Stupid + Facebook = Unemployment

Gawker:

Should This Woman Have Her Life Ruined Because She Posted a Stupid Photo on Her Own Facebook Page?

While visiting Arlington National Cemetery last month, Lindsey Stone thought it would be amusing to snap a photo of herself “disrespecting” the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier by flipping it off and pretending to make noise.

She later uploaded the photo to her Facebook page, thinking her friends would get a kick out of it as well.

[…]

A Facebook page called “Fire Lindsey Stone” was created less than a day ago and has already amassed over 4,000 likes. Started by a former servicemember, the page calls for Stone to be terminated from her job at LIFE, a Cape Cod-based nonprofit that houses adults with learning disabilities.

“Let her employer know how much of a waste of oxygen this disrespectful person is,” wrote the page’s creator, who notes that Stone’s trip to Arlington National Cemetery was paid for by the organization.

Earlier today she was fired.

I’m not saying she should have been fired. She didn’t break any laws and she was on her own time. But people should be really careful what they post on the internet. I blog pseudonymously because that gives me the freedom to say shit without having to face RL consequences because someone disagrees with me or is offended. They can only go after my online persona (which they have, repeatedly).

I used to advise clients not to put anything in writing they wouldn’t want a judge and jury to read. Now I would add, “Don’t post anything on Facebook you wouldn’t want your boss, parents, spouse and/or kids to see.”


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144 Responses to Stupid + Facebook = Unemployment

  1. myiq2xu says:

    They should teach girls before they reach junior high that any nude or racy photos or videos they take of themselves or allow to be taken will end up on the internet.

    There are websites that specialize in that stuff.

  2. DandyTiger says:

    Perhaps they really fired her not because of the picture and “disrespect” itself, but because she was so stupid as to post it on FB. You can’t fix stupid.

  3. HELENK says:

    they were on company time accompanying a group from a group home that they manage.
    damn right they should have been fired.

    The military person that is buried there gave his all for this country and gave these two rights and freedoms.
    their disrespect is sickening.

    • HELENK says:

      BOSTON (CBS) – Two women have been placed on unpaid leave from their jobs after their photo at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia angered thousands of people on Facebook.

      Lindsey Stone was visiting the Tomb of the Unknowns last month on a business trip when she posed for a picture next to a sign that reads “silence and respect.”

      • I was also going to post, outside of my reply to your first post is that people are just as angry as I am about the photographer (her boss) taking part in the situation. I truly believe her boss/accomplice is just as disrespectful and ignorant for not stepping up to stop the childish behavior.

        Supposedly there have been people who have posted to that FB page that have worked with and personally know both of these women and say that they both are rude, disrespectful, and classless individuals. They went on to say both were being forced out or terminated at a previous employer when receiving positions at Life. The same people went on to say that these two when together got even worse in their shenanigans.

        I am only thirty but it is truly sad to look at my generation X brethren and they are still acting like they were when they were teenagers. Another big issue with our society and the me-me-me attitude.

        • lorac says:

          I didn’t watch commercial TV for many years (just HBO and TCM, then the news during elections) but I started watching reruns (but they’re new to me!). What has really struck me is how juvenile the adult men are! Everyone Loves Raymond, King of Queens, Reba, Home Improvement. I think King of Queens wins the juvenile prize hands down. But these were very popular shows – and the leads act as though they’re still in middle school. Blows me away!

    • Thank you for typing my thoughts much better than I ever would have been able to do.

      Being retired military I took an oath and am proud of that decision. I am glad that I was a small part of being able to contribute to everyone’s rights and freedoms. It is as you stated the disrespect of those sacrifices that is so sickening!!!

      Plus if she is dumb enough and so disrespectful to something like this what is she doing or saying to these special needs individuals behind closed doors or behind the company’s back.

  4. bz says:

    Yes, of course she should be fired.

    • myiq2xu says:

      So you think your employer should have veto power over your freedom of speech?

      • HELENK says:

        when a person is on company time, they represent the company

        I can not imagine any company wanting picture to represent them

        • myiq2xu says:

          Actually that was a trick question. The First Amendment applies to Congress. Private individuals are free to react to what you say and do in any legal manner they choose. Unless you have a contract that specifies the grounds for termination, most states say you can be fired for any reason not prohibited by law – or for no reason at all.

    • t says:

      I don’t think she should be fired, but I also don’t think she should be surprised. Posting about anything on the internet can have repercussions, bottom line.

      I got into an argument recently with a guy because he posted something about how a perv was stalking family kid photos. I mentioned that your best defense is to stop posting kid photos on the internet! He went into a tirade about “free speech,” should be able to do that, etc.

      Yep, I’ll grant that you should also be able to leave your car running while you run in and get milk, leave your house unlocked so the grocery delivery can put the milk in the fridge. But you can’t. And everyone knows it, and people just take for granted that they need to protect themselves in their “real lives”.

      But when it comes to the internet and their virtual lives? Share, share, share! My niece once posted on Facebook a whole bunch of pics of her newly Christmas decorated apartment, inside and out. She lived alone. I sent her a note via snail mail telling her that I deciphered her address via her Christmas pix and profile info, and she should take the pix down if she doesn’t want a perv or burglar to do the same, and that maybe, just maybe, she doesn’t know enough about her 900 Facebook friends to trust every single one of them. She took the shots down the next day.

      And, of course, you can lose your job too.

      People need to learn to protect themselves on. the. internet. too. They need to learn that some postings are the equivalent of leaving their door unlocked, or being stupidly honest about who they really are to their boss. Repercussions happen. The fact that they SHOULDN’T happen is irrelevant.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Many crimes are “crimes of opportunity”. Criminals see and easy score and go for it. That includes many sexual assaults.

        Telling girls and women to protect themselves and avoid bad situations is not the same as blaming the victim.

      • DailyPUMA says:

        free speech does not apply to photos posted online or recordings because “free speech” means someone says something, and as the echo of their speech fades into the airwaves, the speech is gone, literally.

        Photos and recordings, different story entirely.

        • angienc says:

          Um, you are totally wrong about this who “echo of their speech fading into the airwaves” thing(literally).

          Free speech means the government can’t shut you up/arrest you for expressing yourself (i.e., it is about the government-citizen relationship). It has nothing to do with the employer-employee relationship.

  5. yttik says:

    I’m a big libertarian about employment issues. I think drug tests for motel maids is a violation of people’s civil rights. I think credit checks on minimum wage workers is just ridiculous. What you do on your own time belongs to you. I’ve got more security clearances then a US congresscritter and it really pisses me off! But that said, if you’re going to do something asinine, photograph or video tape yourself doing it and post it on facebook, well, you can’t fix stupid. This woman was extra special, allegedly she also posted it from her work computer.

    As to why she would feel like showing so much disrespect to our military, especially at a grave sight, is beyond me. If I were queen of the world, I’d deport her to the middle east somewhere until she learns to value freedom a little more.

  6. myiq2xu says:

    ‘Flaming Lips’ Singer Wayne Coyne Shuts Down OKC Airport … with a GRENADE

    It was a dud. Sometimes the headlines are way more fun than the story.

  7. carol haka says:

    Freedom of speech. Humor is frequently exhibited to break tension. If everyone who was on a business trip was fired for poor behavior, there would be very few employees. She should have be given the chance to apologize and then everyone should move on. It’s not like 4 Americans were taking fire for over 8 hours …. 👿

    • yttik says:

      Good point! Four Americans were killed, our elected officials lied to us, the ME is imploding, we’re involved in two wars, nobody knows WTH is going on in Syria,….and people are concerned about what this fool of a woman did to disrespect our troops.

      • carol haka says:

        I think it was more about being “cute” than disrespecting our Troops. Our government and Obots have that mission covered. 👿

  8. myiq2xu says:

    Apparently the hottest-selling toy this Christmas will be “Touch Me Elmo”

  9. yttik says:

    Justice Scalia of all people, said it best when he ruled against those signing anti-gay petitions who wished to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation. He said,

    “Harsh criticism, short of unlawful action, is a price our people have traditionally been willing to pay for self-governance….Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed…I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism. This does not resemble the Home of the Brave.”

    No matter how crazy and misguided your ideas are, you have the right to free speech in this country. However, you do not have the right to be protected from the consequences of your free speech.

  10. angienc says:

    BTW — did everyone hear that this morning the Bakers Union has agreed to mediation with Hostess?

    NOW do those fucking Obots understand that Mitt was right (again): we should have let “Detroit” (GM) go bankrupt?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/19/twinkies-hostess-mediation/1715415/

    • myiq2xu says:

      I read somewhere that toads understand only two things: “Food” and “Not Food”

      Obots only understand “Obama” and “racist”

  11. myiq2xu says:

    Say no to crack:

  12. votermom says:

  13. DailyPUMA says:

    This is confusing. I ended up laughing (which was her intent) because she actually thought it would be funny to take the picture that she did.

    So, who took the picture, shouldn’t they be fired as well?

    I’m even more confused now.

  14. angienc says:

    Everyone seriously needs to go to the story Iowahawk links to here:

  15. myiq2xu says:

    Wal-Mart: Always Low Wages

    Employees of the super company are planning a walkout on one of the biggest shopping days of the year, and that’s only the beginning.

    I’m not sure if this is an example of “Biting the hand that feeds you” or “Killing the Golden Goose.”

    I would say one thing to those employees: “Hostess

    • yttik says:

      Strikes and walkouts work a whole lot better when you don’t have record breaking unemployment numbers and hundreds of people lined up to take your job.

    • HELENK says:

      seiu plans pickets at LAX during one of the busiest travel days of the year. I guess they have not really dealt with testy passengers before.
      really not fun. I know they would not want to be at anyother airport, they would face the prospect of getting a suitcase up their a$$es

  16. gxm17 says:

    Fired for a bad joke that, IMO, was clearly intended to make fun of the sign and not the tomb. No way! Even stupid people are covered by the First Amendment.

    Gawd, during the Humpback Bridge infinite construction project when I had to detour through Arlington Cemetery and wait for the tourists to waddle through the crosswalk like lost zombie cows, I sure felt like doing the exact same thing.

    • angienc says:

      The first amendment does apply to the stupid.

      It doesn’t apply to employers though.

      • angienc says:

        *employers who are not the US government.

        You can say whatever you want, but you can’t say it in my house or my office– I can kick you right out if you say things I don’t like/want to be associated with. In fact, I have kicked people out of my home for making what I considered sexist & racist remarks in front of me.

        • gxm17 says:

          So if I have a conservative employer and I speak a liberal opinion during conversation in the lunchroom, I should be fired, or vice versa? Or if I am an atheist and my employer is religious and I support my atheism in a water cooler conversation I can be fired? IMO, that is taking it too far. We are all people. We all have differing ideas and opinions. We should never be censored because we make one joke that someone deems inappropriate. Can management have a discussion with that employee? Sure. Fired for a first offense because you post something on your personal FB? This shit needs to stop.

          In my life, I have never thrown anyone out of my house for having an opinion different than mine. And I’ve had lots of people with extreme (both right and left) opinions in my house. IMO, confront these folks with words, and compelling arguments, not censor and exclusion.

          • angienc says:

            I didn’t say anyone SHOULD be fired. I said what type of relationship the First Amendment applies to. “Censorship” doesn’t mean what you think it means. You don’t have to like it & it isn’t something I’m asking you to “believe” — it’s a fact, not a tenant of faith.

            IMO, I think talking about religion & politics at *work* is unprofessional and people who do talk about those thing at work “cross the line” of professional decorum. That doesn’t mean I think people should be fired if they do talk about those things– it just means those topics aren’t appropriate at work.

            And good for you for not throwing people out of your home –I, OTOH, reserve the right to throw people who, say, refer to women as c*nts right out of my house. That doesn’t mean you have to do the same,but if you think that makes you somehow “better” than me, you’re wrong. I don’t need to accept any kind of behavior I don’t like in my own home.

        • gxm17 says:

          IMO, bigoted opinions need the light, not the dark. Like mold, they tend to grow faster in the dark.

          That said, I don’t think this woman’s joke was bigoted. Just bad. No one should be fired for a bad joke. Letter in her employee record, fine, but fired is just plain ridiculous; and I am tired of employers caving to public pressure over these FB cases. And I’m beyond done with our the age of social media’s “petition solution” activism. Gawd, what a couch potato, “let’s do lunch” “sign an FB petition” nation we have become. Clickety click, uninformed passive activism, blech.

          • angienc says:

            Yeah, you’ve moved the entire conversation into your personal beliefs which have no application to the actual law. I merely pointed out what is *actually* “free speech” and what isn’t — I think I’ve repeated more than once that I wasn’t commenting on whether the woman *should* be fired, just that firing her wasn’t a violation of free speech.

            Furthermore, I don’t care what kind of opinions you think I should expose to the light by allowing in my home — thanks for your concern.

            You can certainly believe whatever you want & do whatever you want. I find the entire discussion with you unproductive.

  17. westcoaster says:

    new cartoon (Obama telling Hillary to clean up the Middle East and get him a beer)
    http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2012/11/20/105222

  18. For what it’s worth, I agree with gxm17 and carol haka, more or less. She was making fun of the sign, not the tomb and not the military. Who knows, maybe there’s a backstory where a bunch of tourists were making lots of noise or acting “un-somber” and this pic was part of some photo commentary skit. Not saying that’s what happened but it’s as plausible as the rest of the hearsay about what a “jerk” the woman is.

    If being a bad clown is enough to get you fired, what is this world coming to??

    • yttik says:

      Here’s the thing, though. People have died fighting for what they believed in. Short of giving their lives, there were also things like fire hoses, torture, and forced feedings. That is the price people have paid for free speech and self governance. If you believe in something, stand up for it and deal with the consequences!! Yeah, they’ll be a price to pay, that’s how it works.

      What starts to get on my nerves is when people today hide behind free speech rights, like they should be able to say and do anything they want and the entire system is obligated to protect them from all and any consequences. Free speech was never about the right to be a “bad clown,” or to pointlessly offend people. Does she have a cause, a political message, a protest she’s trying to organize? No, she just made a bad joke. You have the right to make bad jokes, but you don’t have the right to trivialize free speech rights as if they are nothing more then the right for you to not suffer the consequences of your own actions.

      • Well, we don’t know that she doesnt have a larger point, like I said. Maybe she’s a philosopher of the absurd who is filming herself crossing boundaries and pushing buttons.

        Maybe she isnt.

        Yes, her employer has the right to fire her, but that doesnt mean they should, which I think was the point of this post. Should she or shouldnt she be fired? I say she shouldnt.

        If she were waving a big sign in the same place about the Fort Hood massacre being treated like an employee criminal case instead of terrorism should she be fired for being “loud and disrespectful”?

        Who gets to decide what is or isn’t funny or acceptable?

        And actually, you DO have the right to trivialize free speech rights.

        You also have the right to not be fired by private employers, but only if your speech is related to unionization or whistle-blowing. I think we need some sort of “presumption of privacy” laws to protect our online speech.

        If my FB page, twitter feed etc are all set to “private” then if my speech there is made public it should be the same as if someone broke into my home and stole my journal or if someone secretly recorded a private conversation in my home — not admissible, not actionable.

    • angienc says:

      FWIW, I’m repeating it again: the First Amendment only applies to the government — citizen relationship, to employer– employee relationship. (i.e, speech can’t get you arrested,but it sure as heck can get you fired).

      Seriously, people need to keep that basic fact straight when discussing the First Amendment (or any Amendment for that matter).

      • angienc says:

        *NOT to employer-employee relationship

        • I know, I know. I’m not saying the woman has a Constitutionally protected right to her job. The 1st amendment does not apply in this case (unless the non-profit she works for is a quasi-govmt agency but whatevs, I’m assuming it’s not and that she can be fired for any reason or no reason at all).

          All I’m saying is I think it sucks she was fired for this.

          Should pharmacists be fired for not filling BC prescriptions? Should pacifists be fired for protesting at military cemeteries?

          Again, not arguing that private employers dont have the legal right to fire hyper-observant Catholics or pacifists or women’s rights activists, I’m only saying I think those employers SHOULDN’T fire them.

          Actually, I think the pharmacist should be fired and the war protester / bad clown shouldn’t be, but that’s just me.

        • myiq2xu says:

          Bad clowns need love too.

        • and better jokes, too.

          they also need jobs, I guess.

        • gxm17 says:

          Actually, I think the pharmacist should be fired and the war protester / bad clown shouldn’t be, but that’s just me.

          This.

        • angienc says:

          Actually, I think the pharmacist should be fired and the war protester / bad clown shouldn’t be, but that’s just me.

          That’s why we have a Constitution & not mob rule, because with mob rule, the rules change according to the personal “beliefs” of the mob that’s in power.

          Laws are written down for a reason –so that all citizens can see them, know what their rights are & what they can & cannot do. But most importantly, they are written down so that citizens rights are not dependent to the subjective reasoning of others who happen to be in power.

      • yttik says:

        What really bothers me is that we don’t have a free press anymore, the Gov is spying on us without warrants, some nutjob is in jail for making an anti Muslim film……and people today think free speech means the right to wear an offensive teeshirt or post a bad joke on facebook.

        I’m turning into an old grouch, but in my youth we fought for things like civil rights, an end to war, free elections. Today people seem to want to fight for the right to be obnoxious and suffer no personal consequences.

        • angienc says:

          THIS.

          I’m with you 100% yttik.

        • I’m pretty sure the old grouches of the 60’s and 70’s thought that the peace activists and women’s libbers fighting for nuclear disarmament, civil rights, and women’s equality were obnoxious, self-centered, lazy, pampered, rude, childish fools who should go back to class, get their hair cut, and get a JOB!

          Hiya, Babyboomers!

          Not that the clown above is one of those activists from back in the day, but there are plenty of young people out there today fighting for equal rights and an end to war. They’re our children and nieces and nephews — the ones who are bringing us legal gay marriage in state after state and birth control covered 100% by insurance and twitter revolts against street harassment in Cairo.

          They need to wake up and get crackin on this relentless incursion by state and private powers into our private online lives, but I have hope for them yet!

        • gxm17 says:

          What’s more obnoxious: A pharmacist refusing to sell a woman Plan B or this woman’s stupid (and entirely personal) joke?

          I’m turning into an old grouch when people don’t see the difference between a person sharing a bad joke with her friends and a pharmacist denying people the right to receive medication the pharmacist doesn’t agree with.

          Why the hell is “religious” based obnoxiousness “protected” and any other kind of obnoxious behavior isn’t? Especially when this woman’s behavior affects no one, except her and her FB friends. You don’t like her jokes? Easy: Unfriend her.

        • votermom says:

          She was on the job when she made the bad joke and she posted the picture from her work computer.
          Therefore it reflects on her employer if people make a big stink and they don’t do something about it.
          Every employment contract has a “don’t embarrass the company” clause in it in fine print somewhere.

        • Goodness sakes, if she had photographed herself beside the “Do Not Walk on the Grass” sign at Arlington while she was moonwalking on the grass should she be fired?

          What if she were a school teacher taking her kids on a school field trip?

          Statism is legal and all, but it’s not a very liberal stance to take in regard to your government.

        • gxm17 says:

          If we ran a check on every bad joke that people have posted from their work computer, no one would have a job.

        • votermom says:

          Many many people have been quietly fired from cubicle farms for forwarding bad jokes – all it take is one complaint. HR dreads hostile environment lawsuits so that’s the result.
          I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s the reality. The woman was old enough to realize that – she’s not a kid at her first job.

        • yttik says:

          “Statism is legal and all, but it’s not a very liberal stance to take in regard to your government.”

          Where is the government in all this? The government has nothing to do with it. This is a dispute between a woman, her employer, and several thousand facebook fans.

        • Yeah but hostile environment is a real problem. Being anti-military or anti-sanctimony is not. If she is working with the developmentally disabled and she was forwarding offensive “retard” jokes then I would say she should be fired for contributing to a hostile environment.

          To give her more credit than she probably deserves, who, if anyone, is being harmed by her anti-war political statement, and if these harmed parties exist, what makes their harm privileged above hers (ie being fired)?

          To give her less credit than she deserves, who, if anyone, is being harmed by her rude stupid joke, and if these harmed parties exist, what makes their harm privileged above hers (ie being fired)?

        • gxm17 says:

          And, many, many more people have not been fired for consistently making bad jokes and creating a hostile environment. Firing someone for one joke, unless it is a prank that brings real physical harm to someone, is unreasonable. Again, put a letter in their file, but don’t fire them until next time. Discipline does not have to be immediate firing. And who the hell are these mean-spirited folks who wanted her fired? Who the hell would ask for something that extreme? Who the hell thinks they have the right to request someone be fired because they don’t like one joke they made on their personal FB page? That is such peeping tom behavior, that IMO, it’s freaky. It reminds me of the guy in Springfield, VA who was walking around his house naked and a woman cutting through his yard who saw him (while looking in his window) had him arrested. IMO, it is going out of one’s way to impose your standards on another person’s personal behavior.

        • votermom says:

          Once HR has been officially made aware of a violation of whatever policy they have, they are obligated to do something about it – warning/ suspension/ whatever – otherwise they can be accused of inconsistent enforcement. Actual firing is at management discretion.

          We are overlooking the not-unlikely possibility that this woman’s employer was also offended by her behavior while on the clock.

        • elliesmom says:

          I can promise you if a school teacher on a field trip to the zoo with her class had herself photographed giving the finger to the monkey cage and posted it on her FB page, she’d be out of a job. If she was on a family vacation, she might not be fired, but she’d be on the carpet and on notice.

    • angienc says:

      Statism is legal and all, but it’s not a very liberal stance to take in regard to your government.

      FFS — did you miss the part where I just explained that this isn’t a government/first amendment issue we’re talking about here?

      How can you just go right back to a statism & “your government” argument when I JUST TOLD YOU this “bad joke” story we’re talking about here isn’t a government-citizen question, but an employer-employee question so the 1st Amend. doesn’t apply and you even RESPOND to me saying “I know, I just don’t think she should be fired.”

      Do you realize you aren’t being consistent within the same thread?

      • FFS — No, I didn;t miss that, Angie. I think in nearly every friggin comment posted I mentioned that the 1st amendment doesnt apply and the employer most likely has the legal right to fire the employee.

        Should She / Shouldnt She be fired was the question posted in the OP.

        I think she shouldnt be fired.

        I think any asshole who wants to make a free speech point by going to Chick Fil A and feeding their face with hormone-poisoned chicken to protect the right of some millionaire dickhead to prevent my friends and family members from being legally married is two things:

        1. An American citizen with a right to free speech expressed by buying shit food for a shit cause

        and

        2. An asshole.

        The statists are the commenters in this thread applauding a private employer for firing a private citizen for speech disrespectful to the state (the state being the military in this case). I’m not saying people don’t have a right to be all state-worshipping, just saying that it’s not very liberal.

        Do you seriously not understand the difference between these two statements:

        “I dont think she should be fired for that bad joke she made.” (my belief)

        “I dont think her employer has the right to fire her for that bad joke she made.” (the tenet of the law as I understand it is that her employer most certainly DOES have the right to fire her)

        Because if that’s what you define as logical inconsistency you have a lot to learn about logic.

        • angienc says:

          Hmm, that’s a lot of words to try to excuse your inappropriate reference to statism (which you still don’t seem to clearly understand because the woman didn’t lose her liberty, she lost her job).

          I do, however, appreciate the audacity of your intellectual dishonesty with the Chick-Fil-A example, which actually involved city governments/government officials threatening to withhold permits/warning franchisees not to think about opening stores in their cities, with this story as part of your accusation that I am the one with the ‘logic’ problem.

          Honorable mention goes to your ability to make the Chick-Fil-A thing ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!!! Color me shocked on that one.

          I would say a little bit of knowledge is truly a dangerous thing, but it’s not clear to me at this point that have even a little bit.

        • Not that many words.

          You keep applying “statism” to the woman. I was referring to the commenters here.

          I never said she lost her liberty. I know she lost her job. I know her employer has the right to fire her.

        • carol haka says:

          AngieNC, are you capable of making your point without being rude and hostile to the person you are engaging? 👿

  19. HELENK says:

    #SFBOS pass legislation expanding San Francisco nudity ban 6-5.

  20. fif says:

    So much for having a sense of humor. People really need to lighten up.

  21. myiq2xu says:

    Ruh-roh!

  22. angienc says:

    Hmmm, this link is very interesting:

    • votermom says:

      I swear this election is banana republic stolen. I don’t care if that makes me sound like a crazy tinfoil hattie.

      • angienc says:

        Word.

        The complete silence on it is to marginalize any who *do* question it as crazy. Never mind we have the Dems committing voting fraud on the floor of their convention this year (putting “God” & “Jerusalem” back into platform).

  23. HELENK says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/20/obama-admin-announces-6-billion-to-promote-clean-energy-in-asia/

    after all the failures in this country with taxpayer money, mr cellophane decides to spend it overseas

  24. gxm17 says:

    Thank you, Ms. ____ ____, my boss of 20 years, for not firing me when I forwarded you, a Jewish woman, that tasteless image of Bill Gates in what I thought was Chairman Mao garb (because I wasn’t really paying attention) and, instead, he was Photoshopped as Hitler. Thank you for not even mentioning my idiocy but, especially, thank you for not firing me on the spot. The world needs more bosses like you (but anyone who has ever worked for you knows that).

    We all do dumb things. Most of us realize it too late. We don’t need to lose our jobs over it.

    • votermom says:

      You are lucky – seriously. Talk to someone who works in HR for a big company – computer/internet usage policies are draconian.

      • gxm17 says:

        Well, thank heavens, I work for a (real) liberal. I also work in a creative environment where censorship is giving up and giving in.

        • votermom says:

          Something to be thankful for this Thursday. (I am sincere in this. 23 million Americans do not even have a crappy boss)

        • gxm17 says:

          Agreed. I absolutely know how lucky I am. I took the job with my company specifically to work for the woman CEO because I had heard so much about her. Most designers choose to work here for our reputation and awards, I wanted to work for the woman behind it all. I had bounced around from studio to studio for over 10 years. (And, man, I worked in some hostile environments.) Started to work here and never looked back. I am grateful daily.

        • votermom says:

          I’m glad. 🙂

      • jjmtacoma says:

        Not just that but they record keystrokes and can see all your files saved on any company computer. You can be fired for keeping material on your computer that you never sent out.

  25. yttik says:

    LOL, I’ve just concluded that my life has really sucked and my job history is atrocious! Seriously, I’ve watched many people get fired over far less stupid things then this and yes, it’s been very unfair, but if you work for an at will employer, that is the way it goes. Employers are not obligated to stay in a relationship with you. It’s kind of like a no fault divorce, you don’t have to stay married to somebody you don’t like. You don’t even have to have a good reason to not like them!

    This particular woman embarrassed her entire company, posted a photo on facebook, attracted attention from the press, and launched an entire protest movement against her! Let’s stop bashing the big bad employer for their unfairness.

    • angienc says:

      It’s a butt-chugging world yttik — we don’t need no professional standards! Participation trophies for all!

      Hey, I know — maybe this idiot’s decision to post this picture on FB is just her acting out for feeling unappreciated at work –her boss should have given her a raise!!

    • gxm17 says:

      So when Obama is installed for life, it’s okay for all of us to be fired? IMO, this is no different than ObamaNation censorship practices.

      • yttik says:

        Oh heck, gxm, I seriously don’t understand the sympathy for this woman! If people are concerned about employment discrimination, they should be fighting for all the women who are fired because they turned 40! Yeah, this is a real thing in my world. Sorry honey, you’re over the hill now and we’d like a fresh face! Another real thing in my world, people being forced to work off the clock and not paid overtime. Or how about the people not paid at all when a company goes bankrupt and the state seizes assets including payroll?

        You know the last time I had some employee rights?? Back in the day when we had less regulations and more jobs. Funny how that works, but when people actually have choices, they tend to tolerate less abuse. You know what people have to tolerate right now? ANYTHING that enables you to get some sort of a paycheck.

        Anyone of these people would give everything to have this woman’s job and they sure wouldn’t be stupid enough to post idiotic pictures on facebook and embarrass their employers.

        • gxm17 says:

          Actually, yttik, I’m from “back in the day,” and “back in the day” no one got fired for offensive jokes. I know because I endured them. One creep used to hand out paychecks based on breast size, and loudly announced it every week. They also didn’t get fired for grabbing my body parts, calling me “sweetie” and “honey” or asking me to get them coffee (even though I didn’t drink coffee, didn’t know how to make coffee, and it wasn’t part of my job description).

          I’m all for protections against ageism, being for forced to work off the clock, and employers who use part-time status as a way to avoid paying benefits. Power to the working people! That doesn’t mean I have to support censorship of this woman’s FB joke.

          Now, if my employer is an obot, do you really feel it is ethically okay for them to fire me because I am vocally anti-Obama?

        • yttik says:

          “Now, if my employer is an obot, do you really feel it is ethically okay for them to fire me because I am vocally anti-Obama?”

          Yes, I’m afraid so. People really don’t have the right to be vocally anti-obama at work and they certainly don’t have the right to do it in a way that is public and brings embarrassment upon their employer. Is it ethical to embarrass your company, a company that depends on it’s public reputation and ability to draw customers from all walks of life?

          There was a girl fired recently for criticizing Obama. I think it also involved making racist threats. Yes, it was completely ethical to fire her.

        • gxm17 says:

          So when my employer says “Obama is great” and I say “Not so much,” then I should be fired? IMO, that is getting awfully close to a totalitarian environment.… Gawd, we really are a corporate totalitarian state. We have arrived!

  26. HELENK says:

    there used to be a bookkeeping item, called Good Will it had a monetary value when counting company assets.
    think about it , what did this flake do to the company’s “good will”.
    how many future customers did she cost the company? Would you want any of your relatives in any of their care facilities, knowing the lousy judgement of some of their employees?

    yes she has the right( that the person in that grave, gave their life to protect) to be disrespectful. But her employer has the right to get rid of someone who besmirches their name and profit.

  27. tommy says:

    Actions have consequences. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. But it finally boils down to…..you can’t fix stupid.

  28. carol haka says:

    My Synthroid is $25 a month after insurance. My Mother’s medicine is around $300 a month. Unless someone wants to cover necessary medications to sustain life at 100%, people can pay for their own damn birth control – I did when it was a hell of a lot more expensive. 🙂

  29. jjmtacoma says:

    I have friends who post pictures while they are on vacation – even saying where they are and how long they will be gone. It is like “Hey, if anyone wants to rob me… now would be a great time!”

    Facebook for some people is kind of like the person in the car behind you digging for gold while waiting in traffic. It cracks me up because they apparently forget the two way nature of car windows.

    Maybe if enough stupid people get fired they will eventually figure out that Facebook is NOT private communication that only your “friends” see.

    • HELENK says:

      you said upstairs that you were lucky enough to have a great boss who was very liberal. that is great. do you have the right to cost your company money and not get fired for doing so?
      I do not know any company that gives their employees that right.

      yes the employee had the right to disrespect a monument to freedom.

      but please understand when she made it public and impacted her employer they had the right to fire her for doing so.

      • HELENK says:

        sorry that was for gxm17

      • gxm17 says:

        do you have the right to cost your company money and not get fired for doing so?

        I cost my company money every time I take a sick day. Or a vacation day. (And if I had health insurance through them, I’d cost them there too.)

        It just so happens that, this afternoon, when my boss found out the extent of my husband’s medical condition (I didn’t tell her, one of the partners must have), she sent me a personal message to “take as much time as you need.” No “right to cost the company” about it: Everyone deserves a boss like this.

        • HELENK says:

          maybe I should have rephrased that question.
          do you have the right to cost your company customers?

        • gxm17 says:

          IMO, there’s a difference between online petition-generated witch hunt and being rude to a client. But that’s just me.

          But, no, I think people should always try to be on their best behavior with clients or the public when at work, but I also think there needs to be some leeway for one (personal) mistake versus a history of bad behavior in a professional environment. (And for all we know, this woman did have a history of unprofessional actions but, IMO, the joke was on her personal FB page not the company’s FB page.)

  30. gxm17 says:

    Welcome to Facebook Nation: Where you can “like” an incompetent asshat into the presidency (twice!) and you can have someone you don’t know fired for posting a joke you don’t like.

    • votermom says:

      Where you can “like” an incompetent asshat into the presidency (twice!)
      Ayup. That’s exactly what they did.
      And now they’re all shocked that he’s gonna raise their taxes and stuff.

  31. HELENK says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/20/Two-State-Party-Nearly-30-of-House-Democrats-Hail-From-CA-and-NY

    I thought this was interesting
    most of house dems from two states California and New York

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  34. votermom says:

    😯

    • angienc says:

      Ha, ha — I can’t let my mom see that — she’s already so paranoid she refuses to check the organ donor box on her DL & made me & my brother promise not to check the box on ours– she’s convinced that when docs see that box checked, they let patients die on purpose to get their organs.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I hate when that happens.

  35. ME says:

    “I would imagine that you make over $20,000? I seldom did and still don’t; plus as a former single Mother, I paid virtually no income taxes. One can scale down and live simply; and if one freelances, unless they are very successful, their operating costs will generally expunge most profit. In other words, I don’t personally share this guilt. I would have preferred to have had more success as a writer, however, you’ve identified the caveat in the downside of matters”

    Found at commondreams, and there are others like it. So tell me WHO exactly is paying taxes? This is further proof that the “rich” are paying well over their fair share…

  36. votermom says:

    • angienc says:

      Ha! The silver lining we’ve all missed– Obama’s reelection is like a stay of execution for Bo.

    • carol haka says:

      PETA kills 10’s of 1000’s of animals every year. They should shut up about people eating what God provided for sustenance. 🙂

  37. tommy says:

    The best part is when the arm popped up from the grave and grabbed her ankle, dragging her back down into the abyss.

  38. votermom says:

    #ApologizeMcCain is trending on twitter — unacceptable!

  39. angienc says:

    Well looky here, for some strange reason, Slate is pointing out that Obama refused to answer the “how old is the earth” question back in 2008. Is the fix in for Rubio in 2016 (hence the, IMO, suspicious tanking of Romney by GOP)?

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/11/rubio_and_obama_and_the_age_of_earth_politicians_hedge_about_whether_universe.single.html

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