Tinfoil and Lead


Andrew Malcolm at Investors.com:

Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo?

In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents’ required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano’s agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That’s sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

The perceived need for so much ammunition in federal custody is especially strange given Obama’s double-barreled emphasis in his inaugural address on the approaching end in Afghanistan “of a decade of war.” And he also noted, “We, the people, still believe that enduring security and lasting peace do not require perpetual war.”

The lack of a credible official explanation for such awesome ammunition acquisitions is feeding all sorts of conspiracy theories, mainly centered on federal anticipation of some kind of domestic insurrection. Napolitano has at times alluded to threats from the extreme right-wing.

This story has been floating around for a while but I didn’t really want to touch it because it was floating on the fringes where tinfoil hat conspiracy theories originate. But apparently this one has legs.

I am trying to think up a reasonable explanation for why the federal civilian government is stockpiling so much ammo and I got nothing. It sure isn’t to bailout the ammo manufacturers because thanks to Obama they were already doing a booming business.

On the other hand the government doesn’t appear to be stockpiling weapons or hiring lots more pistol-packing agents. Just ammo. Stored properly modern ammunition stays good for decades.

Any ideas?

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21 Responses to Tinfoil and Lead

  1. 49erDweet (D) says:

    It’s too protect its base from eevill Tea Partiers, who as everyone knows are simply biding their time to slay all Obambam supporters in their beds. Extra heavy bandeliers are required for the freedom forces because – again as everyone knows – TPers are super difficult to bring down because of their alien DNA,

    • Lulu says:

      So it can be stolen? If something is hoarded there is always a good chance someone will figure out how to steal it. This kind of stuff has to be kept under the correct conditions so it is stashed in armories.It may be to have a psychological effect but the goobers know where the armories are because they or their buds work there. They also may think it is in secret locations but the locals know it is there. The Harvard boys always think they have a terrific and new idea on wrangling the population until it blows up in their face.

  2. Maybe the simplest answer- to create an ammo shortage? If they can’t get gun control laws passed- control the ammo by buying it up?
    Or is this part of his “jobs created and/or saved” initiative?
    I have no idea what kind of ammo goes in what guns. I sort of thought in the back of my mind that hollow point ammo is illegal?

  3. jeffhas says:

    This administration is Nixon on steroids.

    This is the tiniest of outlier stories, because the mainstream journ-o-lists won’t touch Obama…. And yet even this tiny story is scary… Makes you wonder what the really big stories would be like??

    Some day (I pray), someone will write about what really went on in this administration…. Sadly, it will probably be long afterward, and therefore regarded as ‘legend, folklore, or just plain sour grapes’….

  4. When I first read about the government purchase of ammunition I was baffled and apprehensive, but I thought the same as Lulu: “If something is hoarded there is always a good chance someone will figure out how to steal it.”. After Benghazi I thought the ammunition is secretly being sent to middle east. Now I am back to baffled and apprehensive.

    Over all one thought comes clear ! I wish that ammunition manufactures would follow the path of Olympic Arms and refuse to sell the government any more ammunition.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    I found an explanation from a Georgia Congressman, May 2012 :


    Looks legit to me.

    • jeffhas says:

      So why not just say that?

      “But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano’s agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries”

      … and, a purchase open purchase agreement like the one described usually comes with terms (like a revolving line of credit)… I’m semi curious to know the terms (interest rate?) – it states they are not required to buy the total, but it does not state there is a penalty at any minimum level….

      Anyways – your Government at work, I’m sure it’s all on the up and up, and that no one is grafting or getting any favors whatsoever…. What”s that you say? A Private Plane ride to the Dominican Republic? – why sure, I’m always down for a little friendly jaunt… why else would I want to go there?

  6. foxyladi14 says:

    no one is grafting or getting any favors whatsoever 😆

    Now that is a real Fairy Tale 😆

  7. wmcb says:

    I saw a govt talking head say that it was mostly for training: that all these agencies have enforcement arms that have to train at the range – which if you’ve ever done a lot of range shooting DOES run through tons of ammo.

    Still, seems excessive. Very.

    • piper says:

      So why did the Social Security Administration buy lots of ammo? Was it to protect their workers from us old people begging for our allotment?

  8. OldCoastie says:

    Stopped at my big ass gun store yesterday to buy some bullets for my little six shooter (that was taken out of the nightstand and cleaned while Dorner was on the loose around here) and it was astounding in the store. Almost NO ammo. Virtually NO handguns of any kind. Where there is usually several hundred handguns, now there are about 20… And this store is huge… I’ve never seen anything like it and have been through many periods of gun buying frenzy.

    Ammo was super expensive – like double what it cost a couple months ago. The guy behind the counter said that gun registrations in CA went from about 1300 registrations a day to over 7000. Ruger is now 2 years behind in production. Little old ladies are buying AR-15’s in pairs…

    Unbelievable! The only thing I can see is all Obama’s talk of gun control has put a massive amount of weapons in the hands of people who probably have no business holding a gun… And with the ammo shortage, no way to learn…

    I also learned that there is some sort of rule that the ammo manufacturers must abide that they have to supply first the federal government, then the police and whatever is left over goes to civilians… I didn’t know that before.

    I was going to go practice at the range, but now I’m thinking I shouldn’t waste the bullets.

    • Somebody says:


      The Feds come first, so if they make outrageously big orders the ammo manufacturers can’t keep up. They’re sending just about all they have to the feds, even some local police departments are dealing with back orders on their ammo.

      PMM is right, ammo shortage/control is back door gun legislation. They’ll never get the gun ban laws through Congress and they know it, so this is plan B.

      Also, in a technical sense one could have the opinion that the 2nd amendment gives you the right to own a gun, but the 2nd doesn’t cover ammo. I’ve heard that opinion put forth several times, well before Newtown or this latest gun/ammo buying craze.

      • gxm17 says:

        Absolutely. Control the ammo and you control the guns. (Unless, like my uncle, one has the knowledge and the desire to make one’s own bullets.) I’m pretty sure I mentioned this early on in the post-Sandy Hook gun debate: go after the ammo, not the guns.

  9. foxyladi14 says:

    this is plan B. You Betcha!!!! 😯

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