20 Years Ago Today

It was 20 years ago today that the Bureau of Alcohol and Firearms launched a raid on the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel outside Waco Texas. A bloody shootout took place, followed by a siege. When it finally ended 50 days later there were 86 people dead, many of them women and children.

On the two year anniversary of the end of the siege Timothy McVeigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as revenge for the raid, even though he was not associated with the Branch Davidians.

It would be an understatement to say the whole affair remains controversial. It is also a fertile topic for TFH conspiracy theories.

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66 Responses to 20 Years Ago Today

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Senator Jeff Sessions, yesterday:

    During my remarks today I have exhaustively documented the case against the confirmation of Mr. Lew. I have detailed his disastrous budget plans, rebuked by editorial boards across the country and unanimously rejected by Congress.

    I have discussed his repeated, knowing, and deliberately false statements about those budget plans–most notoriously his claim that “Our budget will get us, over the next several years, to the point where we can look the American people in the eye and say we’re not adding to the debt anymore; we’re spending money that we have each year, and then we can work on bringing down our national debt.”

    As I close my remarks, I would appeal to my colleagues to oppose Mr. Lew.

    I would appeal to my colleagues to defend the integrity of the Senate, to defend the right of our constituents to hear the truth from government officials, and to defend the idea, the very concept, of truth itself.

    I would also like to place this in a wider context.

    Today is the 1,400th day since Senate Democrats passed a budget. Why has this gone on so long? Because they decided it would be better to offer no solution, no plan to help struggling Americans, and instead to tear down anyone who dared to offer a plan to solve our nation’s economic problems.

    This is the heart of the problem here in Washington right now. We have one political party that sees the budget debate as exercise in political warfare, not problem-solving.

    At the center of this strategy is the White House.

    In his campaign for re-election, President Obama repeatedly said that he had a plan to “pay down our debt.” He even ran a campaign ad saying: “I believe the only way to create an economy built to last, is to strengthen the middle class—asking the wealthy to pay a little more so we can pay down our debt in a balanced way. So we can afford to invest in education, manufacturing, and home-grown American energy, for good middle class jobs.”

    But this is all totally false.

    Again, this was the strategy: offer a plan that does nothing to alter our dangerous debt course while pretending the opposite.

    Then, once you’ve done that, attack anyone who dares to reduce the size of the bureaucracy. Attack anyone who suggests Washington is too powerful. Attack, attack, attack–while never offering anything to help Americans who are struggling every day.

    After the White House budget was submitted in 2011, President Obama spoke at George Washington University and, with Congressman Paul Ryan sitting in front of him, and said:

    One vision has been championed by Republicans in the House of Representatives…It’s a plan that aims to reduce our deficit by $4 trillion over the next ten years…But the way this plan achieves [that goal] would lead to a fundamentally different America than the one we’ve known throughout most of our history…This is a vision that says up to 50 million Americans have to lose their health insurance in order for us to reduce the deficit. And who are those 50 million Americans? Many are someone’s grandparents who wouldn’t be able afford nursing home care without Medicaid. Many are poor children. Some are middle-class families who have children with autism or Down’s syndrome… These are the Americans we’d be telling to fend for themselves.

    Majority Leader Reid said of one Republican reform effort that it was “a mean-spirited bill that would cut the heart out of the recovery that we have in America today… It goes after little children, poor little boys and girls… We want them to learn to read.”

    This is how the White House and Senate Democrat leaders approach the budget debate. It’s the same strategy with the sequester. And Republicans, candidly, have not done enough to stand up to these egregious slanders. Voting against Jack Lew would be a vote against these dishonest tactics. These misrepresentations of fact.

    The painful truth is, the White House strategy has been largely successful up until now. President Obama and his Senate Majority have blocked fiscal reform and continued our path to fiscal disaster.

    It is time that we pointed out that the establishment they are shielding from cuts–the big-government apparatus they are defending–is hurting people every day. Their policies, their endless support of the bureaucracy, has created poverty and joblessness and dependency. In cities like Baltimore, Detroit, and Chicago–governed almost exclusively by Democrats at every level–good, hardworking people are hurt every day by the policies of the Left.

    * In the city of Baltimore, one in three children live in poverty. One in three Baltimore residents are on food stamps.

    * In Chicago, there were roughly 500 homicides in 2012. Fifty-one percent of the city’s children live in a single-parent family.

    * In Detroit, almost one in three households had not a single person working at any time in the last 12 months. The city’s violent crime rate is among the worst in the country. More than half of all Detroit children live in poverty.

    This should not happen. These are the consequences of leftist policies. We are fighting to create jobs, to create rising wages, to create opportunity, to help more people earn a good living and care for themselves financially. We are trying to lift people out of poverty, to strengthen family and community. And we are trying to protect the good and decent people of this country from a debt crisis.

    Where does Mr. Lew stand? Where does the White House stand?

    They did everything they could to defend the bureaucracy–no matter the cost in wasted tax dollars or lost jobs. Mr. Lew submitted an indefensible budget plan that would have caused further social and economic devastation, deliberately misled the nation about that plan, and then participated in a strategy to shut down GOP efforts at reform.

    I urge my colleagues to reject these tactics from the White House. I urge them to stand up for the good and decent people of this country and to oppose Mr. Lew.

    Jack Lew was confirmed as Secretary of the Treasury by the Senate on a 71-26 vote.

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  3. myiq2xu says:

    Pope Bennie is now officially retired.

    • Good Riddance. (I’m Catholic- I’m allowed lol) Never a good thing for the head of the Inquisition to take over the whole works.

      • wmcb says:

        I’m not Catholic, but a lot of my family is. I never cared much for him. I didn’t demonize him, but after John Paul (who despite his faults had such an obviously loving heart), he was a dry, dry stick.

        • votermom says:

          I’m Catholic, and I was still a Dem when he was elected. All the Dem media & bloggers were calling him eviil and a Nazi, so of course I decided I didn’t like him. But after a few years he failed to show eviil, and I don’t mind the changes he’s made – returning to some older forms in Mass, etc. I like him.

      • VM- lol I am the exact opposite- I HATE what he has done dragging the Mass back to the old form. Yuck.
        And his attitude about women needs a LOT of work lol. But then the hierarchy needs a remedial course on Jesus and his treatment of women.
        I would like to make them write on the blackboard a million times
        “Jesus appeared to a WOMAN first after the Resurrection.”

        • votermom says:

          Yeah, I think the Church is too conservative about women. But I think the Church is at least a generation behind – I think it will gradually change.

  4. Roberta says:

    If Barbara Tuchman was still alive she could add a brand new section to her book, The March of Folly.

  5. votermom says:

    I know Lanny Davis is more than “a reporter”, but it fits my #SaveTheReporters theme

  6. votermom says:

    I seem to keep crashing twitter. LOL.
    Actually, I think it is Benedict plus Woodward tweets overload

  7. votermom says:

    • yttik says:

      LOL! Actually we should try that. Send some hipsters in to talk about their feelings. Terrorists would be confessing just to shut them up.

    • Constance says:

      Damn she is annoying. Men 50 and over are the largest demo that watch Dunham’s show. So I guess they don’t find her annoying? Or men will watch anything if there is enough female nudity? I don’t get it. And I think it is really insulting that she is supposed to represent regular, real, young women.

      • Constance says:

        Also, again…. if women don’t watch it, it’s not “women’s content’ no matter what media men label it.

  8. votermom says:

    Gene Sperling? Never heard of him.

  9. OT- but something we occasionally discuss- damn useless cable stations


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  12. yttik says:

    Somewhere between Iran/contra, Waco, and Fast and furious, I wonder if maybe we shouldn’t ban our government from having guns? Not to mention a few questionable wars and things like Kent state.

    For some reason people don’t worry too much about our government’s irresponsibility with firearms, but if you think about it, they aren’t even qualified to pass a budget or defend an embassy, so why do we allow them to make decisions with firearms?

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  15. votermom says:

    John Nolte is keeping a journo-List as they out themselves on Woodward threatgate

  16. wmcb says:

    LMAO! My sister, who used to work as a hospital filing clerk, has a running list of stupid baby names she has seen. Uneeq, Jayzia, Tulisia, Chlamydia (yes, someone named a child that.)

    She says the new hot baby name is going to be “Sequester”.

    • elliesmom says:

      As a teacher I saw a lot of strange names. My favorite was “Yourmajesty”.

      • myiq2xu says:

        I once met a guy named Baby Moreno. That was his legal name.

        His parents were illiterate immigrants but he was born in the US. You know how hospitals put “Baby ______” on cribs in the maternity ward? His parents saw that and thought the hospital had named him so they didn’t change it. By the time they found out a birth certificate had been issued.

  17. votermom says:

    Dang, I’m in twitmo again. I hope twitter gives me an early release due to sequester cuts.

  18. Constance says:

    I can’t believe every channel has the Pope driving away right when I need traffic details! I’m supposed to be a Catholic and I can’t imagine what it would take to make a bunch of old men who think and act like Gods creation, women, are second class relevant.

  19. votermom says:

    Here’s the text of the Sperling email to Woodward ->


    and here is how I see it

  20. votermom says:

    Someone over at ace pointed out that two ppl coming out to say WH threatened them too – Lanny Davis & Ron Fournier, are both Clintonites.
    Maybe the fact that Hilary is out of the admin gives them more freedom.

  21. HELENK says:

    Iowa Hawk

    Remember when the press went DefCon apeshit when Bush press secretary said people “should watch what they say”? #GeneSperlingisapunkassbitch

  22. HELENK says:


    the most transparent administration in history now threatening and attacking.

    from this story bob woodward is not the first to be attacked

    • wmcb says:

      He’s correct. They couldn’t come up with an agreement on where and what specific things to cut, so Obama came up with (his idea) the automatic sequester cuts. In return, the GOP already gave him his tax increase. That happened 8 weeks ago.

      So, we have a balanced approach. The cuts are generic across the board, and the tax increase is done. We had a BIG tax hike 8 weeks ago.

      NOW Obama wants to move the goalposts, ask for more tax increases, and whine that the sequester itself is not a “balanced approach”. Bullshit. It is HALF of a balanced approach. The other half was the fucking tax increase that you already got as part of the deal.

      But Obama wants to lie to the public. He wants to act as if the tax increases just disappear down the memory hole, and the issue now is ONLY the sequester cuts, with nothing to “balance” them. He’s a liar.

  23. HELENK says:


    when you read this article and think about things that have happened in the last 5 years this article makes sense.

    his handlers put out that he is smart , but he does not give that impression

  24. HELENK says:


    doesn’t soros have a lot of interests in Brazil??

  25. myiq2xu says:


    Maxine Waters really amped up the sequester scare tactics today:

    … We don’t need to be having something like sequestration that’s going to cause these jobs losses, over 170 million jobs that could be lost …

    Per the BLS, as of January 2013 there were 143.3 million people employed in the US. The total civilian workforce is 155.7 million people.

  26. HELENK says:


    what is it is not really about the sequester.

    one of the saddest things of our time is that neither party is putting country before party and the country is suffering because of that

  27. HELENK says:

    #breaking: Senate rejected a GOP bill giving Obama broad discretion to implement $85.3B in cuts over the remainder of this fiscal year.

  28. HELENK says:

    #BreakingNews: Floating restaurant with 80 people on board sinks in Baghdad: AFP

    remind me never to go to a floating restaurant

  29. HELENK says:

    media lapdogs protecting backtrack video

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