Open Thread : Problem Solved !

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As my friend at Bluebird asks, which sign is more affective ?

I remembered my twin grandgirlies staring public school in South Florida, it was behind a barricade of high wire fences with a touch of barbed wire. The front office was armed as a back up. The middle/high school across the street simply had visible armed guards. This district voted for Obama. Sweet hypocrisy, eh?

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33 Responses to Open Thread : Problem Solved !

  1. DeniseVB says:

    As as far as that silly TSA patting down grandmas and kids in wheelchairs, two credit cards pressed together can slice a throat.

    Thanks to Tim McVeigh, we haven’t outlawed fertilizer yet? Why not, it sure would help our environment more than Solyndra? Oh wait….

    • angienc (D) says:

      Dick Durbin (D — Fantasyland) said that Sandy Hooks is the 9/11 of gun control advocates.

      I guess I missed the part where they outlawed planes after 9/11.

  2. 49erDweet says:

    Sign on the right is a great solution, but we don’t want to deal with the real problem – what to do about mental illness – we’d rather blame inanimate objects than accept responsibility for our misguided “feel good” efforts. But we all know this.

    • yttik says:

      Mental illness is part of the problem, but I still don’t think that tells the whole story. The worst school tragedy was in 1927 killed 38 kids, wounded 58 more, and involved explosives not guns. The perpetrator was the school board treasurer, allegedly upset because he had lost an election and the economy was bad. Was he mentally ill? I have no idea, but mental illness and violence don’t necessarily go hand in hand.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Good point, though I suspect the treasurer had slipped more than a cog or two. But then and now that question would have been moot if the classroom teachers involved had been “carrying”. And, yes, most teachers wouldn’t want to. But “more” are not “all”, and we set schools up for disaster when we proudly proclaim them as “gun free” zones. Translation: Easy pickings for any nut with a gun.

  3. votermom says:

    I approve of that second sign. 🙂

    • DeniseVB says:

      I have no problem with that second sign either. We’ve had an ADT sign in front of our house for 15 years, we’re fine, can’t imagine how much money we’ve saved never actually been connected to it. Though since 2008, my NRA lovin’ hubby wants to replace the sign with “Nothing in this house is worth dying for”. Same husband who once greeted our daughter’s dates while sharpening an axe. 😉

  4. angienc (D) says:

    Found this on AoSHQ — it’s a must see:

  5. votermom says:

    • DeniseVB says:

      I heard about that on Rush today (disclaimer: during my daily walkies, Rush is the only thing that gets me through my 4 miles) <—not that I agree with him, but he does entertain me from the dark side 😉

  6. votermom says:

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Sidebar: I see Kerry and Dukakis are replacing something, something. Am I the only one laughing at “Forward” ?

  8. piper(?) says:

    Neither sign is appropriate for schools – we’re supposed to be a learning environment. I would be very concerned about the possibility of a student getting a hold of a gun in a teacher’s desk and using it accidentally or on purpose. If the gun is locked away would a teacher have enough time to grab the key to unlock the desk while at the same time calming her students and getting them to safety. Remember schools also have disturbed kids who don’t do well in stressful situations, some won’t listen and sadly some will act up. The tragedy of Newtown could turn into more suffering if supposedly simple solution are applied without any real consideration to students and schools.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Lots of good, safe ways to mitigate that, so your point while important does not prevent that from occurring. What DOES cause a problem, however, is the vain pride many educator-types take in advertising their facilities as unprotected. That’s really weird. The slogan “An armed society is a polite society” refers to evildoers not actually knowing who might or might not be armed, thus exercising some degree of caution before they commence doing evil. Somehow one would think intelligent educators would understand that principle, but alas it seems to be beyond their pay grades.

  9. DandyTiger says:

    I know it’s unnerving, upsetting, and scary, but statistically speaking, the chances of a crazy shooting up your kids school is close to zero. So we don’t need either. Though I’d lean towards the one on the right. Case in point, the Colorado movie theater killer tried several theaters first before settling on the one he did his deed, skipping those that had guards.

  10. Mary says:

    Jaysus. RD’s babbling about the shooter’s Mom being a crazy survivalist “like Glenn Beck.”

    Was she always this nuts and we just didn’t see it?

    • DeniseVB says:

      Glenn Beck has been a buzzword for the attack dog lefty failure since 2007. I never had a problem with him. Nice guy.

    • gxm17 says:

      Somebody who claims to have known Nancy Lanza was quoted as saying something to that effect. It is completely unverified and, IMO, just more of the misinformation this tragedy has generated. But that’s where RD is getting it from.

    • angienc (D) says:

      She’s lost it slowly ever since the 2008 election — the results didn’t “vindicate” that she was *right* and the realization that she no longer belonged to a tribe began eating away at her. Then she lost her job & OWS came along & she jumped over the edge willingly.

  11. votermom says:

    • votermom says:

      SO IF WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A “NATIONAL CONVERSATION ON GUNS,” HERE ARE SOME OPENERS:

      Why do people who favor gun-control call people who disagree with them murderers or accomplices to murder? Is that constructive?

      Would any of the various proposals have actually prevented the tragedy that is the supposed reason for them?

      When you say you hope that this event will finally change the debate, do you really mean that you hope you can use emotionalism and blood-libel-bullying to get your way on political issues that were losers in the past?

      If you’re a media member or politician, do you have armed security? Do you have a permit for a gun yourself? (I’m asking you Dianne Feinstein!) If so, what makes your life more valuable than other people’s?

      Do you know the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi-automatic weapon? Do your public statements reflect that difference?

      If guns cause murder, why have murder rates fallen as gun sales have skyrocketed?

      Have you talked about “Fast and Furious?” Do you even know what it is? Do you care less when brown people die?

      When you say that “we” need to change, how are you planning to change? Does your change involve any actual sacrifice on your part?

      Let me know when you’re ready to talk about these things. We’ll have a conversation.

      UPDATE: John Lucas emails:
      Joe Scarborough, who claims to be a “proud NRA member” just said there is no reason to allow someone to have an “assault weapon” that shoots “30 rounds a second.”

      The ignorance is appalling.

      Well, yes. It’s MSNBC. But it is interesting that Scarborough — like Mark Shields and Rupert Murdoch — seems entirely ignorant of actual gun law. But to be fair, the National Firearms Act has only been around since 1934.

      • smile says:

        From the above excerpt: “If you’re a media member or politician, do you have armed security? Do you have a permit for a gun yourself? (I’m asking you Dianne Feinstein!) If so, what makes your life more valuable than other people’s?”

        I thought about this when Bengazi was fresh news and wondered how Obama would feel if he was left in Bengazi in the same manner that Amb. Stevens was left there. How is either one different? An ambassador represents the president in that foreign country, meaning that, the ambassador deserves the same respect and considerations from the host nation as if it were the president himself. I also think about this when I see photos of celebrities going about their daily activities and if you look carefully, they are being protected by bodyguards and ‘secret service lookalikes’.

        “Good for me, but not good for thee” is the attitude of those who cry the loudest for gun control.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    We don’t have to agree on everything, but I know most of us agree on common sense discussions on stupid politics, right?

  13. gxm17 says:

    As people have already pointed out, both signs are equally ineffective against a determined killer and a truck full of fertilizer.

    “Everyone should have guns!” is just as ludicrous as “No one should have guns!”

    • angienc (D) says:

      You keep saying that the counter to “No one should have guns” is “EVERYONE should have guns” — but no one is actually saying the 2nd one outside of the places you get your questionable sources about gun control, which also advocate uploading all of our health records in a national database so the government can more easily keep track of the “mentally ill.”

  14. HELENK says:

    got this from Rev Amy’s place

    help to start families healing

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2038386018001/

  15. votermom says:

    • yttik says:

      Knowing the American spirit of rebellion, the best way to fire up sales is to threaten to ban something. Prohibition sure got a lot of people interested in the alcohol.

  16. HELENK says:

    stolen from a commenter at No Quarter

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