I would rather stay out of it but . . .

(Via Cannonfire)


As I’m sure you are aware, the Israel/Palestine conflict has heated up again. It looks like the IDF is getting ready to invade Gaza any day now and the usual suspects are spouting their usual memes. If I had my druthers I would just stay out of it but this time it seems pretty clear where the blame lies.

Imagine if you and your neighbor were having a feud. He claims the property you live on because before you both were born his grandparents lived there but your grandparents moved in and claimed part of the land. Both of your families have been fighting over the land ever since the Bronze Age. There is now a big fence separating the two sides.

You thought you had settled all this years ago, but lately he’s started taking pot-shots at your house with his .22 rifle. He’s broke a few of your windows, scared the hell out of your family, and even killed your dog. The cops won’t do anything. You warn him if he doesn’t stop you will retaliate.

Finally he wounded your daughter. So you grab up your AK-47 and empty a clip into his house. “You bastard!” he yells from inside his bullet-riddled domicile. “You have murdered my son! I will not rest until he is avenged!” Then he starts taking pot-shots at your house again.

Who is at fault?

The nation of Israel is about the size and has about the population of New Jersey. That’s not very big. You could easily drive the length of it in one day, or drive across it in a couple hours. The Gaza strip is even smaller – about 141 square miles. That makes it slightly larger than Philadelphia. But it has about 1.7 million people in it, which means it is pretty crowded.

The Gaza Strip is occupied by Palestinians and controlled by Hamas. Since the beginning of the year they have launched over 1200 Qassam rockets into Israel, mostly at civilian targets. These rockets are not like our ICBMs or Tomahawk cruise missiles, they are fairly small and can be launched from portable launchers set up on rooftops. They are short range and not very powerful, similar to a hand grenade or mortar round.

The goal of these rocket attacks is not to destroy Israel’s military. It is simple terrorism. Every time an Arab army has tried to stand toe-to-toe with the Israelis, they have lost, and lost badly. So now the main Palestinian tactic is to try to provoke a reaction.

The problem is that Hamas is basically holding their own families hostage, daring Israel to respond. It’s just like the Intifada – have boys throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, trying to goad them into shooting back. Then when the soldiers do shoot back, they scream about how terribly they are being oppressed.

Hamas lobs missiles at Israel, so Israel strikes back. No, it’s not a fair fight. Israel has much more military force than Hamas. But the issue is not which side is stronger, it is which side keeps initiating hostilities.

I’m not saying that Israel is wholly blameless in all the things that have occurred over the last 70 years. But as my grandma once told me, “Don’t go pokin’ that dog with a stick lessen you wanna get bit.

Obviously, some people disagree with me.


(Via Cannonfire)


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71 Responses to I would rather stay out of it but . . .

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Our legal system has the doctrine of laches, which is what statutes of limitations are based on. At some point you have to let go of the past and quit fighting over old grievances. That doesn’t mean you have to forgive and forget, it just means you gotta quit fighting.

  2. votermom says:

    I am completely on the side of Israel in this one. They are defending their right to exist.

    Arab countries have no right to try to accuse Israel of being interlopers after they expelled their own native-born Jews and let Israel take them in as refugees. They signed on to Israel’s existence by doing so.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/jew_refugees.html

  3. votermom says:

    the link is to insta-pundit linking to breitbart on Hamas faking the cause of kid’s death for the sale of propaganda
    The tweet makes a good point – why are people so gullible when it comes to propaganda that supports your own worldview –
    and what does it say about you when your worldview inclines you to view terrorists as good guys?

  4. wmcb says:

    It’s all pretty simple to me, despite the long and complicated conflict. Only ONE of the parties here repeatedly asserts that the other party has no right to exist and ought to be exterminated/driven out of the entire region. And only ONE of the parties here is only concerned with the tiny slice of their “ancestral homeland” that Israel sits on, while completely ignoring the much larger swathes of “Palestine” that have been “occupied” by Jordan and Syria. That makes it very clear to me that it’s not really about the land, it’s about the nasty Jews being there in the midst of the middle east. Otherwise they’d be lobbing missiles at Jordan and Syria as well, who also “stole” parts of Palestine. They aren’t. Because it’s not really about the land, it’s about getting rid of Israel. Why no pressure on the OTHER countries sitting on all the rest of “Palestine”? Simple. They are not Jews.

    I firmly believe that Israel is in an existential battle, and knows it. Do they pursue policies and actions that sometimes are more draconian than I’m comfortable with? Yep. But if I were sitting in New Jersey surrounded by all the other states who openly HATED me, and preached on their air waves that Jerseyans needed to be exterminated and driven out, and kept lobbing missiles into Trenton, I might go a little hard-line too.

  5. I agree on they can’t keep fighting over old grievances- but fcs- the revisionist history is infuriating. The Israelis did NOT kick the Palestinians out of their homes. The Arab states (backed by the English) encouraged the Palestinians to flee on the promise the Arab “armies” would annihilate the Jews and the Palestinians would be allowed to go back and take over. That did not work out so well for them.
    The ptb in the Arab world make a point of keeping their children ignorant of any history other than the propaganda with which they indoctrinate them.
    I like your grandma’s saying. Makes a whole lot of sense.

  6. myiq2xu says:

    • votermom says:

      I tweeted a reply – I am not sure she understands what irony is.
      What’s she describes is jadedness, although hipsters may describe their own affectations as “ironic”, at the most they are simply being sarcastic.
      In reality they are being faddish. I think if I had to compare this generation to any other, I would pick the flappers of the 1920s. Young people pretending to be jaded and scornful of society because that’s the fashionable thing to do.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Young people pretending to be jaded and scornful of society because that’s the fashionable thing to do.

        That pretty much describes a segment of every generation.

        • votermom says:

          Yes, but they seem to be in larger groups in certain eras. In some eras it seems more fashionable to be in a counterculture or actual rebellion vs the just sneering disdainfully while sipping the latest hand-mixed drink (cocktails in the 20s, lattes today).

    • Isn’t it ironic?

      Is that a Weird Al Yankovic cover of a George Harrison song? #TheUltimateIrony

  7. leslie says:

    This morning on the news it was reported 90 Palestinians died and 3 Israelis died. I just turned to the BBC News to read 25 Palestinians died. Our * news* reports must be right because they wouldn’t misspeak, would they?

    • leslie says:

      My apologies. After reading further, the report reads that 94 Palestinians have died since the conflict began last week. I misspoke.

  8. HELENK says:

    Hamas leader says its up to Israel to stop fighting by agreeing to Hamas demands – @AP

    let me see hamas has been firing rockets into Israel forever. Israel starts firing back with better rockets, hamas is losing but Israel has to stop fighting for their lives??? so what is wrong with this picture

  9. cj says:

    “Don’t go pokin’ that dog with a stick lessen you wanna get bit.“

    An interesting take on the “proportionality” argument:

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/11/18/america-israel-gaza-the-world/

    • votermom says:

      That’s BS imo. When someone shoots at you you are under no obligation to pick the same caliber bullet to shoot back.
      You do whatever you have to do to keep yourself and your family safe.

      • cj says:

        Oh I agree. It would be a different story if it only amounted to a few minor provocations here & there, but the attacks on Israel have been systematic & coordinated acts of terror. No civilized nation could expect it’s citizens to live like that.

    • myiq2xu says:

      That is a very good article:

      Thus when television cameras show the bodies of children killed in an Israeli air raid, Jacksonian Americans are sorry about the loss of life, but it inspires them to hate and loathe Hamas more, rather than to be mad at Israel. They blame the irresponsible dolts who started the war for all the consequences of the war and they admire Israel’s strength and its resolve for dealing with the appalling blood lust of the unhinged loons who start a war they can’t win, and then cower behind the corpses of the children their foolishness has killed. The whole situation strengthens the widespread American belief that Palestinian hate rather than Israeli intransigence is the fundamental reason for the Middle East impasse, and the television pictures that drive much of the world away from Israel often have the effect of strengthening the bonds between Americans and the Jewish state.

  10. HELENK says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/israel-bombs-hamas-communication-tower-takes-over-hamas-tv-programming-video/

    Israel takes over tv tower to give warnings to civilians. msm reports hamas story without verifying on journalist injured

  11. piper says:

    any suggestions on switching browser from yahoo to ??? Opening photo showing bombing destruction in Gaza with headline – civilian deaths rising in Gaza. How about a photo showing destruction in Israel.

    Yes, the feud goes back several thousand years but if there is any to blame it should be the good ole Brits along with the French who divided up the Mid East after WWI. Is there any good reason why the Saudis received such a huge swatch of land compared to the other countries?

  12. HELENK says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/19/palestinian-islamic-jihad-official-brags-all-our-weapons-are-from-iran/

    NICE bragging that all their weapons came from Iran.

    do they kneel and sing ” I am your puppet man” while facing Iran???

  13. carol haka says:

    Your cartoon is offensive and anti-semetic. Thousands of rockets and missiles pour into Israel every year and suicide bombers are responsible for 1000’s of dead Israeli children, women, and men. And yet, Israel does it’s best to target only the actual terrorists when they finally say, “enough is enough”. This is not about territory, it is about terrorism. The area that is controlled by the Palestinians is some of the most beautiful land and sea coast in the world. They destroyed all of it and destroyed a society to be the murdering junk yard dogs of the Arab world. That’s all they know now. 👿

    • carol haka says:

      ‘anti-semitic’

      • carol haka says:

        And when Israel is going to take out a building, they usually drop flyers advising the population to get out as they are coming. 👿 ….or some other form of communication ….

      • carol haka says:

        I know what it is. I am keying on a cell phone with a bad left elbow and bad right wrist. I don’t usually take time to go back for corrections especially twice. Pointing out a misspelling doesn’t change the intent of the cartoons posted. 👿

    • votermom says:

      It’s a cannonfire cartoon – pretty sure myiq used it to show what the lefty bloggers are spouting.

    • t says:

      Regardless of the intention of the cartoon, taking the Palestinian side on this does not constitute racism any more than voting for Romney constitutes racism against Obama. This is an old fight, many reasons for both sides fighting. The Palestinians use terrorist techniques because terrorists do not tend to have whole countries behind them, thus they tend to fight dirty. For the US, it’s just another case of us choosing one nasty fight over another and then getting our citizens hot about it. We frequently ignore fights much uglier and dirtier and much more genocidal than this one.

  14. myiq2xu says:

    Why is somebody from South Carolina calling me this early in the morning? I don’t know anybody from that area code.

    • Erin says:

      Probably an urgent call to lower your credit card interest rate. Hurry and answer it because the 8 million messages on my machine tell me that if I dont respond it will be my last opportunity to lower my interest rate. The liars keep calling back.

  15. votermom says:

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/158038/

    JOHN FUND: Allen West fights on amid bizarre Florida recount mayhem. “Then there is Gertrude Walker, the 32-year-veteran election supervisor of St. Lucie County, who has spent much of the last two weeks explaining why her office completely botched the count. She admitted that her office had acted in ‘haste’ in issuing election results, and that ‘mistakes were made.’ Among her mistakes was failing to count 40 of the 94 precincts under her jurisdiction on Election Night — and then counting the other 54 twice. Indeed. On Friday, her office announced it had ‘discovered’ 304 additional early votes left in a box. None had been counted. But Walker wasn’t available for comment. She has been hospitalized for unknown reasons.”

  16. yttik says:

    One big problem in the US is that many people don’t seem to understand that propaganda is a tool of war. Palestinians, Hamas, terrorists, oppressive regimes all over the ME, have been using propaganda since forever. In fact, the whole purpose of terrorism is propaganda, an attempt to terrorize and influence people’s perceptions. In the US rather than stepping back and taking a look at the whole picture, many people just repeat the propaganda that claims Israel is a great evil and the Palestinians are an oppressed and discriminated against bunch of victims.

  17. gxm17 says:

    Most Americans can not appreciate terrorism as an everyday reality. I still remember when the DC sniper was at large and how the simple acts of going to the store or getting gas were terrifying. It’s stressful and oppressive to live under the rifle scope. It saddens me that so many Americans lack the depth of compassion to feel for the people of Israel. It is especially disturbing for me, a liberal, when so much of the angry indifference coming from the left is directed at only one side.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I remember during the first Gulf War when Saddam Hussein was launching Scud missiles at Israel. Everybody was worried that he would use nerve gas in them (he only used explosives but we didn’t know that then) so the Israeli government was telling everyone to take precautions.

      I will never forget a CNN clip showing a family hiding in a bunker during a Scud attack. This little girl was sitting there wearing a gas mask and you could tell she was sobbing in fear.

      I was really disappointed when Poppy Bush let Saddam live through that war.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Hamas IS a terrorist organization with huge human rights problems the UN and left don’t seemed concerned about 😦 Gotta love that Lovitz !

  18. DeniseVB says:

    McCain sure gave Obama a thumpin’ …. send Big Dawg in to broker peace in the ME 😀

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/11/18/mccain-recommendation-hand-the-mideast-crisis-from-obama-to-bill-clinton/

  19. Propertius says:

    I just question whether someone who supported the Droner in Chief has the moral authority to criticize anyone about much of anything.

  20. threewickets says:

    Remarkable ignorance, drama, and hypocrisy. But mainly ignorance. Like watching Fight Club, and the Chomsky left is finally winning the propaganda war. There is so much money being pumped into people’s brains now that the history of the region is being rewritten and replaced with emotional mush. It is a demoralizing thing to watch, but there it is. I lose more respect for political activists everyday. They drown in their own filter bubble.

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