Compare and Contrast – A Tale of Two Events


Here’s why there won’t be any new gun control laws anytime soon:

Small Protest Gathers in Front of NRA’s DC Office

Around 60 to 75 protesters appeared in front of the National Rifle Association’s headquarters in Washington D.C. on Monday afternoon. Chanting “shame on the NRA,” the the small group, led by the organization CREDO, met several blocks away from the NRA’s Capitol Hill office and marched up to the doors of the NRA building.

The protest, a reaction triggered by the deadly school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, started at noon and lasted until 1:30 PM.

Meanwhile:

Connecticut School Shooting Doesn’t Deter Crowd At Gun Show In Montgomery County

A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

If gun control advocates were hoping the scale of death at Sandy Hook Elementary School would dampen enthusiasm for the purchase of guns, the line of people waiting to get in to the Greater Philadelphia Expo Center was evidence to the contrary.

“It’s more crowded than it has been in the past.”

The crowd was diverse, there were even families with children, but none of the shoppers admitted to even a moment’s pause about guns after Friday’s mass murder in Connecticut. Terrible, they agreed, but unrelated to the shooter’s access to guns.


That looks like a lot more than 60-75 people in line. We live in a democracy where the majority rules.

We’ve been through this all before. The supporters of gun rights won.


People in line for admission to the Montgomery County gun show

People in line for admission to the Montgomery County gun show


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76 Responses to Compare and Contrast – A Tale of Two Events

  1. A thought occurred to me last night. We have thousands of unemployed veterans. Like my sister. She has the training. Hire her and arm her (and others like her- with appropriate psych screening first) to guard the schools.
    I guarantee she won’t miss and would give her own life to stop any maniac intent on harming children. And she would also be a huge deterrent to playground bullies.
    Poof! Unemployment goes down and our schools get safer.
    What? Hey, a lot of simplistic solutions have been thrown out there- I can throw too!
    Or do I need to put one of those (D)’s after my name?

    • votermom says:

      The problem with that proposal is that it might actually work to solve the problem. But what the media wants is an excuse for more executive power grabbing.

      • angienc (D) says:

        Yep.
        I’ve got a bridge to sell anyone who thinks that Obama cares about those poor children or mental illness.
        For the love of God, just look at his reaction pre-election to the CO shooting & contrast this with the “tears” that magically appeared from the outside corners of his eyes (the opposite side from where the tear ducts are, which we’re apparently not allowed to comment on).

  2. votermom says:

    The line to get into the gun show is why I love living in bitter clinger land.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Well, if a civil war does break out under Obama, I’m glad I’m on the side with the guns 😀

  4. DeniseVB says:

    This link came with a 30 second commercial, so if you don’t have time for such nonsense, here’s the skinny ….. Scorsese and HBO are making a film about Bill Clinton and assured us it’s with Clinton’s full cooperation. What a concept ! Too bad HBO didn’t require that of Game Change.

    http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/martin-scorsese-to-make-documentary-about-bill-clinton-for-hbo/

  5. angienc (D) says:

    Are you sure we live in a Democracy where “majority” rules?
    May 31,2008;
    Obamacare 12/24/2009;
    Floor vote at DNC 09/2012; and
    Nov. 6, 2012 (yeah, I’m going there: Obama “won” re-election this year the same way Putin “won” re-election & Hugo Chavez “won” re-election)

    The “pro-gun” Dem Senator from West Virginia who just got elected running an ad with him shooting a piece of legislation with a rifle, just sent out a tweet yesterday that the shooting “changed his view” on guns & that it was time for a “conversation” about the issue.
    Really — Obama made his intentions pretty clear at the 2nd debate about national gun laws & repeated them at his “greatest.speech.EVAH” (redux) on Sunday, plenty of people don’t know shit all about it & keep harping on the need to take away our Constitutional rights — the one written right there in the 2nd Amendment not merely in the vague “penumbras” (ala “the right to privacy”) for gun control despite all the evidence to the contrary that all that does is keep law-abiding citizens without them because they BELIEVE it is what is “best for everybody” )and the MSM with an assist from the Hollywood crowd is currently “flooding the zone” with that bullshit & milking the tragedy of those families to get all those low info voters on board)– what’s going to hold Obama back now that he has more “flexibility?”

    “It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards” ~Claire Wolfe

  6. yttik says:

    I think anything involving the word “control” is bound to fail in America. The Gov creates a lot of misery and unintended consequences trying, but in the end that American spirit of rebellion usually wins.

    If we want to change attitudes, a much more effective approach is education, raising awareness. Americans will change their views and attitudes and get on board with new ideas, but not through authoritarianism and control.

  7. Somebody says:

    I agree that gun control is a tough sell in the USA. The petition online for gun control has hundred of thousands of signatures, conversely there are millions of gun owners.

    In a normal world I’d agree with you that there is no way, but this is Obama and he fancies himself king/dictator, what have you. I assure you there will be something, whether by legislation or by executive order……it’s coming. Now will whatever it is stand up in court? Who knows after Obamacare did, but how long will it be before the court even hears the case if at all?

    True to Rahm form of never letting a good crisis go to waste, Obama will use this have no doubt. Back during the election with Benghazi right were accused of dancing on the graves of the fallen. The right was accused of politicizing the tragedy. Funny how the left doesn’t seem to feel that way about “politicizing” this tragedy.

    Benghazi involved foreign policy…….what was going on there, why didn’t the ambassador have the protection he asked for. It called into question Obama’s role as CIC, who gave the stand down order? It involved a false narrative pushed by the administration that turned out to be a lie. There were many issues revolving around Benghazi that the government had direct control over. I personally didn’t see asking relevant questions as politicizing.

    Flash forward to the CT tragedy, what specifically could the federal government have done? Short of confiscating every gun in this country or demanding anyone with any mental issues be locked up, what could the federal government have done? What control did they have? Even the issue of a guard at the school or the principal being allowed to carry is up to CT. I don’t know the laws in CT, but it may even be up to the town. Schools are run at a state or a local level.

    I could go on and on, but you get my point. Who is truly politicizing a tragedy……a tragedy I might add that involves the death of many small children. Knee jerk reaction laws are never a good idea, see the Patriot Act among others. Myiq, I hope you’re right, but I fear you’re wrong and we will see new laws very soon.

    • angienc (D) says:

      Schools are run at a state or a local level.

      Sssh — don’t tell the Department of Education (currently spending about 80 billion tax payer dollars a year).

      • Somebody says:

        80 billion in carrots and sticks. That money is spent on special education, low income schools and the free and reduced lunch program mostly. Beyond that the feds have very little say in schools; sure there is no child left behind and other assorted programs. But unless and until every child is taking the same test and being judged by the same standards…….then some children will be left behind, just saying.

  8. DeniseVB says:

    Hypocritcal Hollywood. How’s Preezy going to take the guns away if his biggest supporters make bloodlust films like this?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/17/Weinstein-cancels-LA-premiere-Django

  9. votermom says:

    turning the gun control argument around

  10. yttik says:

    Maybe rather than talking about guns, we should be talking about why we as a culture still promote using violence as a way to express ourselves? We’ve got our very own President saying, “they bring a knife, we bring a gun,” as if this were a perfectly reasonable analogy for having a political difference of opinion. We’ve got some nutcases right now calling for the murder of the NRA and the hypocrisy of that seems to sail right over their heads.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I remember years ago when NYC had a problem with token sellers in subways were robbed with the threat of pouring gasoline in the little tray in front of the bullet proof glass and lighting it.

      Evil always has a way.

      • votermom says:

        Imagine convenience stores / gas stations where owner doesn’t have a shotgun under the counter.
        Druggies would be lined up to rob them.

        • yttik says:

          I’ve never seen a convenience store with a sign on the door, “gun free zone, we’re unarmed!” That would be just silly.

        • votermom says:

          Basic common sense, right?
          So why do some school boards & principals endanger kids by posting signs that basically invite bad guys in?

          Btw, I’m stealing that as a tweet.

        • votermom says:

  11. votermom says:

    Just a hunch, as people will not be washing their reusable bags between grocery trips.

  12. HELENK says:

    isn’t it odd.
    holder wanted to arm the drug gangs who cross into the US from Mexico but take away guns from US law abiding citizens?

    this government wants to arm al qeda in Syria and refused to arm guards in Libya that could have protected US citizens

  13. votermom says:

  14. myiq2xu (D) says:

    It’s a metaphor for killing somebody.

    • Mary says:

      Shut the hell up, Erik. You’re not helping anything.

    • yttik says:

      It didn’t used to be a metaphor, it used to be reality. That’s what I mean about how our culture is actually becoming less violent, more civilized. There was a time in the recent past when we really did carry people’s heads around on a stick. The media, people’s perceptions, have turned everything upside down. Today we tend to believe that the past was an innocent and peaceful time and that it’s only recently that we’ve become violent and evil. There are actually people, Americans, who now believe America is a great evil, violent, unrestrained, uncivilized.

      You can’t solve problems when your understanding of history and your perceptions of who we are are all backwards.

      • Somebody says:

        HONK!!

      • angienc (D) says:

        Too good not to tweet to that ass (even though I’m 14 hours late):

        https://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2/status/281090933343285248

      • angienc (D) says:

        Sorry, but I had to steal your comment & mix it with some stuff of my own as the “history professor” post a blog “clarifying” (actually the word is “rationalizing”) his use of the “head on a stick” metaphor after, it seems, the police visited him for making the threat (in previous tweets he had called for the director of the NRA’s “head on a stick”). He’s very perturbed how dumb WE are for being offended by his use of “just a metaphor.”

        My (your) comment:

        Ah yes, today “head on a stick” is a metaphor — a metaphor for killing someone that used to not be a metaphor at all, but very literal. See, despite your protests to the contrary and the tragedies & violence that are still with us, our society has actually become LESS violent — we no longer walk around with people’s heads on a stick, displaying them at our city gates. . The media, people’s perceptions, have turned everything upside down. Today we tend to believe that the past was an innocent and peaceful time and that it’s only recently that we’ve become violent and evil. There are actually people, Americans, like you Mr. Loomis (a “professor!” for the love of all that is good & holy) who now believe America is some inherently evil, violent, unrestrained, uncivilized society. Compared to what, exactly, I wonder? Certainly not the past and certainly not other present day countries, such as –oh, Syria, for example, heck, not even compared to the UK whose rate of violent crimes is currently higher than ours (rising steadily & ironically enough since their total gun ban in the late 80s).

        You can’t solve problems when your understanding of history and your perceptions of who we are are all backwards. But alas, we’ve entered into the most aggressively ignorant period of human history since the Dark Ages.

        His bullshit rationalization can be viewed at the link:

        http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/12/on-metaphors-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-410955

    • catarina says:

      And where was this genius when Sarah Palin was blamed for Arzona?

    • angienc (D) says:

      OMFG! It gets better — after getting all huffy about people calling him out on his metaphor choice (and writing a post about it — linked in my post above), it turns out this ass was all kinds of outraged about Palin’s “target” map back during the Gabby Giffords incident (of course! Sweet, sweet vile prog hypocrisy!).

      While Jared Loughner it seems was not a right-winger in any normal sense, it is still entirely appropriate to point fingers at the violent right-wing rhetoric dominating the nation. Not only because such language can embolden the crazy, but because that rhetoric is wrapped up in the very real policies loosening gun laws so that people can have enormous clips of ammunition.

      Link here:

      http://alterdestiny.blogspot.com/2011/01/giffords-shooting-and-its-aftermath.html

      And according to his now deleted tweeter account, this “history professor” teaches a course in the “History of Sexuality” that includes a lecture on the history of the dildo.

      Good fucking Lord, no wonder these morons vote for Obama.

  15. myiq2xu (D) says:

  16. HELENK says:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/273393-report-obama-asks-cabinet-for-proposals-on-stemming-gun-violence

    backtrack asks cabinet for proposalson stemming gun violence Has biden head up committtee

  17. votermom says:

    Richard Engel is safe now, says he was kidnapped and psychologically tortured, but luckily Syrian rebels rescued him at a checkpoint.
    I’m glad Engel is safe.
    However, doesn’t this bear a striking resemblance to the supposed scenario that Ambassador Chris Stevens was supposed to go thru? The inferred conspiracy theory was that Obama gave the “Stand Down” order because Stevens was supposed to be kidnapped and then a group that the Obama admin wants to paint as good guys would rescue him.
    Except Murphy’s Law interfered.

    What do you think of my tinfoil tuesday thought?

    • myiq2xu (D) says:

      Stevens died of smoke inhalation. The attackers may not have even realized he was hiding in the building.

      • votermom says:

        Murphy’s law, as I said. It’s obvious that Obama had have had a reason to issue a stand down order – he was expecting a different outcome.
        My tinfoil theory is what if the Engel kidnapping is how it was supposed to go down?

      • Somebody says:

        How do you know Stevens died of smoke inhalation? There was no autopsy. That report came from the same administration that said an obscure youtube video was the root cause.

        I don’t doubt that was most likely the cause, but he was breathing when they pulled him out. Shame it took so long to get him to a hospital, but those “heroic” Libyans did the best they could. It’s usually more efficient to drive or carry someone to a hospital than to drag them, just saying. I’m sure the “heroic” Libyans did the best they could, bless their hearts.

      • angienc (D) says:

        I’ve got to go with Somebody — we only “know” Stevens died of smoke inhalation because we were told by the same people who said that mob that was dragging his body through the streets while taking pictures of it were good Samaratans who “carried him to get help” and that a YouTube video started it all.

        I’m not saying he *didn’t* die of smoke inhalation, but with a public autopsy report I have *no* reason to believe he did.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Benghazi’s still under the WH carpet isn’t it ? I’m not sure what’s up with Hillary but some of the media (probably not Obama’s) are requesting her medical records for the concussion. Also, was she under a doctor’s care for her bug that made her so dehydrated she fainted so hard she hurt her noggin too.

      She cancelled a full tour schedule and a congressional testimony, she’s third in line to the throne (I think?), shouldn’t we have more info on this mystery illness ?

    • Mary says:

      That’s incredible. $70,000??? And they didn’t pay any rent? God Almighty. Judge Judy’s right: this is what we’re creating.

    • myiq2xu (D) says:

      Wow! He got money from the government for rent and spent it on himself. She’s suing him for that money even though she never paid the rent either.

  18. driguana says:

    Amidst all of the sorrow and anguish over the death of so many innocent children, it’s hard to imagine how Adam Lanza’s father and brother must be feeling right now…..and they had to deal with the bodies of both the mom and the brother….the tragedy has so many sorrowful levels…

  19. foxyladi14 says:

    I thought there was a Sister too..

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