll finds that Ryan won 56% to 39% for Biden. Brit Hume, Joe Trippi (the Democrat operative) Greta Van Susteren and Chris Wallace all panned Biden’s demeanor. If the image of Biden as rude takes hold, then over the coming days he will end up farther trom his goal of helping his ticket recover from a bad week.

  40. angienc says:

  41. Constance says:

    I don’t see a winner. Ryan was NOT a hot head even though Biden was a jerk to him. Ryan knew his facts and had clearly thought about all the problems he was presented with. Biden….I don’t even know what he said as he was so busy sending contempt vibes. He also put the blame for team Obama’s Libya lies on Hillary’s state department. No one believes that. It seems to me that if you are lying and it becomes clear that no one believes your lies and your lies are in fact jeopardizing your credibility you should stop lying but instead the Obots are doubling down on the spontaneous demonstration lies.

  42. carol haka says:

    Luntz on fox

  43. swanspirit says:

    I wanted Ryan to say to Ratface LET ME FINISH !

    • He should have certainly addressed the rape/forcible rape line at the end. That was a major oversight, considering Biden just conflated Ryan–who never said any such thing–with Akins, who did.

      • Karma says:

        It was so creepy when Biden was talking about that in his weird compassionate voice…Ryan may have not wanted to. All I wanted was for Biden to stop talking on the whole thing.

  44. carol haka says:

    Palin up in a minute

  45. They pleased their respective bases, and that is the purpose of VP debates, after all.

  46. angienc says:

    Not one of the undecideds in Luntz group became a “decided” based on 2night’s debate unlike last week when Romney caused so many to pick him.
    So, no change but Biden at least made base happy.

  47. yttik says:

    Ryan won hands down. I’m telling you, that smirk and mocking laughter coming from Biden is not going to play well. To make matters worse, he wasn’t clear, he didn’t speak with clarity. You have to keep it short and simple. He rambled, changed the subject, threw out too many unrelated numbers, and did not come across as sincere.

    • Constance says:

      I am also sick of these stupid Democrat talking points like the 47% BS. and Biden seemed to be running down the list including the Libya lies. Does anyone remember Obama’s “Bitter small town people clinging to their guns and religion?”. It isn’t like we have the option of voting for a candidate who is gaff and insult free. I find the Bitter clingers comment more offensive than some vague 47% thing.

      • angienc says:

        I think Ryan’s response to that (re: “As the VP knows, sometimes the words just don’t come out of your mouth right”) was one of the highlights of the debate.

    • Simofish says:

      I’m in agreement here and your points further up.

    • trixta says:

      He seemed angry the whole time, and it was distracting from what he was saying.

    • westcoaster says:

      there were a few times that Biden looked like he forgot where he was or what he was going to say. That whole peace shtick just makes me sick. Obama is not the peace president.

  48. myiq2xu says:

    The Klown needs some “down time”.

    (As in face down)

    I’ll be back later.

  49. Lulu says:

    CNN post poll Ryan 48, Biden 44. CNN panel said it is a tie. Gergen said for a young challenger he did very well.

  50. Karma says:

    Palin up. Hannity notes that Biden wasn’t as disrespectful to Palin as he was to Ryan.

    She replies that Biden was sent in as the attack dog….and notes the format.

    • yttik says:

      Biden should have been more like he was with Palin. Where’s the fun loving, down homey, Biden we all know and love? This guy wasn’t an attack dog, he was an angry little chihuahua with a condescending attitude…towards the American people.

      • Karma says:

        Exactly. And just like Obama, Biden probably thinks he did a great job. When in reality he lost the plot on what was needed.

        **We have some of those angry chihuahuas with condescending attitudes next door. They think they are big dogs while they bare their teeth and get chesty with the fence. Lots of bluster and no substance.

  51. Karma says:

    Hannity says he can’t wait to get back to the FoxNews studio so they can montage Biden’s faces.

  52. wyntre says:

    More reactions

    Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway: “Joe Biden’s laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?”

    Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: “Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.”

    Radio host Neal Boortz: “Looking like Biden’s gameplan is to laugh his way through this.”

    Townhall.com’s Guy Benson: “Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?”

    MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.”

    Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard: “Can’t tell yet if Biden’s smirking, laughs,
    eye-rolling, head shaking, works for him or not against the oh-so-young looking eager Ryan.”

    Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: “Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gore’s sighs. He should knock it off.”

    Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: “Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.”

    ”Washington Times’ Emily Miller: “Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.”

  53. wyntre says:

    HA poster mapper has this – reaction from left bloggers. Very interesting.

    TIME’s Michael Scherer: “Not sure debate cameras have been light tested for Biden’s teeth. Best to watch with sunglasses.”

    NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.”

    BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???”

    ABC’s Rick Klein: “Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.”

    Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling”

    PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.”

    The New York Times’ Ashley Parker: “Biden’s grin is Chesire Cat caliber.”

    Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!”

    Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious”

    Comedy Central’s Indecision: “If this keeps up much longer, Joe Biden’s going to sprain his laugh muscle

    • threewickets says:

      The laughing didn’t bother me as much as the constant finger jabbing at Martha which he strangely never directed at Ryan.

  54. wmcb says:

  55. Oh, this is going to be fun, Labor Dept, threw California under the bus for the jobs report: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-with-jobless-claims-2012-10?op=1

    • DM says:

      There was an update to the story:

      UPDATE: In response to our story, California’s Employment Development Director issued a statement saying the state “has reported all UI claims data and submitted the date on time.” A spokesperson for the department also offered an alternative explanation for the drop in California’s unemployment claims: “Our weather has been unusually warm which has had some typical seasonal patterns in employment delayed.” The spokesperson also demanded a “retraction” of what the Labor Department analyst told us. We stand by our story.

      • Yeah, that was the purpose of my comment, actually. They objected to be thrown under the bus.

        • DM says:

          I see. I read after the report came out this from a CNBC article, and that’s why the market didn’t react:

          As Dow Jones reported: “A Labor Department economist said one large state didn’t report additional quarterly figures as expected, accounting for a substantial part of the decrease.”
          http://www.cnbc.com//id/49372827

    • DM says:

      The market didn’t react to the job claims because there was a state that was not included in the report, but it might not have been CA

  56. DM says:

    Biden’s responses were good, but his laugh made everything a joke. For that reason, he lost.

    • yttik says:

      I don’t think Biden’s responses were good. He got distracted, threw out too many numbers, and lost track of what he was talking about.

      • DM says:

        I think Biden did well. I just couldn’t take his laughing, his interruptions, and the pitch of his voice. I stopped watching the debate a half hour before it ended.

        • yttik says:

          I listened really carefully. I still can’t remember a thing Biden was clear about, a talking point, a phrase, something to stick in your mind. I can remember at least a dozen points Ryan made.

          That’s my measure of “doing well.” Will anything you say “stick?” In Biden’s case, no. All we’re going to remember is that gawd awful laugh.

  57. wmcb says:

    CNN also polled who was more likeable. Ryan won by 10 points.

  58. Who’s taking the bets on strategic intel community leaks in the next few days about the failure of Libya being with the admin and not them? I want to lay down $100…

  59. wmcb says:

  60. wyntre says:

    One thing the last two debates should have revealed to the voting public is that the current POTUS and VP are unhinged, insane and incapable of leading a country.

    One suffers from evil passive-aggressive daddy issues and the other is the epitome of the town drunk.

    By comparison R2 seems sober, sane and refreshingly competent.

  61. wmcb says:

    • DM says:

      Chicago, and maybe NYC will accept Biden’s rude behavior. I can’t think of any other place where his behavior will play well. The obots will like it because it was aggressive, but I don’t believe it will help with women and independents.

      • angienc says:

        Remember last week when pundits were saying Romney was “aggressive” and I was saying no, Romney was “assertive?”

        Well, tonight Biden demonstrated aggressive and why that’s a bad thing (as opposed to assertive, which is a good thing).

    • wmcb – Will you tell Admin I dropped a line yesterday. Can’t remember my login and would like them to check the mail.

      Thanks
      NormaDesmond

  62. yttik says:

    Biden was also rude to Martha. He stabbed his finger at her several times, accused her of something (“you too Martha..?”) and tried to claim she was going to give Ryan 40 seconds and him ten. It was incredibly disrespectful.

    • westcoaster says:

      I noticed that too. He got really angry with her, and was probably even more angry with Ryan, because he rarely looked at him when he was talking about him and in general.

    • trist says:

      Yeah, when Biden went off on her, I thought, man he’s attacking her now too??? And after all she’s done for him tonight? As many a kid on fat albert would say “no class”

  63. HELENK says:

    new RNC ad. they are fast

  64. tommy says:

    Never thought I’d say this bout crazy Joe, but that dude is tres creepy. He reminds me of a rabid dog. At all costs, gotta keep him away from the nuclear football.

    • yttik says:

      I think his calm, creepy voice towards the end was really disturbing. Now I’m going to go to bed and have nightmares about Joe Biden.

  65. DM says:

    I made a comment how Obama “mocks” Romney (see first comment last thread). This has been the pattern of Obama’s campaign, but today, Biden showed their disrespect of the opposition, and when voters see it, they don’t like it. I read somewhere (no link) that Obama felt it was beneath him to engage Romney.

    • DM says:

      I read somewhere (no link) that Obama felt it was beneath him to engage Romney in the first debate.

    • lyn5 says:

      Obama and Biden hate their opponents. That’s why they feel they can mock them with impunity. It may play to their base, but I hope we all vote those bastards out. Obama will do the same thing in the next two debates.

  66. yttik says:

    Scariest line in the whole debate was when Joe Biden snapped, I always mean what I say.

    • angienc says:

      Yep — so he does think Romney wants to put AAs “back in chains” and that you need an Indian accent to go into a 7/11 in Delaware.

      Good one, Joe.

  67. trist says:

    Pretty telling that all of the big 3’s were focused on Biden’s smiling right after the debate, no matter who they thought actually won. I guess that will be the biggest take away from tonight. Which I doubt really helps, or hurts either campaign. I give the best and really only zinger of the night to Ryan for the what comes out of your mouth comment. Which will get lost to Joe’s smiling meme I’m sure.

    At best I’d say a tie, or slight edge to Biden, just because he was dominating so much of the time. Yes, it was rude and irritating, and there’ll be plenty who are turned off by it, but he did keep Ryan from shining like he probably could have by constantly cutting him off. So it was effective. Ryan didn’t have to stoop to the same level, but he should have been much more assertive.

    And yeah, the Mod, was screwing over Ryan, she needs to get called on that.

    Overall the debate was a snooze though, I had to resort to popcorn and a turkey sandwich just to get through it. Any longer and there woulda been a grilled cheese in there too! And I almost never eat after 7pm.

    BTW was Ryan playing the drinking game too? The way he kept reaching for that glass he must have hit every trigger phrase from Biden 15 times over!

    • angienc says:

      Overall the debate was a snooze though, I had to resort to popcorn and a turkey sandwich just to get through it. Any longer and there woulda been a grilled cheese in there too! And I almost never eat after 7pm.

      I’m so with you on that (I didn’t get something to eat though) — but I *almost* flipped the channel about half way through — so can you imagine what happened to the “casuals?” No way this debate ended with anywhere near the same number of “casuals” watching as when it started.

      • DM says:

        Angienc, I’ve watched most debates since Carter and never turned away, but I ended this debate after an hour with: “That’s all I can stands; I can’t stands no more.” Biden was the most irritating debater ever.

        • trist says:

          Thank goodness this happened on a Thurs. as I can’t imagine the media could get more than one day’s worth of coverage out of it. And that’s only if something else bigger doesn’t happen tomorrow. Like the truth on Libya, Elvis’ corps rises from the gave to announce even he isn’t voting democrat this time, a cat gets stuck in tree, ect…

      • Constance says:

        My husband walked out on the debate at the hour mark because Ryan kept getting cut off, I stayed and forced myself to watch all of it. In fact my husband isn’t home yet so he must be really disgusted and having a few beers. Fortunately he didn’t drive. Last time this happened he lost the car.

  68. DM says:

    I hope the embedding works

  69. DM says:

  70. westcoaster says:

    this cartoon turned out to be true: (Biden the clown tossing pies at Ryan)
    http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2012/10/11/104135

  71. DM says:

    Note that the margin of error is +-5, which means the sample is only about 500.

    • DM says:

      This poll is exactly what I expected, a small edge to Ryan.

    • DM says:

      The sample was smaller, only 381

      The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International, with 381 registered voters nationwide who watched the debate questioned by telephone. All interviews were conducted after the end of the debate. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus five percentage points.

      http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/

    • trist says:

      I’m glad that people perceive Ryan as the winner. Be interesting to see if the polls reflect it at all before next Tues. Even if the polls do move, hard to know if it’s directly attributable to the debate though. As they apparently have been moving towards Romney ever since his debate anyway. Unless the start moving away from Romney. Yeah, like that’s gonna happen!

      Which I still don’t get these undecideds though. They’ve had 4 years to make up their minds on what we have and whether or not they want to keep it. So I don’t believe this has anything to do with the one, It’s all on Romney. Which in itself is fairly easy. Stay like this, or change it. And they really shouldn’t need 2 more debates to figure it out. Again we’ve had 4 fucking years of painful data to come to that determination. The only thing I can gather these people are deciding is if they feel like being bothered to take time out of their busy schedule to go and vote for the other guy. ‘Cause they already know they ain’t voting for the bozo we got.

  72. DM says:

    More on the CNN poll

    Half of all debate watchers questioned in the poll said the showdown didn’t make them more likely to vote for either of the candidates’ bosses, 28% said the debate made them more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and 21% said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect President Barack Obama.

    According to the survey, 55% said that the vice president did better than expected, with 51% saying that the congressman from Wisconsin performed better than expected.

    By a 50%-41% margin, debate watchers say that Ryan rather than Biden better expressed himself.

    Seven in ten said Biden was seen as spending more time attacking his opponent, and that may be a contributing factor in Ryan’s 53%-43% advantage on being more likable. Ryan also had a slight advantage on being more in touch with the problems of average Americans.

    One of the top jobs for the candidates in a vice presidential debate is to convince Americans that they would be able to step into the top job if something happened to the president. The poll indicates that both men were seen as qualified to be president if necessary, by roughly equal numbers.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/

  73. Karma says:

    Lots of good photos from the debate, shows stills from Romney and Obama watching, and that weird close up of Ryan and Biden on Drudge right now. It’s Biden’s mean face I guess.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216480/U-S-vice-presidential-debate-2012-Joe-Biden-Paul-Ryan-debate-Danville-Kentucky.html

    • DM says:

      Ryan is very likable.

      • Karma says:

        I agree. And frankly wouldn’t worry about Ryan representing America with world leaders.

        While letting Biden loose on the world stage is a whole different matter. It’s probably a good thing that most of the world leaders seemed to be dropping dead when George H W Bush was VP. Could you imagine smiling Biden representing us at another country’s state funeral?

  74. threewickets says:

    Think lot of people who don’t follow politics closely saw Ryan for the first time in more than sound bite form. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him on issues, he comes across as being competent. I’m seeing that in my feeds.

  75. Constance says:

    You know I am starting to think that a lot of what I thought was team Obama sexism against Hillary and Palin in 2008 was actually just regular arrogant contempt because I am seeing the same old shit tonight from Biden directed at Ryan. Also thinking the American public is stupid enough to buy the “random demonstration against a hateful video” excuse for Libya is pretty arrogant. Granted the Corporate Media is for the most part stupid enough to buy it but not regular American people.

  76. pipermn says:

    As usual obama sends out biden to do his bidding, pretending to stay above the fray and act present-ial. Yes he praised his crazy uncle for his performance while secretly laughing and deriding him to Val. biden’s crazy behavior overshadowed any cogent remarks that he might have made, and this night will come back to haunt him when he tries to run again for prez.

    Late here so will write more tomorrow.

  77. DM says:

    Set to music, the link below has the best laughing-joe video I’ve seen.
    I wish I could embed just the video, but it didn’t work.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-12/dash-hair-transplant-and-just-add-laughter

    • trist says:

      It is pretty funny. people kept saying to tune in to maybe catch another crazy joe gaffe. Well people are talking but it has nothing to do with what he said. So I guess he got the last laugh! Ba-dump bump!

      BTW that vid reminds me we haven’t had a good one from jib jab in years. I guess they weren’t about to touch the one, and who could blame them. We don’t know where all he’s been. But maybe this year they’ll give us something, lord knows they’ve got enough material!

  78. Erica says:

    Interesting that Biden didn’t thank Ryan at the end, a faux pas for sure, and Ryan capitalized on that. I thought Biden’s closing statement was paternalistic, and Ryan’s more persuasive. Ryan also sold Romney better and said straight up they want to earn votes and why.

  79. DM says:

    Here is the link to the CBS-Gfk poll, 431 sample.
    The problem with this poll is that it selected “undecided”. Polls are best when the selection is totally random. That’s why this poll is a bad poll, imho. You can read all about it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57531059/poll-biden-takes-debate-over-ryan-uncommitted-voters-say/?pageNum=2&tag=page

  80. westcoaster says:

    one word- sabotage. it’s the loser’s best friend.

  81. tommy says:

    The narrative has been set that Biden won big. CNN admits that it oversampled repubs. CBS is seen as the more credible poll cos they sampled only undecided voters. Lets see if there is any swing in the needle.

  82. Lulu says:

    Biden showed the active side of the Obama campaign after Obama showed the passive one. The campaign and administration is about contempt. They hold their challengers as well as the entire country in contempt. Obama was sullen, disinterested, vacant because he did not think he should have to go to tryouts because he already has the job and no one should question his handling of it. Biden was the aggressive, loud, unhinged, shouting shut up side of it. Both sneered. There is no good side to this administration. There is no good case to be made, nor a way to make a honest human connection. They are condescending, hectoring, supercilious and nasty. Anyone who supports this abuse is used to being abused. The welfare of the American people never enters their wretched heads.

  83. gxm17 says:

    Totally OT. I rarely come in to work this early but as a drove in I got to see a beautiful sight across the Potomac River. The monuments were lit up against the wakening sky. Took my breath away. Just gorgeous.

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