Like Pulling Teeth

Subtitled: “Scumbag Racist Senator Harasses Noble Black Attorney General”

Ted Cruz Goads Eric Holder Into Admitting That Killing Americans With Drones On U.S. Soil Is Unconstitutional

On Tuesday, the Department of Justice sent shockwaves through the nation when Attorney General Eric Holder informed Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) in writing that the White House would be within its legal authority to execute an American citizen via drone on U.S. soil if that person was determined to pose a threat to national security. On Wednesday, testifying before a Senate panel, Holder was prodded repeatedly about this assertion by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). Holder eventually admitted that it would not be constitutional to execute an American citizen without due process.

“In your legal judgment, does the Constitution allow a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil to be killed by a drone?” Cruz asked Holder pointedly.

“For sitting in a café and having a cup of coffee?” Holder replied. Cruz clarified that his hypothetical individual subject to a drone strike did not pose an “imminent and immediate threat of death and bodily harm,” but that person is suspected to be a terrorist.

“I would not think that that would be an appropriate use of any kind of lethal force,” Holder replied.

“With all respect, Gen. Holder, my question wasn’t about appropriateness or prosecutorial discretion. It was a simple legal question,” Cruz clarified.

“This is a hypothetical, but I would not think, that in that situation, the use of a drone or lethal force would not be appropriate,” Holder replied.

“I have to tell you I find it remarkable that in that hypothetical, which is deliberately very simple, you are not able to give a simple, one-word answer: no,” Cruz added. He said he think that his scenario would constitute a “deprivation of life without due process.”

Holder agreed and added that lethal force in Cruz’s case “would not be appropriate.”

“You keep saying appropriate – my question isn’t about propriety,” Cruz goaded. “My question is about whether something is constitutional or not.”

When Cruz was about to abandon his line of questioning after a number of equivocations from Holder, the attorney general clarified that he was saying “no” such actions would not be constitutional.

“Goad” isn’t the term I would have chosen. It was more like pulling teeth. He never did say unequivocally “No, it would not be constitional” though, did he?

Damn racists.

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110 Responses to Like Pulling Teeth

  1. myiq2xu says:

    This is the kind of shit that gives lawyers a bad name.

  2. votermom says:

    Trying to extract truth from Eric Holder is like pulling teeth from a hen.

    • myiq2xu says:

      The key to a skillful cross-examination is forcing the witness to give specific answers. You really have to box them in.

  3. DeniseVB says:


    • Somebody says:

      It is indeed a great analogy. I’ve been saying POTUS is acting like a temper tantrum throwing toddler with the sequester. If I can’t get my way I’m going to break this, wawawa!

      The cuts do NOT have to be applied the way they are going to be applied. Sadly most of the public will never know that thanks to the toadies in the press.

  4. HELENK says:

    holder between fast and furious and his drone ideas and refusing to investigate voter fraud has taken a department that was supposed to uphold the constitution and protect the citizens of this country by prosecuting law breakers and turned it into a dept of crime. Now the DOJ is a threat to American citizens not a protection for them

  5. wmcb says:

    I disagree that he in the end admitted it was unconstitutional. Not if you parse it (and lawyers will.) Saying”I thought I WAS saying no!” is not the same thing as saying NO.

  6. myiq2xu says:

  7. Lulu says:

    When Cruz was running in the primary last year he was generally put down as an ignorant putz. He is in fact a highly accomplished (and evil in my opinion) hired gun corporate attorney. The Democrats did not want Dewhurst to win because he is reasonable (sometimes) and usually rationale. Cruz is a shark and a much better attorney than our current AG. And Cruz does not mind dentistry as he practiced a form of it for many years.

  8. Erin says:

    “This is a hypothetical, but I would not think, that in that situation, the use of a drone or lethal force would not be appropriate,” Holder replied.

    Why do lawyers talk in double negatives? How can any one follow what they say?

    What he’s really saying is “I think the use of a drone or lethal force would be approriate.”

  9. votermom says:

    Rand Paul:

    I think people can become intoxicated with power. I don’t know if that’ explains what happened to President Obama …
    … we run the risk of an imperial Presidency

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Rand just pulled out a really thick book. Hope he reads the whole damn thing out loud.

  11. votermom says:

    Myiq, Rand Paul just said trying to get an answer from WH is like pulling teeth.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think Rand reads TCH. He also agreed earlier with myiq that there are a lot of crackpots on the the internet that say stupid things 😀

      Someone’s updating his FB page with quotes ….

      “The Fifth Amendment is pretty clear and it’s pretty plain. It says you can’t deprive people of their life and liberty without due process. So it should trouble every American…It’s not good enough for the President to say, ‘I don’t intend to assassinate Americans unless it’s convenient.”

  12. myiq2xu says:

  13. HELENK says:

    sorry I just had to post this

  14. myiq2xu says:

  15. myiq2xu says:

  16. myiq2xu says:

  17. myiq2xu says:

    “It’s like pulling teeth to get an answer from the President” Paul said.

  18. votermom says:

    Sen Mike Lee is giving Rand Paul a break, talking about rights.

  19. myiq2xu says:

  20. myiq2xu says:

    When I was a kid I thought that this kind of debate is what Congress really did all day.

  21. myiq2xu says:

  22. myiq2xu says:

    Ted Cruz joining the fun.

  23. myiq2xu says:

  24. Somebody says:

    Saw this, not sure if it will lead anywhere

    According to CBS, WH turned over Benghazi documents to Senate. The tweets say WH was warned for days that an attack was imminent by the Libyans

  25. myiq2xu says:

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  27. myiq2xu says:

    Dana Loesch said she wanted a drone:

  28. DeniseVB says:

    Oh. My.

  29. myiq2xu says:

    The Travis Letter – “Victory or Death”:

    Commandancy of the The Alamo

    Bejar, Feby. 24th. 1836

    To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World—

    Fellow Citizens & compatriots—

    I am besieged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna — I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man — The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken — I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls — I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch — The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country — Victory or Death.

    William Barrett Travis.

    Lt. Col. comdt.

    P. S. The Lord is on our side — When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn — We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels and got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.


  30. myiq2xu says:

  31. myiq2xu says:

    Marco Rubio officially joins in.

  32. votermom says:

    Rubio helping now

  33. votermom says:

  34. wmcb says:

    Mine is already there, but DO THIS:

  35. trixta says:

    First torture, now drones…deja vu all over again…makes me sick to my stomach!

  36. votermom says:

    PA bitter clingers represented

  37. wmcb says:

    I called that bastard Cornyn’s office. Told him he’d better get his ass out there like Cruz. This is important.

  38. wmcb says:

  39. wmcb says:

    He’s right. The journos are all eerily not present on Twitter.

  40. wmcb says:

  41. foxyladi14 says:

    I love Ted Cruz. 🙂

  42. wmcb says:

  43. HELENK says:

    this should be shown in every classroom in every junior and senior high school in America. The what America is all about. I know that will not happen and that is a great loss to our kids. One man standing up and stating the founding principles of this country. Damn shame it is so rare in DC

  44. HELENK says:

    this is weird. Russians transporting vehicles with DHS logos in Tenn

  45. votermom says:

  46. wmcb says:

    Aaaaand Cruz is back on the floor, kicking ass. And I’m in Twitmo for too many tweets.

  47. HELENK says:

    Ted Cruz reading the stand with rand tweets on the floor of congress.

    good work guys

  48. wmcb says:

    OH, fuck yeah! Citizen tweets about due process are actually being read into the record on the Senate floor. GO TED CRUZ! I got yer people-powered politics, right here.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yes, these tweets will be forever in our historical record ! Cruz only read about .0001 percent of the supporting tweets. RP is back, if he only knew that he’s been trending for almost 8 hours on twitter?

  49. DeniseVB says:

    And joining Code Pink…..

  50. DeniseVB says:

    Just gets better and better and…..

  51. HELENK says:

    it has been many years since I was impressed by a politician. Rand Paul is impressive.Thank God for his courage to stand up and be counted. That is rare today

  52. SHV says:

    He should go for the record…24 hours 18 minutes.

  53. wmcb says:
  54. votermom says:

  55. wmcb says:

    And now the odious Young Turks get on board. But i was nice, because this is important.

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