It All Depends On Whose Ox Is Being Gored


Igor at ThinkProgress:

John McCain Supported Condi Rice After Massive Intelligence Failure

President Obama has yet to nominate anyone to succeed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, but Republicans are already lining up in opposition to potential replacement U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, citing her complicity in the administration’s alleged failures in responding to the attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) promised to filibuster Rice’s nomination and “do whatever to block the nomination that is within our power.” “She’s not qualified,” McCain explained, arguing that she misled the public by initially attributing the September 11 Benghazi attack to protests over an anti-Islam video. He claimed that at a minimum, Rice is guilty of “not being very bright, because it was obvious that this was not a ‘flash mob’ and there was additional information by the time she went on every news show…in America.”

But interestingly, McCain took a far different approach to another Rice in 2005. When President George W. Bush nominated National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice to the post, McCain defended the nomination, despite Rice’s central role in spreading the false intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction. The Democrats held hours of hearing and ultimately confirmed Rice, but not before McCain accused the opposition of using politics to delay her confirmation and challenging her “integrity”

[…]

Seven years later, there is no evidence that Susan Rice mislead the public, yet McCain is leading the charge to oppose her. Rice was “speaking from a set of talking points provided by the U.S. intelligence community, which was also provided to Congress. The video has also been cited by those on the ground as being an impetus for the attack in recent weeks, challenging the Republican narrative.”


This is the kind of shit that gives tribalism a bad name. I don’t know when Igor joined ThinkProgress, but I am very sure that in 2005 TP was condemning the appointment of Condi Rice as Secretary of State.

Susan Rice did most assuredly mislead the public, the only question is whether she did so intentionally or not. Then again, so did Condi Rice. In my view, McCain was wrong then and right now.

It is really disgusting the way both parties swap positions with each other so easily. It all depends on whose ox is being gored – principles have nothing to do with it. The only guiding principle at ThinkProgress appears to be “Help the Democrats win.”

Until Susan Rice is completely forthcoming about everything she knows relating to what happened in Benghazi and the attempted cover-up that followed, she should not be confirmed for any other office. And depending on her answers, maybe not then either.

My prediction – If Susan Rice is nominated to replace Hillary, McCain and some other Republican senators will put on a dog and pony show during the confirmation hearings, but ultimately she will be confirmed.



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63 Responses to It All Depends On Whose Ox Is Being Gored

  1. votermom says:

    Truth is not relative.

  2. piper says:

    hey, she only went on five shows to spew the wh talking points

    • trixta says:

      Their argument is “don’t kill the messenger,” but Rice was acting under the authority of her title as UN Ambassador when she propagated the WH lie about the video.

  3. ME says:

    SE Cupp was on with Bill Maher talking about Obama’s drone war, NDAA, and kill list. Samuel Jackson angrily responds, “HEY, WHEN YOUR GUY WAS DOING IT, WHERE WERE YOU!” No opposition to Obama’s policies, secret prisons, and killing of American citizens. Just extreme tribalism. It’s okay if MY guy is doing it, no principles at all.

    I think that’s why Obama used this “Republican” plan, so he could mute any critics.

    • Bingo! And completely nullify the Left in the process.

    • alice says:

      This, in a nutshell, is why I can never belong to a political party. The problem right now with political life: no accountability. No principles, just an apocalyptic battle between us and them. If drones are wrong, they’re just bloody wrong. It doesn’t matter who the hell is using them.

  4. piper says:

    need some assistance in aisle 5 – name of a political blog with a financial bent something like angle……..blog?

    • Angelasmith says:

      Anglachel’s Journal? Anglachelg.blogspot.com

      Not primarily economics, but she does cover it at times.

  5. tommy says:

    Hmm…..I don’t think so. As we speak, things are happening. IMO, BHO will be forced to throw her under the bus.

  6. votermom says:

    Wait, I thought you were calling the blogger “Igor” mockingly – that’s his real name?
    Oh my. I forgive him all his lies – no one should be saddled with a name like that. Poor Igor. Have a nice crunchy bug.

  7. driguana says:

    And this is where we are as a nation…..sad, very sad.

  8. votermom says:

  9. votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      LOL. Jay’s a good guy, he took a pay cut to save his staff’s jobs, unlike Lauer over on Today. I throw him some ratings if I’m up to some late night mental bubblegum.

  10. carol haka says:

    Everyone knows Saddamn had WMD’s. We sold or gave them to him years earlier. Just like we know the weapons that attacked the compound and annex in Libya were sold or given to the terrorists in some transaction. The problem with all of our interventions is the weapons have a long shelf life and the goodwill, well, not so much. 👿

    • 49erDweet says:

      Yeah, though not a Condi fan I think its a bum rap to equate her comments with Susan’s spin tour. Since, as now seems likely, a bunch of Saddam’s stuff got legs in the final months and the truth has been difficult to determine. Not so with the mob claim.

  11. HELENK says:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/2012/11/fbi_is_not_yet_finished_digging_in_jesse_jackson_jr_probe.html

    the winner in a landslide vote in Chicago still being investigated by the FBI.
    Please can we give Chicago to Canada??????

  12. HELENK says:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/11/16/video-hostess-chief-on-the-labor-dispute-that-killed-twinkies/

    some reasons for the demise of twinkies

    PS
    just do not let tasty cakes go out of business

  13. carol haka says:

    The loyalty of the Governmental employees should lie with the Constitution and the people it is in place to protect. Hillary came out and bald faced lied at least 2 times prior to Susan Rice’s serial lie fest. Hopefully, they will all get what is coming to them legally. 👿

  14. carol haka says:

    Lola. Update on job and candidacy please! 🙂

  15. ME says:

    So now Petraeus is saying that HE did mention the video? Now he is saying there WAS confusion about whether it was terrorism? But in the closed hearing they watched a video of what happened that night and saw no protest. Charlene Lamb saw no protest. WHO mentioned a protest? Did anyone call for help and get denied? He is saying that 7+ different agencies handled the report and the protest was in there ALONG with the Al Quaeda related groups? So the WH got a report with terrorism + video and decided to take the terrorism out?

    And BTW he was not under oath today or when he last spoke to congress. I don’t believe any of this crap.

    • DM says:

      Taking oath before congress is a formality. All testimony to congress must be truthful whether one takes the oath or not.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Why didn’t he just plead the 5th ? I never understood the 5th anyhow, seems like it’s not much different than taken the oath.

        I keep going back to Martha Stewart’s 18 months in jail, none of this lying to the Feds makes sense to me.

  16. votermom says:

    epic rant on Nov 6
    The Republicans have no ballz

    • angienc says:

      Oh, I love him.

      And he’s right — all the shit is coming out & you have the GOP praising him for going to Burma & attacking Romney as being “divisive” with his “gifts” comments that Obama targeted core constituents right before the election (re: SSM “evolution,” mini-DREAM act via EO, “free” birth control) to rally them & gin up his turnout.

      Eff them all.

  17. DM says:

    • DM says:

      Petraeus’ testimony both challenges the Obama administration’s repeated claims that the attack was a “spontaneous” protest over an anti-Islam video, and according to King conflicts with his own briefing to lawmakers on Sept. 14. Sources have said Petraeus, in that briefing, also described the attack as a protest that spun out of control.
      “His testimony today was that from the start, he had told us that this was a terrorist attack,” King said, adding that he told Petraeus he had a “different recollection.”

  18. angienc says:

    This county by county map (excluding HI & Alaska) amazes me. But remember that when Romney/Ryan say high Obama turnout in urban areas hurt them, that just proves they are racists:

    https://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2/status/269507459952021504

    • votermom says:

      59 Philly divisions voted 99% for Obama. A black conservative lady called into a radio station blaming the slick crooks who don’t normally vote coming to vote for Obama because he’s just like them. LOL. She was mad, it was cathartic to listen.

      • angienc says:

        I’ve actually read that Obama targeted the super-low info voters — people who almost *never* vote –with late night ads on cable, etc.

        I said from the beginning, the only way Obama could win was by shattering the electorate with so much vileness that the moderates and right stayed home out of disgust while getting enough his base out to keep it close enough to steal.

        And that’s exactly what happened.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Now overlay that map with Congressional Districts. As PMM’s earlier discussion thread on Electoral College reform proved, awarding EC votes by CD’s won would have given Romney the win. Even factoring in the two Senate EC votes to the winner of the state’s popular vote.

      Unfortunately, none of us could figure out the overlay photo shop thingy 😉 Darn.

    • ME says:

      1. There is another map going around showing how Romney would have won if only men had the right to vote.

      2. The second variation of this map expands the blue portions because they factor in population amount. They are trying to shoot down the idea that it’s a red country. The red is wide open space in their view. I think the country is probably purple? I do know for a fact we are divided.

      • angienc says:

        The whole “nobody lives in those red areas” argument from the snobby blue areas — fuck them, the blue areas have the area they do. I’m not trying to put the blue areas down but they are the are the ones always saying they don’t want the red areas around/they are supporting the red areas/the red areas are nothing but a bunch of hicks,etc. when in fact it is the red areas that produce the food, fuel, etc in this country, not the blue areas.

  19. angienc says:

    Best tweet ever:

  20. votermom says:

  21. votermom says:

    Jill Kelley (and her twin) was at the WH three times in the past three months
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/woman-in-petraeus-scandal-visited-white-house/

  22. votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      Obama’s whiney defense of Rice at his press conference was the most misogynist, sexist rant I’ve ever witnessed. Sure wished he had that passion for Amb Stevens 😦

      • Constance says:

        I am also disgusted with the whole Susan Rice distraction. The White house obviously knew it was a load of BS when they sent her out to tell us this was the result of a movie not terrorism, Why did they send her, because Hillary wouldn’t go out and say it. I don’t want a Secretary of State who lies to us when ever it is convenient. And if you can’t hole a person of color or a woman responsible for their professional behavior then I would prefer to have a white male because when things are screwed up I want to know why. Yeah Susan Rice is a victim, the White house used her and she was dumb enough to let them.

  23. catarina says:

    It may be a bit too soon to laugh. but I did smirk.

  24. votermom says:

    I have a migraine and a bunch of school volunteer stuf coming up this wkend so I will probably be scarce, sorry! Pls feel free to post stuff, Denise & PMM & Lola.
    & myiq, pls keep arguing with RD so that you keep posting threads. LOL.

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