Gimme that old time religion

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Atheism is a religion, too

[…]

This world beats to the rhythm of religion in a thousand ways, and absolutely everyone is religious — including atheists.

Religion certainly includes an idea of a God under whom man is inherently subservient, but religion also governs the belief system undergirding the way people think about, and live, their lives.

It tells them who their authority is and it informs their values and behavior. It gives them their sense of morality and goodwill, and it guides them in the way they treat themselves and others. Religion does nothing less than construct one’s view of the world.

Atheists are, in fact, some of the most religious people.

First, they have a functioning God under whom they are subservient (normally it’s science or rationality, but mainly themselves), and that idea of God informs the way they live and interpret their lives. It informs their biases and determines their values, and governs any sense of morality or ethics they adhere too, or ignore.

Once that’s all settled all that’s left is the preaching.

And they preach all the time.

This new breed of atheists is obsessed with the idea of God. They write books, deliver speeches, comment-bomb the evangelical blogosphere and generally rant on ad nauseam about the ills of believing in God.

Honestly – comically – some atheists must type the word “God” on the Internet five times more often than most Christians I know and they do it with the fury of a fire-and-brimstone zealot!

[…]

Instead of just ignoring God, or the idea of God, atheist preachers feel somehow compelled to rid the Earth of him; so they argue endlessly that theists can’t prove God exists without confessing that they can’t prove he doesn’t either.

Occasionally, some of them discover that they do indeed worship a God, but it is an insufficient one.

[…]

Everyone needs and everyone has a “God.” That’s why we’re so religious.

It’s a matter of which religion is yours.


Atheism is a religious belief in no god. Atheists are some of the worst religious zealots out there. That’s because they think that they (and they alone) know THE TRUTH.

It is a proselyting religion as well. They are not satisfied with just knowing THE TRUTH, they must force their religion on everyone else. If they see or hear you practicing or talking about your religion, they scream that they are being oppressed.

Although they like to claim that their religion “never killed anyone” they ignore all the millions of people killed by communism.


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105 Responses to Gimme that old time religion

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Speaking of religion, I’m watching Bride of Chucky. Didn’t realize it stars Katherine Heigl.

  2. HELENK says:

    you are on a roll today. Race and Religion two subjects every one tries to avoid.

    to me different religions mean every one trying to get to the same place using different roads.

    old joke: two people die and go to the pearly gates. one who believes in religion says Hello St Peter have I earned the right to come in?
    St Peter answers why yes you have come on in

    One how does not believe in religion say to St Peter, Who the hell are you and why are you here?
    St Peter answers I am the gate keeper of the place you did not believe existed and you are in the wrong place. take the down staircase please

  3. wmcb says:

    The worst of the atheists do the exact same thing that the worst of the religionists do: which is to hide being an overly-intrusive, busybody, grating, pontificating, preachy asshole behind the thin veneer of saving people.

    The religionists do it to save us all from wages of sin.

    The atheivangelists do it to save us all from the follies of religion.

    I’d prefer that both of them keep their grubby rant-paws off me, thanks. I never asked you to save me from either. Your problem isn’t your religion, nor is it your rejection thereof. Your problem is that you’re a flaming douche, and it’s quite evident to everyone around you, save your fellow zealots.

    That’s my opinion – as someone who is a Christian, very happily married to a non-douche atheist.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Never could understand athesism, if they hate religion so much, why are they so obsessed with it ?

    • votermom says:

      Agnostics are the most laid back.

    • gxm17 says:

      I’m fascinated with religion because I’m fascinated with people. I study religion because of what it says about homo sapiens not because of what it says about god. I even collect religious artwork and I’m very fortunate to have a close, and talented, family friend who painted a Saint Lucy icon for me. (Much as I’d searched, I couldn’t find an icon of my favorite saint.)

  5. votermom says:

    The pic reminds me – I am enjoying The Vikings show on tv (History channel). In the 2nd ep one of the raiders said almost the exact same thing – looking at a crucifix in a monastery: This is their god? He’s dead! (No wonder he can’t protect them)

  6. driguana says:

    Speaking of “old time” religions, some of us are still animists….

    Animism encompasses the beliefs that there is no separation between the spiritual and physical (or material) world, and souls or spirits exist, not only in humans, but also in all other animals, plants, rocks, geographic features such as mountains or rivers, or other entities of the natural environment,[16] including thunder, wind, and shadows.

    Amen to that….

    • wmcb says:

      I have a friend who is basically animist, and she and I have fascinating talks about the intersections of my faith and hers. Usually after much wine has been consumed. 😉

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
      All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.”

      Interesting here is that “the Word” is a very full concept in the original language – involving concept, thought, existence, speech, the state of being in itself. So, life and thought that encompasses all the universe and everything in it?

      “In him we live and move and have our being….he is before all things and in him all things hold together…One God…who is over all and through/i> all and in all.”

      Ah, God as the animating substance of the universe, of matter? Hmmm.

      There is really not a huge conflict between animism and the Christian idea of an omnipresent God. At least, there isn’t if you don’t insist on a juvenile literalistic view of God as bearded white dude hovering like a hall monitor everywhere.

      I find discussions between people of different faiths fascinating, so long as all the people involved are secure enough in their own beliefs not to feel threatened by the exploring.

      • myiq2xu says:

        I always found the Genesis version of creation and the Big Bang Theory (the creation theory, not the TV show) to be remarkably similar.

        • wmcb says:

          Got drunk with hubby one night and talked about physics, particle entanglement, time theory, and redemption and predestination and faith.

          I don’t recall all of it, but the gist was that if God, in the form of Christ, did something self-sacrificially redemptive for humanity, then at any point in history it had already happened. It had already happened when Adam drew breath. And will always happen, and is always to come, and has always happened. Because we now know that time is not linear – we only perceive it as such. But God, if there is one, does not see linear time.

          Then we got into entanglement theory, and how one particle can twin with and affect the motion of another particle far far away. Which, in our drunk state, had something to do with the blood of Christ effecting redemptive change.

          We then progressed to the peculiar fact that some particles will not do whatever it is that they are going to do if there is no observer. The act of observing the particle almost creates what it is to be. So is that God’s role? The ultimate Observer creating realities? If so, is faith our version of being like God, and is that the whole point of faith? Getting us to see that?

          By the time he was several gin and tonics in, Lou had opined that he thinks that physics will eventually progress to the point of discovering that we’ve all been talking about the same fucking thing all along. And won’t *that* be grand.

          This is what happens when a Mostly-Mystic Christian and an atheist with a minor in physics get roaring drunk on a summer night.

  7. DandyTiger says:

    I believe in sex and rock and roll

  8. Somebody says:

    A former neighbor and friend of mine was an in your face atheist and also the epitome of a vile prog. She always found something, somewhere to be offended by. I never understood her obsession with religion and what I saw as other people’s business. I’d have to agree her zelousness was indeed very similar to the most zealot evangelicals I’ve ever encountered. Truly two sides of the same coin in many respects.

    Haven’t thought about her in years we parted ways in 2008, guess why?

    • HELENK says:

      it has been a long long time since I have felt any hope from the Catholic Church. This man seems to be what the church teaches us we should be.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Ed Driscoll:

        When asked about the tension between the Church’s teachings and contemporary attitudes, George emphasized that the pope “simply has to preach the Gospel,” even in a context so secularized that it seems “there is no god and Freud is his prophet.” He lamented that “for the sake of sexual liberation, we’re willing to let a lot of other liberties go.” The cardinal said he was “not sure we realize what’s going on,” but that Pope Francis “will help us to realize it better.” Gregory pushed him about the Church’s role in American politics, but the cardinal rejected that Catholic teachings are easily mapped onto American politics: “The categories you use are conservative and liberal, you’ll be using them today, our categories are what is true and what is false.”

        – From David Gregory’s interview today with Cardinal Francis George of Chicago.

    • I loved the end of that- the new Pope wishes for a poor church- a church OF the poor- FOR the poor.
      Perhaps there is hope after all. If he realizes that it isn’t, wasn’t and never will be about gold vestments and red slippers, making princes/Pharisees out of mere mortal men. Not supposed to be about temporal power, not supposed to be about fear.
      Love. Jesus’ message was always, always about Love. Big L.

  9. wmcb says:

    Always loved this one. “Somewhere between the soul and soft machine is where I find myself again. Lord, have mercy.”

  10. HELENK says:

    this seems fitting for this post on St Patrick’ day.
    to all of you

  11. myiq2xu says:

    In the interest of full disclosure, here is my religious belief:

    I believe in the existence of God but I can’t define him/her/them/it.

    • wmcb says:

      I have a set of specific beliefs, but I recognize them for what they are: a framework to help me understand/live a much more difficult Truth.

      My faith helps me *describe* God, but it does not help me define Him. Those are not the same thing. That which one can completely define in word or thought is, by definition, Not God.

      I think we might have a lot fewer problems if more religious people would recognize that defining God is impossible, and no, they have not in fact adequately done so. The very fact that they think they have is the tipoff. He’s bigger than any box you construct for him. Whatever you have in that box, it ain’t God – by virtue of the fact that you were able to put him in there.

      • Underwhelmed says:

        God is huge. We are small. We can’t handle huge, so we make God small.

        Also? Why is it that every evangelical preacher type out there banging the drum about sin and hell and brimstone and so forth can’t ever quote Jesus when he/she is ranting? All they can do is fall back on the OT, which is highly suspect at the best of times.

      • wmcb says:

        I’m stealing this. Thanks.

        God is huge. We are small. We can’t handle huge, so we make God small.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        AMEN AMEN!!!! )

      • gxm17 says:

        I’m curious, wmcb, is your god sexed? No disrespect intended, I’m just wondering if you believe god is male.

        • wmcb says:

          No. It’s the easiest shorthand and habit, and I don’t fight it. But no. I believe that God encompasses all aspects, and that both male and female are necessary for an adequate reflection of the nature of God.

    • swanspirit says:

      An it harm none do what ye will . I do not worship my Goddess , but She walks beside me and dwells within me and I am deeply content , at peace with the cosmos . For me the Earth is alive , as is all of creation , and my experience is numinous and animist .
      One thing I cannot abide is proselytizing . That is so judgmental and condescending . How can one person know what is best for another or their soul? Why is when someone has found an answer ,they insist it is THE answer?

      • wmcb says:

        I love that word, “numinous”. I have much more in common with people like you, or with the early great Christian Mystics, who were all about the numinous and whispering “Holy! Mystery!”, than with the sourfaced dogmatists or chirpily cheery improvers of mankind.

        Blessed be, my friend.

  12. angienc (D) says:

    Late to the party, but I’ll say something I’m sure I’ve said before:

    The dumbest argument from atheists is that theists can’t “prove” God exists — no shit, that is why it is called FAITH not “proof.”

    Really, it’s not that difficult to understand — it’s a simple a matter of knowing the basic definition of a common word. And yet the atheists insist they’re the “smart” ones.

    • wmcb says:

      LOL! Angie, I think that’s why my atheist husband and I have no problem with this. I never try to prove God’s existence to him. I make no claim whatsoever that I can. Why ever would I? Of course I can’t! And?

    • myiq2xu says:

      For all their intelligence and knowledge, atheists can’t prove that God doesn’t exist.

      • DandyTiger says:

        I’m working on one. It involves bacon. Here’s what I have so far:

        1) God says don’t eat bacon.

        2) Bacon

        3) Therefore God doesn’t exist.

      • angienc (D) says:

        Honestly, sometimes I think all the atheists’ declarations about their intelligence & knowledge is just a cover for their jealousy — they don’t have faith, can’t stand that other people have something they don’t & therefore deride & mock it as something only the “stupid” or the “sheep” have. Never mind that all kinds of people — from geniuses such as Einstein & Michelangelo to great leaders like Patton to the simplest peasant-girl in France (aka Joan of Arc) — were all people of faith. Nope, to the atheists, because *they* don’t have it, faith is only for the stupid.

        The thing is — I don’t care what someone *else* believes (and trust, I do believe my Church is the one, true holy catholic & apostolic Church) and *most* religious people don’t care what anyone else around them believes (you don’t see Jews, for example, going around trying to convert anyone). It is only certain (evangelical) protestant religions *and* capital “A” atheists who try to convert others like it’s their job. Kind of funny, IMO.

        • myiq2xu says:

          Ben Carson is a brain surgeon and he believes in God. They don’t get much smarter than that.

        • wmcb says:

          It is kind of hilarious that for all their despising of religion, some of them sure do pick the worst of the religions to imitate.

        • angienc (D) says:

          Ha myiq — funny you mention Ben Carson — the vile progs are ridiculing him not only with the typical racist crap they spew toward conservatives of color (Uncle Tom & “oreo” being the *nicest* terms) I actually saw tweets of disgust on how stupid he is to think *he* knows better/more about healthcare than Obama.

          I shit you not — that’s a special kind of stupid right there and prog-land is swimming in it (and drowning the rest of us).

        • Underwhelmed says:

          I think you’re right, but I think it’s something else too.So many of these militant atheist types just aren’t very nice people – and being reminded of that, by the codes of Christianity (because I never hear them lambasting Islam, which in my book deserves it way more) makes them feel shrivelled.

  13. elliesmom says:

    Whatever.

  14. HELENK says:

    Do not know about anyone else, but I do hope there is more than just this. A place of peace and no hate.

  15. Love that about “Holy! Mystery!”
    No I can’t explain God. And if someone has not yet found that the Great Mystery exists- well.
    It is right there, all around us. In the star filled sky, the Grand Canyon, in the mountains. In the whisper of wind in the pines and the waves caressing the shore.
    All we need do is look. And listen. And love.

  16. Wmcb said above- “If so, is faith our version of being more like God, and is that the whole point of faith?”
    Why yes! YES! That is EXACTLY the whole point- to be more God like- or as the Book says – loosely quoted- we are to Be Holy as God is Holy! Love your musings!

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  18. myiq2xu says:

    “Crowley was filled with sadness for two young men who took advantage of a drunk and possibly drugged young girl because the judge actually held them accountable for what they did. Instead of wondering aloud why they weren’t tried as adults, she was instead very concerned that now they would have to register for the rest of their lives as sex offenders.”

    Is there such a thing as “outrage fatigue”?

    • swanspirit says:

      Yes, that is why I can not watch MSNBC or CNN anymore , I can flip channels and drop in from time to time , but most of the time I just watch clips later . It is as much as I can take .

    • Underwhelmed says:

      Reminds me of the not so funny joke:

      2 sociologists (or should I say liberals?) were walking down the street when the came across a man in the gutter, beaten almost to death. One turns to the other and says — ‘How dreadful! The man who did this needs our help!’

  19. wmcb says:

    In brighter news, look at this pic from CPAC, the uber-conservative wing of the GOP. There were two panels, one in support of GOProud, one for traditional marriage advocates.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/at-cpac-the-marriage-fight-is-over

    • wmcb says:

      Oh, and some idiot in the comments immediately got surly about it. I responded to him:

      “Did you look at the photo? Those don’t look like a bunch of college students to me. I often wonder if lefties perhaps really want the GOP to remain anti-gay marriage, because you are certainly the first ones to throw cold water on any step forward by them. How about you try being happy for some real progress? There’s a thought.

    • wmcb says:

      I’m doing a little experiment. I posted this on facebook with a “Good for them!” sort of comment. Now, anytime anyone posts anything related to gay marriage advances, all my lefty friends swarm to “like” it. I’m wondering if they will do so with this. I’ve a sneaking suspicion many won’t.

      Because for those people, deep in their hearts, they need the GOP to be evil and hate gay people. And so they will be unable to see a not-integrated org becoming more integrated as the *good* thing that it is.

      • Underwhelmed says:

        They need conservatives to hate everything and everyone and they’ll tell as many lies as they need to so it’s the case. Because they are not and have never been about finding a way forward. They are only about hate and power and control for themselves.

  20. wmcb says:

    BAHAHAHA! Some people watching the Bible tonight on the History channel:

  21. Head/desk. THIS is one of the reasons the reputation of the Church is in such disarray! This one needs defrocked!
    http://news.yahoo.com/south-africa-cardinal-says-pedophilia-not-crime-155418854.html

    • wmcb says:

      Oh Good Lord. They need to come down like a ton of bricks on that.

      • Amen! And cute how the article points out he helped elect the new Pope.
        I suppose I am a raycist for pointing out the asshat needs to be defrocked.

        • wmcb says:

          Well, just like rap artists and their horrendous misogyny, we’re supposed to make special dispensations for the colored folks’ “culture”. They can’t help being violent and backward, you know, because privilege or something.

          (The fact that the attitude I just described is the most gobsmackingly racist thing EVER makes no difference at all. The Left espouses it, so it’s holy and good and beyond reproach or critique.)

    • votermom says:

      He said pedophilia is an illness, not a crime.
      If that’s true over there the obviously S. Africa needs to pass a law saying it is a crime.
      In one sense I agree – it is an incurable illnesss. Which is why pedophiles need to be either locked up forever or executed.

      The cardinal sounds like he is making excuses – he needs to be kicked out.

  22. wmcb says:

    Hoooooly crap, myiq, you HAVE to start doing this to your hate mail. Browsing through the “best of” Larry Correia’s blog, and this is freaking hilarious!

    http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/diary-of-an-unhinged-imbecile-by-nickwolf-with-special-commentary-by-larry-correia/

    • myiq2xu says:

      Alas, we are almost out of trolls. I must be losing my touch. We only have A Troll Called Wanda and Blessyourheart, which I suspect is the same person. They (or he) is simply not interesting enough to play with.

  23. votermom says:

    I think we will be talking about this today. Cyprus govt may back off their brilliant plan of seizing 10% of bank deposits

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/us-cyprus-parliament-idUSBRE92G03I20130318

    (Reuters) – Cypriot ministers were trying to revise a plan to seize money from bank deposits before a parliamentary vote on Tuesday that will secure the island’s financial rescue or could lead to its default, with reverberations across the euro zone.

    The weekend announcement that Cyprus would impose a tax on bank accounts as part of a 10 billion euro ($13 billion) bailout by the European Union broke with previous practice that depositors’ savings were sacrosanct. The euro and stock markets fell on concern the euro zone crisis was returning.

    Before the vote, which is too close to call, the government was working to soften the blow to smaller savers by tilting more of the tax towards those with deposits greater than 100,000 euros ($130,700. Many of these depositors Russians and the planned levy has already elicited an angry reaction from President Vladimir Putin.

    The government says Cyprus has no choice but to accept the bailout with the tax on deposits, or go bankrupt.

    I’m sorry, but when you’ve been reduced to seizing bank deposits, you ARE bankrupt.

    • Am I to assume there will be a run on the banks today?
      Honestly- with savings accounts paying less than 1% interest here- unless you are a gambler and willing to risk your nest egg in the stock market- you might as well bury it in a coffee can in the backyard.

  24. yttik says:

    I think what we refer to as “religion” is really just a relationship, like Christians have a relationship with Christ. Religion takes that and creates an “institutionalized system of beliefs, practices, and attitudes,” often with negative results, since anything that becomes systematic and institutionalized is backed by power, and power usually leads to mandates, force, corruption.

    I’ve had this debate with both the left and the right. The Left thinks separation of church and state keeps religion out of our government, but really it’s a two way street. We want to keep government out of our religion, or rather stop government from mandating our personal belief system. Once they do, we no longer have freedom of religion, because with Gov comes power and mandates and the loss of freedom.

    Obamacare is a good example of this. We’re actually trying to mandate somebody’s personal belief system, like demanding that Catholics pay for contraception. That really violates this basic tenet of separation of church and state.

  25. gxm17 says:

    I dunno, myiq. I’ve never had an atheist show up at my door, or confront me in an airport, or on a street corner, and try to sell me their “religion.” So I don’t quite understand where the claims of atheists proselytizing come from. Public debate isn’t the same thing. It seems to me that just the fact that atheists don’t believe in god is interpreted by some as a form of proselytizing. Like some cultural “don’t ask, don’t tell” that we’re supposed to abide by.

    • wmcb says:

      Trust me, they exist. I had to block a friend on facebook, because he was just constantly in everyone’s face about it, incessantly.

      It is pretty much the same MO that the grating evangelicals use: work ANY topic under the sun back around to telling you that you !!Need God!! Except in his case it was you !!Need to Get Rid Of God!!

    • t says:

      Exactly.

      I think religion/atheism and proselytizing are two different things.

      You can be religious or athiest and a pain in the ass. You can be either one and not a pain in the ass.

      I am atheist. From my point of view to be atheist is to be suppressed. In this society people think you’re crazy if you don’t believe in imaginary beings and superstitions from a black book. Go figure. Why doesn’t any of that stuff happen now? The bible was written by a group of controlling males who attempted to explain what they could not explain and they attempted to explain it in a way that elicited fear in order to further their control. We have sophisticated science now, and so nobody believes in things like parting of seas.

      But my attitude is whatever you want to believe is up to you…as long as you don’t try and sell it to me at my front door….and I’ll pretend to pray at my inlaws dinner table out of respect, but when they’re gone, religion will play no role in my life. And no, I don’t think absence of religion is religion. For me, religion requires formal practice. Believing that you are born, exist, die and rot does not involve formal practice.

      I’m not proselytizing here. It’s a double standard is that if an athiest says that God is imaginary, they are proselytizing and exercising superiority, while if religious people talk about God, they are good and moral people.

      • yttik says:

        Many people don’t realize that accusing others of believing in “imaginary beings and superstitions” created by “controlling men” who are so unsophisticated they prefer fear over science, isn’t exactly a tolerant and respectful attitude.

        Absence of religion can indeed become a religion. If it weren’t, there would be no need to strongly declare your thoughts, feelings, and opinions about another person’s beliefs.

  26. myiq2xu says:

    AofS:

    Religious people get a bad name because of the Church Lady Syndrome — the person who seems to believe in God not because God is the Creator but because believing in God makes the believer superior to those around her (I say “her” because of the Church Lady). Thus, far from a Church Lady Type giving glory to God, God gives glory to the Church Lady Type.

    However, it’s becoming more and more obvious every day– if it weren’t already obvious — that this particular indulgence of the ego isn’t part of the religious mindset. It’s part of the human mindset. You can see it in the Anti-Church Ladies of the Evangelical Atheists who do their own Superiority Dances over their righteous nonbelief in the Deity.

    Some seem to believe that a professed atheism automatically makes one enlightened and rational, and rational, moreover, in a specific way: Freed of the childish belief that simply speaking certain Magic Words makes one a better and smarter person.

    But it plainly does not. Better-thinking religious people must be occasionally embarrassed by their Church Ladies; are any atheists embarrassed by their own Anti-Church Ladies?

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