The New New Civility – Why Vile Progs Must Be Defeated

Some times two posts were meant for each other.

Jonathan S. Toobin at Commentary:

Why Dems Loved Biden’s Boorish Behavior

The morning after the vice presidential debate, Democrats are delighted. Vice President Joe Biden’s obnoxious display was exactly what was needed to cheer them up after a week of morose speculation about why President Obama was so passive and uninspired at last week’s first presidential debate with Mitt Romney. Indeed, the more Biden giggled, smirked and interrupted Paul Ryan, the better they liked it. While his condescending and bullying behavior contradicted liberal doctrine about conservatives being the ones guilty of polluting the public square with political incivility, it embodied their complete contempt for both Republicans and their ideas. Biden’s nastiness may have re-invigorated a Democratic base that wanted nothing so much as to tell their opponents to shut up, even if it may have also alienated a great many independents. But with the main focus of the election still on the remaining two presidential debates, it’s not clear that President Obama can profit from Biden’s example.

The reason for this is not very complicated. The Democrats cheering on Biden’s bullying, while ignoring the fact that he had nothing to offer on the future of entitlements and his disgraceful alibis about Libya, did so because at bottom they really do not feel Republicans or conservatives are worthy of respect or decency. Though they rarely own up to it, they don’t think Republicans are so much wrong as they are bad. By contrast, most Republicans think Democrats are wrong, not evil. Ryan, whose polite behavior was entirely proper but was made to appear passive and even weak when compared to his bloviating opponent, demonstrated this paradigm by patiently trying to explain his positions even when he was constantly interrupted.

Hard-core Democrats would have been happy had Obama treated Romney the same way Biden did Ryan (some even falsely claim that Romney behaved in a similar manner to Biden), and there were plenty of signs that he shares his number two’s contempt for the opposition. But while a vice president, especially one who has often been treated as something of a national joke during his four years in office, might be allowed to get away with playing the buffoon, a president cannot. That means next week the president will have to again behave like a grown up. Given the town hall meeting format at the Hofstra University debate, it will be even more important for him to be as civil as Biden was rude. If, as is very likely, Romney again gives a strong performance and doesn’t allow himself to be run roughshod over (as perhaps Ryan did at times), then the odds are Democrats will again be unhappy with their leader’s showing.

The problem here is not just that presidents and would-be commanders-in-chief must appear presidential. It is that the liberal base of the president’s party is so filled with anger and contempt for Republicans that they can’t abide even a show of civility from their champions.

Democrats wouldn’t behave like that, would they?

They not only behave that way, they take pride in it.

John Cole at Buffoon Juice:

Maybe it is just me, but all the doom and gloom of the past two weeks on the blogs I regularly read that picked up after the Obama debate seems to have completely subsided since Joe Biden slapped around America’s greatest bullshit artist, Paul Ryan. Maybe I am alone on this, but it sure feels like Biden did everything he needed. Fired up the base, exposed bullshit lies as bullshit lies, went after Romney at every chance, and at long last showed contempt for the contemptible ideas Republicans are pushing. This was Josh Marshall’s bitch slap theory of politics in action.

Way to go, Joe.

Back in the real world, the White House spent most of Friday walking back some of the numerous inaccuracies and misstatements uttered by Joe Biden during the debate. Meanwhile, the general (but not unanimous) consensus seems to be that Joe Biden behaved in a manner commonly known as an “asshole.”

But wait! There’s more!

From the comments at Buffoon Juice:

Joe threw a perfect game, hit a grand slam home run every time up, touched all the bases, and left the field like a gladiator who smiled and laughed because he was glad he ate the lion, the Christians, and everyone in the stands – including the Emperors of the MSM.

And then kicked the game winning field goal, had a hat-trick, drained a trey – all while wearing the yellow shirt the entire race, and leaving Ussein Bolt in his wake in the 100 Meter Dash.

And, he ate all his low-fat protein, spinach, and fruit.

Not a bad night!

We’re in a battle of the hearts and minds of Americans, with the entire lazy MSM, the Republican puke funnel and all of the propaganda machinery the Kochs and their ilk can employ against us. We have the truth and the ability to ridicule on our side, and it needs to be fully deployed. As terrifying as it is, the half-wits who will decide this election will be swayed by the winning/losing narrative, and the Dems need to hone the message into easily digestible sound bites for them for the next three weeks. No one wants to vote for a punch line loser. Obama needs to deliver the knock out takeaway meme at the next debate, and we’re just the ones who can do it.

Unfortunately I think all the people who think it is going to make a difference are grasping at straws. Then again I didn’t think the Presidential debate was going to make a difference.

The difference is that the MSM all collectively decided they were going to make the presidential debate about “Obama’s failure” because the guy has been damn near perfect in every way in the campaign till now. He did just fine but I was surprised how many people on the left bought into it as well. With the Biden debate he basically threw it right back at them and the MSM is just calling it a

How distorted is your grasp of reality when you think the mainstream media is against Barack Obama?

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78 Responses to The New New Civility – Why Vile Progs Must Be Defeated

  1. myiq2xu says:

    The really sad part is the Vile Progs had won – from 2009-2010 they could do whatever they wanted – and they wasted it on Obamacare and the special interest bailout (aka “the stimulus”).

  2. or even “damned near perfect” blech!!

    That tinfoil crowd really ruined everything. Can’t wait for their comeuppance on Nov. 6. I’m gonna vote early next week.—can’t wait to vote against Obama one more time.

    It amazes me here in Columbus OH how few Obama signs are out as compared to 2008. And there are probably more romney signs than Obama signs. AND the Obama signs are lame—–the print is small and you can hardly read them.

    One more thing. The kind of work I do puts me into people’s homes all of the time, and most people have the TV on in the background. In 100% of the cases this week, every time a political ad came on, everyone groaned and turned off the volume and said more or less that they couldn’t abide this election and its ads and tomorrow wouldn’t be too soon for it all to be over. Normally people don’t talk politics when I’m around. I’ve never seen such a thing here in Ohio this far out. It started up a few weeks ago. Everyone feels that the campaign money is being wasted.

    Romney’s ads here are now predominatly him talking straight into the camera. He looks great and is probably having a positive impact all the same. .

    • SYD says:

      Here is Cincy, I see plenty of pro-Dem yard signs. All down ticket. Obama signs conspicuously absent. I have also noticed some cars that have typical Liberal bumper stickers on them…. but no Obama/ Biden. If these people are voting for Obie, they don’t want their friends to know it.

      My son at IU is voting Jill Stein. (He voted Obama in 2008.)

    • myiq2xu says:

      I am really glad I don’t live in a swing state.

    • trist says:

      When you say “vote early” do you mean go the polls early or via absentee ballot? “Cause honestly, if I lived in a hotbed swing state like OH I don’t think I’d want to head to the polls on election day.
      I just remember all the accounts we got from ’08 about what the Obama supporters were doing to intimidate and out right drive the people they knew weren’t going to vote for him away from the polls. And I don’t want to think about what they will try this time. Knowing it’s his and their last hooray. And with every passing week seeing more signs of a pending defeat appear, I think their rage and need to express it going to explode on that day.

      I also cannot wait for this to all be over so we can FINALLY move beyond “obama’s america” I just hope it doesn’t take bloodshed for it to happen.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I really don’t think it matters what Obama does in the next two debates. If people tune in and see Romney being the confident, competent alpha male they saw in the first debate, the preference cascade will start picking up speed.

      • The preference cascade has already picked up quite a bit of speed.

      • agreed.

        Was typing on my iphone with one eye open earlier so i botched my comment.

        I meant to say that yesterday’s polling and the post by Nate Silver late last night on 538 have shocked obot nation speechless. Eight hours later there were only 2 comments on the 538 post. And as you may as well have predicted above, both were bitter angry insults to the intelligence of anyone who is not an obot.

        this is so tray tray amusing.

        Mitt Romney’s academic credentials, merely these on their own, blow obama’s so far out of the water it almost feels unsporting to bring them up. But, what the heck, I will anyway.

        Romney: attended Stanford, went on 30-month mormon mission to France where he took over leadership after tragic accident killed mission leader (Romney was 19 years old at the time); returned US and graduated with the highest possible honors from BYU with a degree in English Lit; addressed his department and the University at commencement; Father advised law degree but Mitt wanted Business degree so he did both, at Harvard. At the SAME TIME. Graduated in top 5% of HBS (obviously extremely rare even for those who are only doing the MBA) as well as magna cum laude from Harvard Law.

        Koolaid is a HELLUVA drug.

        • myiq2xu says:

          Mitt was badly injured in that accident. The cops initially thought he was dead and he was comatose for several days.

          As leader of the Mormon mission his team exceeded their goals.

        • myiq2xu says:

          Romney speaks Frog too:

        • His mother wrote that she KNEW he was alive when she was told about the accident. This was 1966 — before cell phones and even voicemail (or as we used to call them, answering machines), so it took an agonizingly long time for her to learn the truth.

          This is the same mother (devout Mormon married to another devout Mormon) who ran for congress in 1967 with the full support of her husband and children. Mitt was a de facto first mate who accompanied her all around the state. He visited each of Michigans 83 counties during his mother’s campaign. She lost her bid but won her son’s undying admiration. (Can you tell I’m a fan of Lenore Romney?).

          She was also a successful actress in NYC for a time in her youth.

          She also was invited to join a hoity toity Michigan womens club but refused unless the club changed its policy to allow black women as members. They changed their policy. It may seem like a small-ish thing, but Lenore Romney did more actual, groundbreaking work for women and African American women specifically than Michelle or hell even Barack Obama ever did.

          You dont grow up with a mother like that, who was universally beloved by her entire family, and end up a woman hating patriarchal misogynist.

          On the other hand, let me tell you about Stanley Ann and Stanley Armour Dunham now . . .

        • trist says:

          “She also was invited to join a hoity toity Michigan womens club but refused unless the club changed its policy to allow black women as members. They changed their policy. It may seem like a small-ish thing, but Lenore Romney did more actual, groundbreaking work for women and African American women specifically than Michelle or hell even Barack Obama ever did.”

          Wow I did not know that. While I don’t think I’ll ever call myself a Mitt supporter, lately (particularly) since the first debate, I’m warming up to the idea of him as Pres.
          I actually remember upon announcing Ryan as his running mate a lot of people were concerned that Ryan would upstage Mitt on personality issues. But I actually find that I like Mitt far more the Ryan. So something’s definitely changing/improving here!

        • angienc says:

          Trista — I totally agree — I’m in a swing state & knew I was going to vote for Romney (not 3rd party) as my “Vote Obama Out” strategy, but the more I’ve seen of Mitt, the more I’m liking him & starting to vote FOR him rather than just AGAINST Obama. I’m really thinking Romney will be a *good* POTUS. Heck, at least we know that if an ambassador is killed in a terrorist attack in the ME the MSM will be covering it in a Romney administration — that’s already better than what the Obama administration has given us. And I also find Mitt to be much more likeable than Ryan, who comes across as overly earnest & rehearsed, IMO.

          For example, when Biden interrupted Ryan during the debate re: the stimulus cronyinsm saying “He sent me two letters asking for stimulus money for his constituents” Ryan should have said “I’m not arguing that the stimulus could not have possibly worked if it had actually gone to “shovel ready jobs” as we were told it would, and which were the kind of the jobs for which I lobbied on behalf of my constituents. I’m saying that instead the money went to Obama campaign contributors such as Solyndra, which went bankrupt, or Fisker, which used it to make cars in Finland.” Which, btw, *was* Ryan’s point about the stimulus — Biden’s interruption had nothing to do with that point. But Ryan didn’t say that because he didn’t rehearse that, it seems to me.

          Mitt is far more genuine, IMO, and can think more quickly on his feet (for example — something like the above would have been Mitt’s response to Biden). I am, however, a Romney supporter at this point because his ideas about the economy make sense to me — I’ve probably always been more “centrist” these last few years than I realized (but having the vile progs & OWS taking over the left wing of the Dem party has made more apparent, as a lot of their ideas are antithetical to my core beliefs. For one example I don’t agree with morons who characterize “hate speech” as speech that “hurts feelings” and thus doesn’t qualify for protection).

        • trist says:

          yes angienc, I agree about Ryan during the debate. He was just too over rehearsed. I counted 3 times where he delivered the exact same talking point the exact same way. Trying to get your point across is one thing, but it needs to feel more natural. Not just as if you’re reading from a script and aren’t confident enough to convey the ideas in your own words.
          After the debate my biggest impression was, thank goodness both of them are on the bottom of the ticket. Ryan could be a good Pres. some day, the potential is there, but he needs much on the job training. And Biden…the sooner we can get him away from ever having that top spot the better!!!

  3. carol haka says:

    How far we have all come!! Yesterday the Klown is declaring he is going back to church, and today he is quoting scripture! 🙂 The only reason Obama “won” is because of the most fraudulent marketing scheme in history. The people I am talking to are outraged their time was wasted when they tuned into this fiasco. They wanted to hear what Ryan had to say, not watch some rude asshole. 👿 The morons in those articles have a perverse idea of reality and I really don’t get what the prize is in their endgame. 👿

  4. carol haka says:

    Huckabee: “We’ve seen a lot of smokeblowing, now I think we are going start seeing whistleblowing.”

  5. yttik says:

    “…they really do not feel Republicans or conservatives are worthy of respect or decency. Though they rarely own up to it, they don’t think Republicans are so much wrong as they are bad…”

    Isn’t that the truth? But I don’t think they “rarely own up to it,” they actually pretty blatantly promote this idea that it’s okay to hate and dehumanize anybody who disagrees or even questions them.

    • Lulu says:

      This is authoritarianism 101. Dehumanize the opposition so any crime is OK. There are no victims to their crimes because they are not human. This is really sick shit and they need to be exposed.

    • Constance says:

      Well that means they don’t respect our political system then. Clearly the vile progs would prefer to be our dictators.

  6. Pips says:

    I’m still totally baffled watching pundits and Democrats alike praise Joe Biden’s ‘performance’!

    He’s the next in line to the most powerful position in the world, and he shows the world – and let’s not forget: children! – that it’s ok to bully! And is being cheered while and after doing it!


  7. Mary says:

    Biden sat at that table and blatantly LIED to the American people when he said he had voted against both of “those wars” Ryan & his people had put on the credit card.

    A great big gob-smacking flat out LIE. He voted for both, and enthusiastically supported them.

    He made a total fool of himself. Period.

  8. Pips says:

    Foreign correspondent to Biden’s son after the debate:

    Q: “Did he grin too much?”

    Biden jr.: “I never get mad at my dad for smiling.” [Big teethy grin.]

    Q: “Why did he grin so much?”

    Biden jr.: “Because he was having a good time. He was having a good time.” [Yet another big teethy grin.]

    Q: ” A lot of people found that arrogant towards Congressman Ryan.”

    Biden jr.: “Well I didn’t. It told me he was having a good time up there. He enjoyed it.”
    And adding, while playing coy: “I enjoyed watching it too.”


    [Democrats] really do not feel Republicans or conservatives are worthy of respect or decency. Though they rarely own up to it, they don’t think Republicans are so much wrong as they are bad

    seems to explain it.

    But how sad is that. 😦

  9. myiq2xu says:

    Matt Taibbi:

    I’ve never thought much of Joe Biden. But man, did he get it right in last night’s debate, and not just because he walloped sniveling little Paul Ryan on the facts. What he got absolutely right, despite what you might read this morning (many outlets are criticizing Biden’s dramatic excesses), was his tone. Biden did absolutely roll his eyes, snort, laugh derisively and throw his hands up in the air whenever Ryan trotted out his little beady-eyed BS-isms.

    But he should have! He was absolutely right to be doing it. We all should be doing it. That includes all of us in the media, and not just paid obnoxious-opinion-merchants like me, but so-called “objective” news reporters as well. We should all be rolling our eyes, and scoffing and saying, “Come back when you’re serious.”

    The proper way to report such a tactic is to bring to your coverage exactly the feeling that Biden brought to the debate last night: contempt and amazement. We in the press should be offended by what Romney and Ryan are doing – we should take professional offense that any politician would try to whisk such a gigantic lie past us to our audiences, and we should take patriotic offense that anyone is trying to seize the White House using such transparently childish and dishonest tactics.

    • yttik says:

      “….We all should be doing it. That includes all of us in the media, and not just paid obnoxious-opinion-merchants like me, but so-called “objective” news reporters as well. We should all be rolling our eyes, and scoffing and saying, “Come back when you’re serious…..”

      Yes, that’s a real problem in this country right now. We have too many “objective” people in the media.

      Give me a break.

      I don’t want to hear one single word about how we have to prevent bullying in our schools. Not one single word! It’s no wonder to me that kids are learning these things, our leaders, our media, are teaching them that it’s okay to be an asshole, in fact it’s desirable.

  10. I am grinning and laughing like crazy old joe this morning. Almost 12 hours later and there are still only 2 comments on 538.

    Until last week that was the “smart” obot’s hangout. Nate Silver is considered pretty damn non-partisan and a just the facts ma’am typea guy. Until the debate he was predicting an 85% chance of an obama win. Now it’s down to 61%

    The polling for obama since the debate is DEVASTATING. It’s literally unprecedented.

    obama will still be so shell shocked on Tuesday that I am expecting a repeat of the first debate, featuring a knock out from Romney against Pres Uh-Bama.

  11. wmcb says:

    The vile progs are sick. It is amazing how many conservatives or Indies I read who left the Left primarily because it turned their stomach how hateful, authoritarian, and Lord of the Flies these people are.

    The longer he is gone, the more I appreciate Andrew Breitbart. Yes, he was a showboat who went for shock value. But he understood better than most, perhaps because he worked starting HuffPo, was entrenched in the LA scene, how the vile progs and media lapdogs control the cultural narrative. Their weapon is not arguing issues, their weapon is ridiculing and SILENCING, either through bullying or shaming, those who dare disagree. And until we stop that, the issues are not even going to be discussed – it’s just going to be “Shut up you neanderthals, and eat your peas.”

    I’m fighting now. I’m tearing down that narrative. Not because I agree with cons on all things, but because I’m sick of STFU. I want the arguments to be had. WAR.


      • myiq2xu says:

        Martin Bashir is a dick dishonest hack.

        • Lulu says:

          He is also a really strange little dude. I am amazed at just how odd and misfit-like most of the Obama army are. They are the kids who sweat too much, eat buggers, and fall off the monkey bars in grade school. They never got over it.

    • angienc says:


    • yttik says:

      This is a struggle we will win. Negativity, hate, and divisiveness are not winning strategies.

      Joe Biden for example, was able to interrupt, lie, and bully his way through the debate, convincing himself and a few followers that he won the argument, but really he lost the whole war. Biden self destructed to the sound of his own mockery and I think polls are going to start to reflect this in a few days.

    • trist says:

      “It is amazing how many conservatives or Indies I read who left the Left primarily because it turned their stomach how hateful, authoritarian, and Lord of the Flies these people are.”

      Count me in that group, A newly registered Indy, who is sickened by what’s happened to the Dem party. But even if they have an epiphany and completely reform/redeem themselves I will never go back. No party will ever think they own or are entitled to my vote again.

      • Erica says:

        I’ve kept my Dem registration because I wanted to get mailers, phone calls, etc. I wanted to have them call so I could tell them what I thought of the party after 2008. But now I’m considering changing my reg to independent, because I’d like them to see, right now, that they are failing. And maybe some Dems who were not part of the take-over of the party will catch a clue and get Obama, and the creeps he rode in on, out of office, and out of party.

        • trist says:

          The one consideration I had about re-registering was that in this state you can’t vote in either party’s primary if you’re Indy. But I just couldn’t be part of that party anymore. And if they’re now permanently a party who will steal the votes of their own members to push through the pre-chosen candidate, then really, what’s the point of voting in a primary anyway?

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  14. threewickets says:

    This is a fun read. Staggering Idiocy: Panicky progressives struggle for reasons to support Obama.

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  16. tommy says:

    The key to this race is Ohio. Most of the swing states are turning to Romney but Ohio remains O’s firewall. A shift there towards Romney would be pivotal to this race. R is holding on to a tenously small lead at the RCP average.

  17. wmcb says:

    • angienc says:

      New Steyn article at NRO covers this (although he doesn’t excuse Hillary either):

      To “politicize” means “to give a political character to.” It is a reductive term, capturing the peculiarly shrunken horizons of politics: “Gee, they nuked Israel. D’you think that will hurt us in Florida?” So media outlets fret that Benghazi could be “bad” for Obama — by which they mean he might be hitting the six-figure lecture circuit four years ahead of schedule. But for Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, and Tyrone Woods, it’s real bad. They’re dead, over, gonesville. Given that Obama and Secretary Clinton refer to Stevens pneumatically as “Chris,” as if they’ve known him since third grade, why would they dishonor the sacrifice of their close personal friend by peddling an utterly false narrative as to why he died? You want “politicization”? Secretary Clinton linked the YouTube video to the murder of her colleagues even as the four caskets lay alongside her at Andrews Air Force Base — even though she had known for days that it had nothing to do with it. It’s weird enough that politicians now give campaign speeches to returning coffins. But to conscript your “friend”’s corpse as a straight man for some third-rate electoral opportunism is surely as shriveled and worthless as “politicization” gets.

  18. gxm17 says:

    ““…they really do not feel Republicans or conservatives are worthy of respect or decency.”

    And women too. Can’t count the times a “fellow” Democrat called me the c-word in 2008. But a Republican, never. The vile progs scorched earth policy is going to leave them high and dry in future elections because they are not getting my vote back and I would imagine I’m not the only woman who feels this way.

  19. HELENK says:

    democrats upset with billboards warning against voter fraud. WHY??

    • DandyTiger says:

      You know, because it never happens, so it’s evil to suggest it happens, when it never, never does. Or something. Because shut up that’s why. 🙂

  20. HELENK says:

    I guess they think it is too late for the clintons to hurt backtrack.
    here comes the bus for Hillary

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  22. HELENK says:

    something to think about. how many liberals will talk the talk, but vote quietly for the other side??

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  24. HELENK says:

    Halloween is coming to the white house

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