MSNBC’s The Cycle erupted into a heated verbal battle over the ethicality of drone warfare on Tuesday. Co-hosts S.E. Cupp and Steve Kornacki expressed serious reservations over a memo leaked to NBC News by the Justice Department detailing the legal framework that allows for the targeting and killing of an American citizen abroad by an unmanned drone. Touré, however, found his fellow hosts’ objections to be misguided, and repeatedly said he was “comfortable” with the White House’s guidelines governing drone warfare.

“It’s hard to say, ‘let’s not do things because we might radicalize other people,’” Touré said of his co-host’s objections to drone strikes.

“But that was the argument under Bush,” Cupp interjected.

“But when we say, ‘this person is leading Al Qaeda to do things’ – as soon as you join Al Qaeda, you become an imminent threat,” Touré added as his fellow hosts exploded.

Kornacki countered by saying that he was uncomfortable with the language in the DoJ memo which makes it clear that a drone strike can be authorized even if the subject of the strike does not pose an immediate threat to U.S. interests or personnel.

“I’m comfortable with that,” Touré said. “As soon as you join Al Qaeda, you are posing an imminent threat to the United States.”

“We’re in a post-geographical war with people who don’t wear uniforms and don’t play by the traditional rules of war,” he continued. “If we don’t attack them in the best way that we can…”

“Where are the limits?” Kornacki asked.

The panel erupted as the hosts wondered whether there is a bad precedent that has been set and other nations may deploy drones against U.S. servicemen or civilians in the future.

“Al Qaeda attacked this nation. We are attacking Al Qaeda back,” Touré explained. “There is no equivalent to Yemen attacking us.”

But wait! There’s more!

TOURE NEBLETT: We’re at war with al Qaeda right now, and if you join al Qaeda, you lose the right to be an American. You lose the right to due process. You declare yourself an enemy of this nation, and you are committing treason. And I don’t see why we should expand American rights to people who want to kill Americans, who are working to kill Americans, who are committing treason. This is not criticizing the United States. This is going to war against the United States.

See, the Obamadministration isn’t breaking the law – they just declare someone to be a non-person and then the constitution no longer applies.

Seriously though, how do you “join” al Qaeda? Is there an application you have to fill out? Is there an initiation? What about dues? I wonder about this because I’ve seen how easy it is for a kid to get assigned a “gang jacket” by the cops.

All they have to do is get identified hanging out with a “known gang member”. So if they are stopped while walking down the street with a cousin who is a “known gang member” guess what?

If belonging to al Qaeda is defined as “a Muslim who hates America” then that organization has millions of members.

Shouldn’t there be some due process rights for being stripped of your citizenship? Shouldn’t a court of law have to find you guilty of committing treason? Or does the President simply declare that you are no longer a citizen?

Someday there will be a Republican in the White House and Touré Neblett will care about the constitution again.

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65 Responses to AYFKM?

  1. jeffhas says:

    Toure’ must be French for ‘sellout’….

  2. Kim says:

    It’s probably more accurate to say “Someday there will be a WHITE PERSON in the White House and Touré Neblett will care about the constitution again.”

  3. votermom says:

    The Post Office will stop delivering mail on Saturdays to cut cost starting in August.


    • myiq2xu says:

      My mom is gonna freak out. The mail delivery is the highlight of her day. If she doesn’t get mail she’s really disappointed. Sometimes when it’s late she’ll call and ask if I got mail yet. Sometimes I lie and say it came early that day.

      One day she didn’t get her mail until almost 6 pm. She called me at least three times that day.

      • elliesmom says:

        My grandmother was like that. Our mailbox was at the end of a long driveway, and it was my job to pick up the mail and bring it in when the school bus dropped me off in the afternoon. I knew better than to forget, but sometimes I stayed after school, and she didn’t get her mail until later, and she groused at my mom for letting me stay after school. Even when she was healthy enough to do it, it never occurred to her to put on her shoes and go get it herself. I think deep down she enjoyed the anticipation as much as getting anything. Our mail is delivered around noon, which she would have liked, but the UPS lady never gets here until 6 PM or so. That would have driven her nuts. I don’t have a problem with the post office doing away with Saturday delivery. I don’t know why they don’t go to three day a week service and stagger the delivery M-W-F and T-T-S. As long as they deliver packages, like medications, for people every day, there shouldn’t be a problem for 99 44/100 of the people.

  4. votermom says:

    the horror

    • DeniseVB says:

      I had the news on earlier and heard part of this story … at first I thought they were killing real irons 😛

      • leslie says:

        I was, honest to goodness, ironing this morning when I heard it.
        I got ready for work and bleesed that we didn’t really get rid of irons for real. It’s the one chore/task I do that I actually enjoy.

  5. yttik says:

    Even the enemy has rights, even non citizens have rights. That’s one of the things that makes America such a great country, we have rules of engagement, due process, a commitment to justice. We may not be perfect, but we have strived to create these values. Nazi’s had trials, Saddam Hussein had a trial.

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  7. DeniseVB says:

    Hmmmm, the memo leaked to NBC ? How convenient. 😉

    • votermom says:

      I’ve been wondering about that too.

    • Somebody says:

      I thought the same thing about the leak and NBC, but I can’t for the life of me figure out the upside for the administration. Maybe it was NBC because we all know how cozy they are with the administration and hence wouldn’t arouse suspicion if somebody was being watched or thought they were.

      Could it be possible there is someone out there with a conscience? Someone deep inside the administraion? Of course it could have come from one of the career employees, most of them try to keep their heads low, but “leak” and whistle blow from time to time if they think something is completely egregious.

      I’m not sure, but I agree it’s interesting that it was NBC and that they aired it. I wonder how long they’ve had the memo? What made them decide to air it? All interesting points to ponder.

      So can anybody think of an upside for the administration? Besides lame stuff like making Obama look macho……..the election is over, so I don’t think it’s that. Perhaps to send some kind of message to someone? Maybe just to flex their muscles and let us know we’re all pawns??? Outside of those ideas, I really can’t see why the administration would willingly allow the memo to be leaked.

      • Mary says:

        Good questions. All I know is that Isikoff said the leak came from the DOJ—-maybe a career staffer who has a conscience.
        We may never know…

      • DeniseVB says:

        No outrage about the “treasonous leaker” ? Remember Valerie Plame’s CIA outing and the media going on a witch hunt for the leaker?

        This DOJ leak is so much worse than that …. our President is okaying killing citizens.

        If this “leaker” were truly concerned, wouldn’t he have leaked it to CNN or Fox ? NBC is Obama’s personal news agency and they should lose their broadcast license and take that insipid stepchild MSNBC with them. And that perv, Brian Williams, who gets his kicks watching his daughter “act” in sex scenes on “Girls” ….

      • Mary says:

        Another possibility: Maybe it’s an Obama supporter in the DOJ who objects to Brennan’s policy (I’m reading that he is the architect of this drone policy—per NYT), wanted it exposed, to pressure Obama to abandon same. Brennan’s confirmation hearing is tomorrow—maybe this person wanted to be sure the policy was part of the hearing—and NBC/MSNBC was the leaker’s favorite media source to pass it to?

        I’m not sure any of us know. But you’re right—it seems fishy.

        • lildoggy4u says:

          I agree that it was leaked to coincide with Brennan’s confirmation. I want to watch the session now to see our representative’s views on the subject. It should be telling. My problem with the whole drone thing is that any minute now drones will be targeting anyone and everyone anywhere. Technology like that cannot be kept secret for long. This administration has set the precedent now. So torture is not ok but blowing someone to smithereens is.

    • I can’t figure it out either. It makes no sense. Of course, releasing it to Fox would have killed the story for the rest of the msm forever. So why send it to the obamalovecorp?
      Something stinks.

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  10. DandyTiger says:

    Best thing about the new kill american’s power grab, it makes the gun control battle is over, because the government just admitted they can and will kill you.

  11. votermom says:

    At least I can watch Die Hard & RED 2 with a clear conscience

  12. fernschild says:

    Experience should be the best teacher, but many people are highly resistant. Stalin is still revered by a portion of the Russian population. There are those in this country who will never be moved to oppose Obama, whatever objective reality may show them.

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  16. HELENK says:


    for all the screaming about slavery, today’s backtrack lovers sure are willing to walk right into it aren’t they.
    take care of me, be my master, I am not smart enough to handle life on my own. they make me sick. All those who fought and died for freedom, must be so sickened.and the backtrack lovers are willing to give it up without a shot being fired

    • HELENK says:

      Iowa hawk

      David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

      @chrisrock If Obama is my dad, how come I’m the one paying the allowance?

  17. HELENK says:


    holder’s dept of crime seems to be getting carried away with power. seek life sentence for bishop who encouraged forced beard cutting

    • leslie says:

      You can give Illinois to anyone you want, Please just give me and my family notice so we can find a safe place to live. It’s getting more dangerous in Illinois by the minute. seriously.

  18. HELENK says:


    panetta recommends freeze on military salaries.
    last year the troops healthcare cost went up.

    I do not know any troops that get rich off their jobs, like politicians do

  19. HELENK says:


    I never listen to rush, but he is right about this.
    if Nixon had claimed the powers that backtrack is claiming, he could have wiped out bomber billy ayers

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