Child abuse?
From the Department Of You Can’t Make This Shit Up:
Family’s Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child’s Rifle
New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.
“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.”
Moore was not arrested or charged.
A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.
“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”
Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.
He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state’s hunter safety course.
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“If you have a warrant, you’re coming in,” Nappen told the officers. “If you don’t, then you’re not. That’s what privacy is all about.”
With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.
“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. “They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead.”
Moore took this photo of police outside his home.Nappen told Fox News the police wanted to inventory his firearms.
“”We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.”
The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.
While I realize that the cops and child protective services have a duty to check out abuse and neglect allegations, that duty only extends so far. If the sum total of the allegation was what you see in the photograph, the case could be closed as unfounded without even leaving the office.
I do like the concept that refusing to let the cops search without a warrant is probable cause for a search warrant. If true that would render the 4th Amendment meaningless.
I had to wait until I was 14 to get a rifle and it wasn’t a cool one like his either. OTOH my mom bought me ammo and turned me loose to use it unsupervised. She assumed I was mature enough to use it properly.
FTR: She was right.
I’m not surprised at this happening in socialist utopia of New Jersey.
Our governments, both fed and state, are batshit out of control. They have lost their minds. These fuckers are going to turn me into a full-blown libertarian before they are through, because evidently you can neither reason with or compromise with them.
I’m serious. I’m at the point where I want the entire monstrous Rube Goldberg machine torn down to the bare minimum. If after a decade or two we find we need a tad more govt, maybe we’ll pass a couple extra laws.
One of these days I’m going to expound on my “steady state” theory of government.
Please do. I toyed once with the idea of almost all new laws requiring a sunset provision. If it’s that important, you have to fight to renew it every 5 or 10 years. Keep them busy paying attention to the toys they already have, rather than always hankering after shiny new legislation.
These fuckers are going to turn me into a full-blown libertarian before they are through,
I just finished reading Freehold, by Michael Z Williamson which is a scifi military adventure that features a war between libertarian paradise planet and a UN controlled earth. I am skeptical about the libertarian paradise bit, but I’m surprised at how plausible the UN totalitarian bureaucracy sounds.
I’m pretty sure I would have scoffed at most of the book just 6 years ago or so.
If they showed up at my door without a warrant I’d tell them to piss off.
This kind of thing keeps happening though. I’ve seen you tubes of SWAT team type federal raids on businesses over tax disputes or some kind of minor regulation violation.
On a more positive note it appears that Difi’s assault weapons ban isn’t going to see the light of day.
I’ve been there. It’s easier said than done.
Charles Lane:
“in the 2007 bill, the biggest lobbyists included the agriculture biotech giant Monsanto, which spent $8.8 million. Other large corporate lobbyists included American Farm Bureau, Kraft Foods, PepsiCo Inc., American Beverage Association, Tyson Foods, Coca-Cola Co, Wal-Mart Stores, and the GMA (Grocery Manufacturer Association).
Big Agriculture lobbies Congress knowing hundreds of millions of dollars are on the line for their corporations.
Lobbying also takes place at the state level, where Big Agriculture has been fighting off further regulation of SNAP. State laws cannot strictly mandate that certain purchases be forbidden with the use of SNAP; the USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) has jurisdiction on how SNAP money is spent. State laws are required to seek a waiver from the USDA on certain products. Nine states proposed bills to alter SNAP to make it a more health-conscious program, but none of the proposed measures passed due to the pushback by Big Agriculture.”
I think that is a year ago that the Mass. legislature passed a law that would place some restrictions on SNAP purchases; Deval Patrick vetoed it. His reason was, to the effect, that restrictions on purchases would harm the self esteem of poor people. I bet he has gotten significant contributions from the food industry.
“Follow the money”
The biggest argument against what can be bought on FS, is the huge cost the Gov will need to spend regulating it. We already have an incredibly inefficient system of getting food into the hands of people. Somebody might get a hundred in FS, but it has cost us several thousand in administration and regulations.
Maybe the govt should hand out MREs.
If it’s good enough for our troops, it should be good enough for everyone.
AMEN!!!
We’ve had a couple of incidents locally that have been kind of scary. Somebody reported seeing a gun on the seat of a car at the grocery store, so naturally they surrounded the area, locked all the customers in the store, and hauled the guy out of his car. It turns out it was just a toy gun. A week later, the same thing happened.
I live in liberal utopia, so we don’t have a 4th amendment, we just have the Common Good. Kind of funny, the people who were worried about the toy gun, soon found themselves surrounded by 45 hyped up guys with real guns and a tank.
I live in a mostly rural area of the south, it’s more of an exurb these days, but plenty of people have guns. You see trucks with gun racks with guns in the racks in every parking lot. Lots of people have concealed carry permits. I couldn’t imagine someone calling the police over something like you describe, lol.
I can imagine the cops in your area coming over to ask what kind of gun it was and where you bought it because they want to get one for their kid.
Years ago, I went with a friend to a gun store to pick up an M-60 that he had bought. No one looked twice as we walked to his car an put it on the back seat of my car. Even today I don’t think that it would cause a stir other than “Cool”.
I live in liberal land, too, but there are some bright spots. An elderly couple who are really good friends were in a serious automobile accident that put them in the hospital and totalled their car. Their daughter asked me if I would go to the junkyard and get their belongings out of the car because she didn’t want to leave their side. While I was doing that, I found a handgun in the glove compartment of the car. Having no permit myself and never having handled a gun, I called the local police to see what I should do. A state trooper showed up, took the gun, and gave me a receipt. I was worried the elderly gent who owned the gun would be upset with me, but while he was still in the hospital, the trooper showed up there, assured him his gun was safe, and would be returned to him when he returned home. And it was – cleaned and polished. Seems it was a bit of an antique.
This is the Left these days. They will jump you, hit you, curse you and tell you to SHUT UP and you CANNOT SPEAK, because no views but theirs are allowed.
People like that do their own causes more harm than good.
That took place in Oakland so those nutjobs were probably from Berserkley
The violent girl is named Gabby Silverman:
That’ll help.
According to her FB page she was a (guess what) Occupier.
Of course she was. No surprise there. There were way, way too many anti-semites in occupy to be random. Sadly it fits the profile.
Isn’t Silverman a Jewish name? Like Sarah Silverman?
Last names aren’t necessarily that good of an indictor of country or ethic group or anything. Humans are so messy. 🙂 Silverman is a pretty common english or scottish or german or hebrew name.
She also lied. The Jewish girl did not chalk anything “over” the other stuff. She chalked it underneath. She did not deface anything the protestors had done, which is what this thug is saying she did.
“The image of you, lying on top of me, will haunt me forever”
God, I miss the dating scene.
“This is the Left these days.”
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Really no different than many college campuses in the ’60s.
This is an excellent piece on the only direction that can save the half dead (and deservedly so) GOP, and perhaps the country. Really good.
The Bite Me Coalition:
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2013/03/19/conservatives-must-build-a-bite-me-coalition-n1537429/page/full/
I could get on board with a bite me coalition and I agree with much of what the article said, there is common ground and a way to build a coalition……..just need the right leaders.
The Palinization of Ted Cruz continues. He’s an evil bastard who hates Multiple Sclerosis patients:
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2013/03/ted-cruz-multiple-sclerosis-ms-week.html
Time for Justified
Excellent video on why excessive regulation actually causes more corporate cronyism.
several years ago they started taking discipline rights away from parents. Now if you pack you kid a lunch they can take it away and feed the kids pink slime. The separating of parents and kids by the government just keeps on and on. The schools no longer really educate they indoctrinate. Hitler said give me the children of a country and I will have the country. It is happening every day here in this country. The nanny state will replace the family.
What do you think of Lena Dunham and the whole Girls movement?
Does it make you proud to see that kind of female empowerment on television?
“You know, I don’t have a profound judgment on it. I think it’s too sexually focused. I think it should have a little more range. But the sexuality is what is going to bring the big audience….” “One of the fallouts of feminism is that girls became more accessible. Maybe not wisely accessible……. I don’t try to speak for people that young. I’m not that young anymore. But my own sense of self—I wouldn’t give myself away that easily.”
I still love Lilly Tomlin. And yes girls give themselves away and to an old lady like me it is very sad. Her reference to Girls as just another sex show to bring in the bucks for a network is spot on. Every generation thinks they invented sex and should be praised for it and there are some old farts willing to make money off of their hubris.
The link which I left off. http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2013/03/lily-tomlin-admission-tina-fey-lena-dunham-girls
I’d bet money that most of the 866,000 people watching “Girls” are boys and creepy old men.
Yep. Usually HBO has much bigger audiences. This is just another of their “horny” hipster shows and not even a very interesting one.
That’s what I’ve been told, the demographic that watches it are 50+ men.
All that media spin and all they get is the farts. Bless their hearts.
Brian Williams watches it to see his daughter do sex scenes. Ick.
I was waiting for something on the same channel to come on and that show was so painfully awful that I couldn’t even sit through it. So I started playing computer games on my iPad and then even the dialog was just so insipid that I said to myself geez why do I even have the TV on and turned it off. Wretched puke. Seriously, it like the creators are just vomiting over the airwaves.
I’m glad I don’t get HBO, and they’re losing more viewers thanks to Maher and shows like Girls……and Game Change.
Whenever we renew our cable contract, they always offer up HBO as a 6 months free bonus, we say no thanks, it’s craptivision. We’re probably missing some good shows, but they all eventually end up in syndication on other channels (SATC, and Curb Your Enthusiasm for instance).
I hate HBO for taking good book series and ruining it by turning it into a “look! characters rutting! we’re so edgy!” marathons.
I follow the Sookie Stackhouse & the Game of Thrones books but the times we’ve been given free HBO and I’ve checked their tv show versions out, I get so annoyed. No wonder basic cable channels like AMC & History are kicking their butts.
Have you watched any of Vikings? The vikings are so grubby and live in shacks. It is great.
Vikings is looking to be a great show so far. I love the details – the massive loom the wife was working at in one scene, the arm rings, the monastery.
And they go viking because they are so poor. And the shield maiden wife is very interesting. No shrinking violet there but she is fairly traditional at home. The pagan cultural aspects are interesting and their understanding of the oceans. We seldom see any depiction of paganism that is realistic in television. I have like this series so far.
I confess that a series I do like despite the fact that is just as full of “rutting characters” as any HBO show is the french tv Borgia.
I think I like it because the politics is fascinating and the historical aspect is as gritty as the Vikings show. Also has great melodrama. Can’t wait for netflix to get season 2.
I was told not to watch True Blood by a friend of mine who also loves the Sookie Stackhouse series and thank God I listened. I hear they sucked all the spunk out of Sookie. My cable company always offered free HBO too, I wonder how many of their viewers really pay the fee. And I did read that the largest demo who watches Girls is 50+ males.
Wow. It took us three emergency hearing motions to finally get my grandson’s case in front of a judge. The lawyer had already told us that we probably wouldn’t get a hearing due to staffing shortages, so we considered ourselves lucky when miracle of miracles we finally got heard. And our case involved real neglect with documented drug abuse (hospital records from when his mother OD’d over Christmas). UFB that the cops would show up over that photo.
That is why it is a political decision. Were the cops even shown the photo as they would have known what kind of gun it was and that it was not a toddler holding it? Where is Gov Big Christie on this? And great news for your grandson and your family.
It was completely political. All social services had to do was take a cursory look at the facebook page the photo was on, and they would have seen a proud certified instructor papa, happy that his son had passed his hunting safety course.
Thanks Lulu. It was such a long, painful process and really stressful when a 4-year old’s well being is at stake. We feel lucky that my son now has full custody and his ex has only supervised visits. But my grandson had everyone on his side (our entire family, including his mother’s family), so what happens to the kids who don’t? It just breaks my heart.
In my experience CPS has two settings – “Do nothing” and “Overreact”. Then again we seldom hear of cases where they do the right thing unless we are personally involved. Lots of true believers in the CPS ranks that are out there to save the world.
Heh. I hope GG is right
Methinks the Mail does not get Gutfield’s deadpan hyperpole. He’s famous for it. It’s his schtick.
Another story from the Socialist Democracy of New Jersey.
Orthodox Jewish woman’s guns are seized following her protesting at a townhall about property tax increase
What is going on in NJ? People need to stand up!
Btw, speaking of the middle east, here’ somethinG i agree w/ Rand Paul about
I don’t trust “foreign aid”, seems to only make the despots and dictators richer. We do need to start adding “strings” to the millions we flush on people who hate us.
Heh
OMG LOLOLOLOLOL Bibi!
Our city council has banned nuclear weapons. I feel so much safer now that I live in a nuclear free zone, because I’m sure if we ever have any problem, nukes will totally respect our city ordinances.
I noticed in local news that stabbings in violent crimes have gone up. Only proves, evil will find a way!
indeed
Ben Carson on 2016: I like Rand Paul but I might run too
Just saw on facebook that Rick Perry is going to decide by the end of the year whether to run in 2016 or another term for Gov.
Then there are the Dems ? Hillary/Michelle 2016 is the only “buzz” I’ve seen so far 😛
I’m sure Hillary could find someone she’d rather run with than MO. Frankly, she’s enabled that family enough already.
The company said the targets were designed at LE request 😯
ROFL! A friend just posted this on FB- anything that smacks Westboro Hate Group makes me laugh!
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/19/174737257/house-across-westboro-baptist-is-painted-with-gay-pride-rainbow
They should have a big sign that says, “stop child abuse.” Speaking of CPS and their irrational protection of children, Fred Phelps adult kids have actually written books detailing all his abuse. He should have been arrested long ago, but the system is very selective about who they tangle with.
So even Putin has more sense than the Dems
A sneaker full of oatmeal has more sense than Obama.
And more moral fiber. 🙂
😆
I wonder if this period will go down in history, not as the Age of Obama, but as the Era of Putin.
another datum, Cyprus turns to Russia as Merkel says “banks might not ever reopen”
I wonder what the Russian depositors told them they would do to them if they took 10% of their money. It certainly got their attention.
Bingo!
So the people with money in those banks cannot get it out. 👿