Barbarians and Savages

Mail Online:

Six Israeli ‘spies’ executed before baying mob in Gaza City, before motorbike gang drags one bloodied victim through the streets

Six men accused of being ‘Israeli spies’ were dragged through the streets of Gaza City and executed in front of a chanting mob today as Israel warned Palestinians to evacuate some areas of the territory in apparent preparation for a ground invasion.

Witnesses said the six were taken to an intersection in the north of the city where they were summarily shot for providing intelligence that helped Israel pinpoint key figures in Hamas and the Islamic Jihad targeted by their warplanes.

The names of the men are said to have been scrawled on the road after they had been questioned by Hamas security officials about who provided the ‘human intelligence’ necessary to pinpoint targets for ‘precision’ attacks that have 118 Palestinians – half civilians, including women and children, dead – in seven days of military operations.

Hamas Aqsa radio quoted a security official as saying the men had been ‘caught red handed’ with ‘hi-tech equipment and filming equipment to take footage of positions.’

Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City in a warning to others who ‘betrayed’ Palestinians.

The Palestinian group Hamas really needs to hire a PR firm. The strategy they have been pursuing has been aimed at influencing public opinion in their favor. They hope to persuade foreign governments (including ours) to apply political pressure on Israel or to cut off military aid.

Civilized people are rightly horrified by atrocities. Throughout history civilized people have dealt with barbarians and savages the same way they dealt with wolves. You don’t negotiate with wolves or treat them as equals, you hunt them down and kill them.

Walter Russell Mead:

Thus when television cameras show the bodies of children killed in an Israeli air raid, Jacksonian Americans are sorry about the loss of life, but it inspires them to hate and loathe Hamas more, rather than to be mad at Israel. They blame the irresponsible dolts who started the war for all the consequences of the war and they admire Israel’s strength and its resolve for dealing with the appalling blood lust of the unhinged loons who start a war they can’t win, and then cower behind the corpses of the children their foolishness has killed. The whole situation strengthens the widespread American belief that Palestinian hate rather than Israeli intransigence is the fundamental reason for the Middle East impasse, and the television pictures that drive much of the world away from Israel often have the effect of strengthening the bonds between Americans and the Jewish state.

This automatic Jacksonian response to the Middle East situation overlooks some important complexities in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and in the past America’s Jacksonian instincts have gotten us into trouble. But anyone trying to analyze the politics of the Middle East struggle as they unfold in American debates needs to be aware of the power of these ideas about war in American life.

In any case, when Israel brings the big guns and fast planes against Gaza’s popguns and low tech missiles, a great many Americans see nothing but common sense at work. These Americans aren’t mad about ‘disproportionate’ Israeli violence in Gaza because they don’t really accept the concept of proportionality in war. They think that if you have jus ad bellum, and rocket strikes from Gaza are definitely that, you get something close to a blank check when it comes to jus in bello.

Pictures like the ones in this post do more harm to the Palestinian cause than an Israeli tank division.

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66 Responses to Barbarians and Savages

  1. OldCoastie says:

    I am speechless.

    How perfectly awful.

  2. myiq2xu says:

  3. cj says:

    Netanyahu — “Today a great battle is being waged between the modern and the medieval.”

    It’s the same dark force that targets a 15 year old girl for assassination just because she has the audacity to want to go to school. And exactly what do these monsters want? They want Israel gone, but then what? If that tiny sliver of western democracy no longer existed, then what?

    • votermom says:

      After the Little Satan is gone, then Allah will destroy the Great Satan. (That’s us)

      • cj says:

        And if the US was gone? I see nothing but a world of eternal tribal warfare with the raving lunatic mullahs trying to out-do themselves in their number of religious atrocities.

        • yttik says:

          America really does have an important role in the world. Many people today seem to view the US as a great oppressor, who goes around mucking in the affairs of peaceful and civilized people who are just trying to live simple lives of goodness. It’s a very distorted view of the world. I think if we did a better job of teaching history, rather then carrying on about creationism/evolution, people’s entire perspective would change.

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  5. carol haka says:

    Hamas already has a PR Firm named the Obama Administration. Maybe you missed Hillary’s “Leave those Moviegoers Alone” speech yesterday in Israel. Meanwhile back to reality, Hamas has figured out to overcome the Iron Dome and over 50 rockets and missiles landed yesterday and overnight. 20+ injured in bus blast – only a few critically injured – others just had their ear drums burst, schrapnel wounds, shock …. 👿

  6. votermom says:

    post from an IDF officer

    My response to some of the talk out there: Have people gone mad?!
    by Captain Barak Raz, IDF Spokesperson’s Unit on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 at 5:35am ·
    After seeing all of the responses on Twitter during the ongoing situation – the rockets, the military actions of Israel, and most recently, the bus bombing in Tel Aviv – I only have one thing to say: have people gone mad!?

    The fact that some in this world really equate between the acts of Hamas and the act of IDF, is astonishing. How can the two even be equated on any plane – moral, legal, political? I am not naive, and I am not blind. I am well aware of the fact that there are those who protest Israel – from this operation to overall policies, I know there are those who don’t agree with us (I’m purposely leaving out those who deny Israel’s right to exist, which is at this point, simply ridiculous, considering we aren’t going anywhere).

    But, to justify an organization like Hamas? To elevate it or even equate it to the same level as the Israeli government or military? And then to go as far as equating Israel’s military actions to terror attacks deliberately targeting civilians?? THIS is insane!

    Israel does NOT target civilians. Period. Does that mean that some are not regrettably caught in the crossfire? Unfortunately, and it is saddening, the answer is that there are. As we learn from this military action, and every throughout history, there is no military action without uninvolved casualties. We do everything in our power to avoid it – be it years of restraint despite ongoing rockets, or during the military action itself, where we do everything to choose targets based on intelligence. But, yes, casualties do happen, and yes, it is very saddening to anyone with a heart and a conscience – This is why military action should always remain a last resort – and I have no doubt that in this case it is. In addition to all that, don’t forget all that we are up against with the methods employed by Hamas to extract civilian casualties on its own side, on top of the civilian casualties it seeks to create on ours!

    Nevertheless, there is a huge difference between the unintentional, unwanted harm to the uninvolved noncombatants to the deliberate, intentional targeting of civilians! Anyone who thinks that we act as Hamas acts, or desire death in the way they do, is simply confused at “best,” or advancing blood-libels, “at worst.”

    Feel free to read my other notes, related to the current Operation Pillar of Defense (Why military action is ALWAYS a last resort: ; WHO did you say started all this? and others.

    • carol haka says:

      It’s the same liberals that can’t make the connection between the Israelis being told to lay back and enjoy it and their outrage at a rape vicim being told the same thing when it’s deemed inevitable. 👿 Terrorists don’t seem to bother them that much. Oh shit, I didn’t mean to call that bus bombing a terrrorist act as it was surely an auto accident! 👿

    • piper says:

      Thx for sharing.
      Yesterday at book club our discussion moved from the book, American Dervish about a Muslin family living in Milwaukee, to the conflict in the mideast. I was surprised but not shocked at the level of misinformation about Israel, the Palestinians, Gaza and the West Bank which some think are one area instead of being at different ends of Israel. About half or less than half see Israel as being the problem, some wanted a good book about the land division after WW1 while some preferred to talk about the holidays.

      After seeing a thread on JWS blog, I asked this question but received only 1 non answer so I’d like to hear others’ responses but before you think I’m anti semitic I’ll share that I’m the daughter of Holocaust survivors.

      If Israel and all Jews were wiped out, who – which group would people then hate or focus all their craziness on?

  7. myiq2xu says:

    I have never tried base jumping.

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  10. DeniseVB says:

    Politico just kick started the 2016 GOP primary :

    Fodder for the left to start attacking so they don’t have to defend Obama’s truthiness ? Squint your eyes and you can almost see the bullseyes 😀

  11. votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      Reminds me of a funny comment I saw the other day on Ace, “makes me wish I were a Democrat so I can say something sexist, bigoted, misogynist or racist right now”.

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  13. votermom says:

    Check out this cartoon

  14. DeniseVB says:

    I see that the “we’re just a middle class family” Bidens are spending their traditional Thanksgiving on Nantucket Island. Good thing he’s a Dem, right? /sarc

  15. votermom says:

    I don’t know enough about the Newark players, but this is interesting

    • DeniseVB says:

      I follow Cory Booker on twitter, he’s such a hoot, really engages his constituents and their problems. I think my favorite was during a blizzard he was out riding with the road crews clearing snow and asked if anybody was stuck, tweet their location. He always tweeted back, we’re on the way !

  16. swanspirit says:

    My dog Fetchers was a big yellow lab, he was tolerant and good natured . One day we , Fetchers and me, went with a friend to fly kites in the park . Out of nowhere , this pint sized fuzzy little tiny terrier dog trotted up. He started nipping at Fetchers back legs .
    Fetchers turned and barked at him . Fuzzy dog did not stop . kept nipping and biting . Fetchers would put up with it for about 5 minutes or so , then turn and growl at him. Fuzzy dog would not stop . This went on for about 45 minutes to an hour , at which point , Fetchers did something I had never seen him do before or afterward .
    He turned around and grabbed Fuzzy dog by the neck and shook him . Now when I say shook him, I mean shook him.
    If you hold your arm outstretched , and hang your hand limply . and then shake it as hard as you can as if you were trying to shake your hand off your arm for about 2 minutes , that is how hard he shook him , and then he let go and threw him to the ground.
    The little Fuzzy dog just laid there , and I thought his neck was broken and he was dead. He laid there not moving and I really thought he was dead . When my friend and I went to see if the Fuzzy dog was dead , ( Fetchers was totally unconcerned ) the little dog jumped up and ran away as fast as his little legs could carry him to a house across the street from the park. Naturally we went to the home to make sure the little dog was ok , and we met the dog’s owner , who was a very nice old man . The Fuzzy dog was was a little shaken /snark ; but otherwise just fine , not even any skin broken , although he would not even bark at Fetchers anymore . who was waiting for us on the porch. The owner of Fuzzy dog was pretty philosophical about the whole thing , and said , well . I guess the little guy just learned
    a good lesson. I was glad he was ok.
    Fetchers ignored the little dog and just wanted someone to play Fetch .
    I think my Fetchers was Jacksonian 😉

  17. piper says:

    I realize that this is not an open thread but…………….

    Re the young lady who was fired for facebook posting – was she really fired for this or were there other inappropriate behaviors that resulted in her firing.

    Want to wish everyone Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

    off to partake in the craziness of the holiday – clean house, eat, laugh, fight then clean house again.

    • tommy says:

      Looks like noone answered your question, piper. The young lady was fired for her facebook post, and no other wrongdoing. She shouldn’t have done it on the organizations dime. You want to be disrespectful, or stupid, or a douche, do it on your own dime. No organization is gonna tolerate such stupidity.

  18. jjmtacoma says:

    I think Israel has show restraint in the face of Hamas (and the PLO before that) terrorist attacks over the years.

  19. tommy says:

    Honk, honk, honk! Lol, swanspirit.

  20. myiq2xu says:

    Is it just me or is it way too early to be discussing Campaign 2016?

  21. votermom says:

    So this happened 2 yrs ago – had to get a FOIA to get it public?

  22. angienc says:

    Remember in the Iliad when Achilles drags Hector’s lifeless body in front of the gates of Troy?
    Well, most don’t because no body reads the classics anymore — but anyway, mistreatment of the dead has long been seen as shameful by society — something only savages do. By desecrating Hector’s body, Achilles brought dishonor on himself and was no longer the great warrior to be admired. It also brought down the wrath of the gods on him.
    And Hamas sure as hell are not on the same heroic level as Achilles.

  23. carol haka says:

    OT. If I had known Ryan was always going to be working, i would have poo pooed a career in film and pushed him to be an accountant. Can I ask fema for damages for Sandy because he has to stay in NY and make up for the lost week of school? 😥

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