Open Thread – The curse of the second term (per NYT)

Not that I wish ill on Obama,  I’m just hoping his “curse” won’t include the words stupid and red button.  I know one thing’s for sure, his second term ain’t gonna be as fun for him as his first.    Campaign mode/off.

Read the full article here.   And a snip:

 Even a narrow victory can create overconfidence. In 2004, George W. Bush won 50.7 percent of the vote, which was no landslide (even compared with his 48.3 percent share four years earlier). But he treated the victory as a huge mandate, and plunged ahead with a plan to privatize Social Securityin 2005, as he had promised during his re-election campaign.

But the Social Security plan went nowhere. Republicans cringed, and Democrats eagerly united in opposition.

Now that’s what I’m talking about, uniting in opposition  😀   But not sure for which team yet?

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127 Responses to Open Thread – The curse of the second term (per NYT)

  1. DeniseVB says:

    As the new kid on the cyberblock, trying not to step on the truly gifted bloggers here. Just trying to add more cowbell while we work out our grief process, as in, Denial to Murder <—-not really Agent Mike, back off. This does push Oswald's No Mandates a touch further. Keep on keeping on… all my political activist life, I've never been so confuzzled as this election's results.

    I'll try and keep some OT posts qued up on TCH's ondeck circle on the dashboard. I have one there for the morning guys now.

  2. thanks DeniseVB. I am SICK of the second term already…………………..

  3. carol haka says:

    Obama apologized to the Iranians today for wasting their bullets when they attempted to shoot down an American Drone. 👿

  4. cj says:

    I think there’s a better chance that his administration will implode in on itself. Obama will just circumvent any opposition with exec. orders but he can’t brush the problems with the looming fiscal crisis, or sequestration, or trying to get Obamacare off & running in a year, under the rug.

    And I think he’s going to have a real problem with pitting federal agencies against each other to cover his ass. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some major internal wars erupting in this term.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’m still confused on Executive Order and Executive Privlege. It’s like the Founding Fathers forgot the “special needs” kids as President ?

      Disclaimer: I have a “special needs” kid, almost 40, his prognosis at birth was ” I dunno”. I. Am.Mad.Lucky.Blessed.

      • cj says:

        Isn’t there an amendment that exempts part-time constitutional lecturers from actually abiding by the document they pontificate about? I’m confused too.

        And Denise, you don’t need any disclaimers, I know your heart is always in the right place.

    • I wish they would let the fiscal cliff stand. Just bring the whole thing down. The quicker people realize how serious this shit, the quicker they will wake up from apathy and denial.

      • angienc says:

        I agree — all of us here would be able to survive it –the morons who supported Obama are the ones incapable of taking care of themselves and would therefore suffer the most.

        LET IT BURN.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Those “people” actually believe as long as gov’t. printing presses work there will be no money shortage. And they have 4 year degrees. And know how to spell. U n b e l i e v a b l e !

  5. lyn5 says:

    I changed my voter registration today to “Other” and wrote “Country B4 Party.”

  6. Lulu says:

    It sounds like they are just lowering expectations for Bronco. If he is expected to be an enormous dud in his second term he will be doing what everyone expects which is nothing. I’m sure the NYT will eventually be explaining that we have to go backwards because anything else would be unfair and probably racist.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think the NYT will put some pressure on Teh Won Part Deux. As I recall, the drool bucket media will turn on the second term. And so will SNL. Ratings and Subscriptions baby 😉

  7. carol haka says:

    Rod Blago is getting out of jail. 👿 Seriously, why would anyone think he was gonna sing on Bronco Hussein? 👿

      • Lulu says:

        Is he on parole or did he serve out? If he is paroled he has to zip it or go back in. Is he going to be an evangelist now like all the other famous political crook? I’ve never heard of a Polish evangelist from Chicago.

        • carol haka says:

          No. I think he had 18 or 30 years. Looks like Obama bought his silence. Too bad for rezko – he voted for romney so Bronco would be able to give him a pardon. I bet bronco is probably getting ready to have a really big prison break which includes the blind sheik. 👿

        • Jadzia says:

          As much as I hate to admit it, being one of his tribe — Blago is about as Serb as one can be. We haven’t had a public figure to be proud of since Karl Malden. : (

  8. carol haka says:

    Rod Blago is getting out of jail. 👿 Seriously, why would anyone think he was gonna sing on Bronco Hussein? 👿 yawoooozooo babe

  9. yttik says:

    Washington doesn’t even have a governor yet. He will probably be the Dem, but we haven’t even finished counting ballots. My county has nearly 30% of our ballots still to count and won’t be done until tomorrow.

    I’m really tired of us basing our elections on predictions and media speculation. Half the time a state isn’t even finished voting yet and the polls are still open and they call an election. I don’t like that one bit. Our elections should be based on ballots, not speculation.

    Florida is a bloody nightmare, but they really aren’t alone. The media expects the results within minutes but it often takes days and even weeks to get all the ballots counted and certified.

  10. wyntre says:

    My rant of the month.

    I don’t blame Romney. I thought he was an excellent candidate.

    I blame the POS and his staffers for rigging the voting machines. And then I blame the a$$hats who voted for 4 more years of the incompetent vile nasty destructive narcissitic pos.

    After that I blame Chris Christy for his backstabbing intervention to help save Mr. Affirmative Action’s a$$.

    And then I blame the media, BC, minorities intent on getting their “revenge” against whites and whites who did not get off their butts to vote.

    At this point, with all other racial/minority groups coalescing to form a united front it’s about d@mn time whites did the same. It’s like there’s a racial deathwish among some whites. We are the only group that voted in balanced numbers for the two candidates, I believe it was 39% for the pos and 61% for Mitt.

    All other groups voted lockstep for melanin. Blacks voted 99% for the POS and Hispanics voted over 70% for him.

    It seems the POS was successful in the strategy of suppressing white turnout but whites have only themselves to blame for that.

    As for me I will never again support minority positions on anything. Screw them. I am headed toward white solidarity. It was never my first inclination but at this point it is perfectly clear the pos and his supporters aim to take out the white population.

    I am not mincing words or trying for a more subdued analysis. I am calling what’s going on what it is. An attempt to overturn and destroy a country built primarily by white people which, in an attempt to become inclusive has sparked its own downfall.

    It is war.

    And, BTW, the POS called Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s leader and President of Egypt as soon as he verified (they already knew) that he’d successfully stolen the election.

    And, (since I’m on a rant I may as well continue) it seems the POS talking points to the repubs that Mitt’s failure to achieve victory was because of a failure of outreach to minorities has already begun.


    I’m for self-preservation at this point. That’s what the pos has imposed on the country. Complete divisiveness and the realization that race, gender and color are (almost) everything


    I wrote my rant BEFORE I saw this!

    I rest my case.

    Newsweek Cover: “GOP: You’re Old, You’re White, You’re History”

    • gxm17 says:

      Holy crap. I’m not a Republican or a conservative and I find that headline offensive as hell. It’s ageist and racist. That’s the thing that is most detestable about ObamaNation: their hateful hypocrisy.

    • votermom says:

      That way leads to Serbia and Croatia but I understand the reaction.

    • yttik says:

      Wyntre, I understand, just keep in mind a whole lot of black folks are angry too, and did not support this fraud.

    • insanelysane says:

      Congressional White Caucus; NAAWP; White PUMA Panthers;
      EAO-Euro American Organization; United UnNegro College Fund; WET White Entertainment Network.

      Can you just imagine the outrage! LOL
      What a bunch of hypocrites they are!

    • angienc says:

      Joe Biden, David Axelrod, Plouffe, Messina, Harry Reid, Timothy Geitner, NY Gov. Cuomo (rumored to be setting up for 2016 run) — no white guys in high authority positions in the Dem party.

      • catarina says:

        Condoleeza Rice, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Allen West, Mia Love, several other women and hispanics were on stage at the Republican convention.
        Were they just convention crashers? DId they just jump the barriers and rush all the ‘old white guys?”
        that is such a crock of bullshit!

    • DM says:

      As for me I will never again support minority positions on anything. Screw them. I am headed toward white solidarity. It was never my first inclination but at this point it is perfectly clear the pos and his supporters aim to take out the white population.

      Wyntre, Obama has been the most divisive president ever, and is the reason I never supported him, and I will always be disgusted at his sight and voice. But 40% of the whites voted for Obama, and without that vote he wouldn’t have been elected. MN, WI, PA are somewhere between 70 to 80 percent white, and those states went for The One. So what are you gonna do with that piece of information?

      • wyntre says:

        I’m going to call it what it is. White Guilt. That can be cured.

      • ME says:

        The comment’s by “wyntre” are heartbreaking, but what are you going to do? I think it’s better that people say this out loud rather than hide. I know wyntre isn’t a representation of all PUMA’s but I wonder about the hold outs. Who are the PUMA’s who because obots? Were you all the moderate/blue dog dems? Were you only dems because of the GOP’s Jesus/guns/gays stance? For as long as I have been an eligible voter I haven’t been able to find a political home so I like to pick the partisan brain.

        • ME says:


        • wyntre says:

          What’s sad about it? The fact that I said it? It needs to be said, clearly, without fear.

          FYI, I was an ardent HRC supporter. When the RBC stole delegates from her during the May 31 2008 meetings in order to gift the Affirmative Action incompetent unqualified candidate the nomination I tore up my dim card and registered as an Indie.

          I knew the pos was an imposter, a shucking and jiving pulpit pimp as the blacks in the inner city neighborhoods where I taught referred to such BS artists but I did not know the extent of the groundswell of support for his racist ways amongst the general (minority) population.

          Now I know.

          And I choose to stand with my racial group now the same way the fothermuckers on the other side have chosen to stand with the pos.

          I did not create this mess but I d@mn well am not going to ignore it.

          I and others like me will be just fine. Poor but fine. I know how to stretch a dollar and survive.

          I used to have compassion for those who will come after me but no more. The mask has been stripped from the beast and the idiots have chosen their fate.

          I intend to sit back and laugh as the ground collapses beneath their feet.

    • AniEm says:

      Not going to click on the link since the title itself is designed to be inflammatory and demoralizing. Rich white people will take care of themselves whether D or R. The racial problem is that Caucasians are high-maintenance employees. That’s why so many jobs are being transferred to Asian countries where the employees are brainy, hardworking, and thanks to Mao, tyranny-compliant. If it comes to a labor war among races, I’m going with the Asians on intrade.

      • wyntre says:

        Oh, please. You must live in an urban area. Here in the country – mostly white – people work their butts off.

        • AniEm says:

          Of course they do! (They also work their butts off in urban areas.) But this is the global perception of Caucasians. We’re the ones who championed labor laws, equal rights, etc. Those are not necessarily values world-wide.

  11. votermom says:

    Not sure if I get my point across – what do you think?

    • votermom says:

      • Somebody says:

        Oh wow voter turnout in Boston was 129%? Gosh and I thought the 99% turnout in Philly was amazing.

        Nothing to see here folks, move along.

        • elliesmom says:

          When a state allows same day voter registration, votes totals over the number of people registered before election day make sense, but MA does not. I wonder how this affects the Brown/Warren totals.

        • kanaughty says:

          I think brown needs to run against kerry in an off year election. I think then if he did win, it would look more and more suspicious towards voter fraud in 2012. I think brown should totally go for it. He has nothing to lose except he could win, there could be kerry fatigue. Also if kerry is sos, then brown should run for his old seat!

      • Somebody says:

        I wonder if Paul Revere is still voting?

      • DM says:

        I did a quick calculation. In the 2010 election, Boston had a 43% turnout and the total votes cast was 153,270 (254 precincts) for Brown and Coakley
        per the Boston Globe
        That means there were about 356,441 registered voters

        This November, according to the Boston Globe there for the same 254 of precincts, 247,464 votes were cast for Brown and Warren.
        If I assume the same number of registered voters as 2010, the turnout was about 69%

        The Boston Globe has reasonable numbers when one looks at the 2010 and 2012 election. I must assume then that the spreadsheet is wrong. It’s not unusual for spreadsheets to have calculation errors that go undetected. That is more reasonable than to assume massive fraud. I think Brown and the Republicans would be screaming if that was the case.

        Of course jumping to conclusion is, per rule 7 (Oswald), completely acceptable.

    • insanelysane says:

      It got your point across, but me thinks they are NOT RECEPTIVE to that point.
      LALALA can’t hear you….

  12. simofish says:

    Seriously I am looking forward to Obama owning all his shit.

    No more blaming or crying and I WILL REMIND all my Obot friends and anyone else who even tries to make one fucking excuse.

  13. insanelysane says:

    Personally, I am holding the Democrats accountable for all the nasty drone killing of innocents and the complete erosion of our civil liberties. Everybody on the planet knows the GOP is in favor of all the DHS intrusions and the never ending Warrenterrer…and they won’t try to stop it.

    That was the job of the Democrats.

    Now that 51% of country gave Obama the go ahead…that blood is directly on them. And then the unholy blasphemous assault on the Constitution is on them as well.
    By their votes, they give support and legitimacy to FISA and NDAA, and all this class warfare. They are the party of taking away our rights and killing innocents in Yemen.
    This is now way bigger than Hillary for me. This is time for revolution.

    Someone pointed me to Jeremy Scahill testimony about our Peace Prize Pres . Obama’s first killing drone strike. How Yemen took the credit for it but how the truth has a way of revealing itself.

  14. catarina says:

    Does anyone have final FL numbers?

  15. Was it ValJar that said something about payback? It’s started- and they started with Seal Team 6. Fucking bastards. So oblowhard and drunk Joe can blab all they want and go unpunished- but the Seals – well no, no they can’t.

  16. swanspirit says:

    A review of voter registration data for ten counties in Colorado details a pattern of voter bloat inflating registration rolls to numbers larger than the total voting age population. Using publicly available voter data and comparing it to U.S. Census records reveals the ten counties having a total registration ranging between 104 to 140 percent of the respective populations.

    • Constance says:

      Like they couldn’t figure out this was going on before the election.

    • DM says:


      Counties such as Gilpin and Hinsdale have 110 percent of their populations registered to vote. Gilpin County has a total population of 5,441 with 17.4% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 4,494. Currently Gilpin County has 4909 registered voters. Hinsdale County has a total population of 830 with 20% of the population below the voting age, making the highest possible number of registered voters 664. At 110 percent registration, that means that there are 515 excess voter registrations in Gilpin county and 68 excess registrations for Hinsdale.

      The votes reported:
      1854 + 1320 = 3174 Gilpin
      228 + 352 = 580 Hinsdale

      You can jump to conclusions, but I’m not gonna believe anything from that red state story.

      You can check those CO counties for yourself here

  17. DM says:

  18. smile says:

    I would really like to send a card to Mitt and Ann Romney, thanking them for running for president as he did. Do you know how to find their address or since they are so popular, how to address the envelope so it will reach them. Thanks!

    • DM says:

      I was thinking the same. I’m going to send it to:
      Gov. Mitt Romney
      C/O Republican Party
      310 First Street, SE Washington, DC 20003

      • smile says:

        Thanks, DM! Appreciate it.

        There is negativity even from repubs in the media, that Romney did this wrong and should have done this, etc., etc., that I wanted to counter it for Romney by letting him know how much I liked him and his family, their values, and such, and of their positive influence on me. He and his family must be going through much worse shock and depression than we are right now.

        • DM says:

          One small change. I just looked into it. There’s no more “Governor” The letter and envelope should be addressed as:

          The Honorable Mitt Romney

          and salutation is:

          Dear Mr. Romney

        • smile says:

          Thanks again, DM. I have corrected the info. You have some great research skills. 🙂

    • SimoFish says:

      Great idea

  19. lorac says:

    I just read a comment on another blog that Fox said Eric Holder is retiring. Wow, I hope that’s true!

    • DM says:

      I think he would need to pass a senate confirmation again. There’s no way that he could go to a confirmation hearing without being asked about Fast and Furious.

  20. bluestate says:

    my theory on this thing so far: i think sandy helped obama turn out his base in the end, and that, combined with the low gop turnout, which we now find out was a result of a catastrophic ground game failure on the part of the romney campaign was enough to flip the election for obama. i think romney performed fantastically as a candidate in an environment that was extremely hostile, particularly with regard to the media. he showed a lot of guts and heart, more so than john mccain did, i thought. i’m not sure to what degree i can hold him responsible for micro-managing people somewhere in the framework of his campaign who cannot handle basic communication with their ground teams. that’s not really the candidate’s job.

    • Glennmcgahee says:

      Apparently it was a software glitch of their got out the vote program and who knows, my tinfoil hat is on but there are alot of college students who are able to manipulate code nowadays. Not to mention the horrible voting software used in so many different municipalities.
      What I need is to be able to trust the process and I cannot any longer. I still wonder why the Democrats never pursued our terrible e-voting system.

      • votermom says:

        Yup, I remember all the “Diebold is rigged by Cheney!” screaming in 2004 – what happened to that? It’s all good as long as it’s rigged in favor of Obama.

  21. Glennmcgahee says:

    You know, Romney was correct about that 47% not voting for him since they had become dependent on the gov’t’s generosity but that number grew as more and more became unemployed, needed food stamps, etc. What that 47% doesn’t realize is that those cuts to these programs are coming no matter who is president but with Obama there will not be the jobs for them to replace those lost benefits.

    • DM says:

      Walker has an excellent point. In addition, as we look around, who are the candidates for the Democrats in 2016? Hillary, Biden and Cuomo. I guess there are a few others, but the Democratic Party has aged and petrified. The GOP is young, and the future belongs to the GOP. The GOP doesn’t have to change much, but it needs to enough to move voters from 47% to 51%

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