I seen this coming

illegal immigrants

Joe Moneybags Gazette:

Immigration Reform Roadblock

The bipartisan Gang of Eight Senate talks on immigration are continuing, with avowals that a deal is done or close to it. But we also keep hearing that it may not include a flexible guest-worker program rooted in the realities of the U.S. labor market, and that some Republicans may nonetheless go along for the ride.

Specifically, the AFL-CIO has been insisting on a guest program for low-skilled workers to start at a mere 10,000 visas a year, and the Senators may agree on as few as 20,000. These would be the total number of visas for workers across the entire U.S. economy outside of high-tech or agriculture—the likes of construction, hotels and restaurants, landscaping, among so many others. To put that in perspective, in 2011 the U.S. admitted more than two million temporary workers in a work force of 154 million.

The total number of guest-worker visas would be able to climb in any year to a cap of 200,000, but any number above 20,000 would require passing a complex bureaucratic formula. The details remain fluid, but we hear they may include a low national jobless rate, job openings as measured by the Labor Department’s JOLTS index, and vetting by a new guest-worker commission. The lowest priority under this formula would be what should be the most important—whether an employer is recruiting to fill an open job.

The new commission is especially pernicious because it amounts to a politicized mechanism for unions to interfere in the U.S. labor market. Such a body is sure to be dominated by union appointees or allies who would rarely if ever declare a labor shortage. A major goal of any guest-worker program should be to match employers with willing workers to keep the economy humming, but the last thing unions want is more non-union workers. That’s why unions are also pushing for excessive wage minimums and fees for guest workers.

Immigrant workers and unions are natural born enemies, yet the Democrats have somehow managed to successfully be both pro-union and pro-immigration at the same time. That’s a pretty good trick but sooner or later something had to give.

Unions depend on captive employers when they negotiate for wages and benefits. If employers can easily hire replacement workers (“scabs”) then strikes (or threats thereof) will fail. Historically, immigrants are a primary source of scabs.

Of course when push comes to shove, the unions are gonna win. Union members can (legally) vote, immigrant guest-workers can’t.

Unfortunately for the Republicans they are in no position to exploit this situation.

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58 Responses to I seen this coming

  1. elliesmom says:

    How labor votes when the party that claims to represent them has two masters will be interesting. Unions not only have a vested interested in how many guest workers are admitted each year. They may have a bigger interest in how much they’re paid. Many high tech companies were off-shoring jobs to pay lower wages, but as the wages have risen in the countries they chose, the cost of having their staff spread over several time zones is bringing some of those jobs back home. If unions can set the wages high for guest workers, there will be little incentive for companies to hire them. Unskilled workers are just that- unskilled. RCP has an interesting piece on Elizabeth Warren and the minimum wage debate. The author explains just where the “missing” fourteen dollars and change she says has been stolen from unskilled workers has gone, and it’s not all into the pockets of the “fat cats”. The increase in productivity is not at the unskilled level. It comes from the work of the people who design and make the tools that increase the productivity at the unskilled level. The article is also a shining example of how one can criticize a woman for her ideas in a totally non-sexist way. http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2013/03/26/elizabeth_warrens_acquired_economic_stupidity_100222.html

    • DandyTiger says:

      Very good argument. As soon as I heard she was arguing based on productivity, I knew it was absurd and based on broken logic. Nice to see a clear counter.

    • 49erDweet (D) says:

      Good call. IMO the failure of yhe Bracero program back in the dark ages was NOT employer abuse but because unions didn’t have an edge, or income soutce. Major mistake they won’t make again!

  2. yttik says:

    “Of course when push comes to shove, the unions are gonna win. Union members can (legally) vote, immigrant guest-workers can’t.”

    Yes, but economic realities often trump everything else. At the moment we have so much Gov borrowing and such a devalued dollar, that many American jobs don’t pay enough to provide an American standard of living. Many Americans won’t work at all if they can’t earn a good living, so all these immigrants come in to fill a void. Obviously how many guest worker visas we give out is somewhat irrelevant since so many simply come illegally if necessary.

  3. Constance says:

    I am to the point where I will not deal with a company who has their “customer service” division in India or any third world country where women are degraded. The reason is I find I can’t get my consumer issues dealt with and I believe it is because the people they employ hear I’m a woman and think it is optional to deal with me or that they are some how being emasculated by being forced to help me. I am a US citizen and women in the USA make 80% of all consumer decisions, no way am I putting up with this BS. You have to wonder if the men who run these companies will figure this out before their companies go out of business. BTW..NEVER use Travelocity their customer frustration department is in India so good luck to you if you are a woman and have changes made to your plans,

    • DandyTiger says:

      customer frustration department

      That’s a good way to put it, unfortunately. I have pretty bad experiences with similar departments in out of the way places. It’s nice to hear of the companies that won’t do that, or that tried it and immediately pulled out, because they actually want to provide service.

  4. Constance says:

    Regarding guest workers. I can remember when I was young, and kids did all the jobs that illegals now do and so we had money to contribute to our families. In fact after age 13 I paid all my own medical, dental, clothing and tuition bills, we all did. Now it is hard for kids to find summer work. We also learned how to be employees while being berry pickers, babysitters, or the guys were construction workers, landscapers, loggers, or worked in the Alaska fishing industry. I think allowing non citizens to come and take jobs from American youth is a serious disruption of our economy and has terrible effects on middle class families.

    • DandyTiger says:

      Agree. I got the entrepreneur bug as a kid figuring out ways to make money. And we tried everything under the sun from our own elaborate car wash mini business (luckily local authorities didn’t get their panties in a wad about no business licenses back then), to handling cows, to working corn fields, to paper delivery, to working in warehouses. None of those involved a wage (minimum or otherwise) because we contracted out (not formally) services for a price. I don’t think kids today are allowed to do any of that.

      I generally like the idea of minimum wage for adults because it sort of says you need to make this much to barely live above poverty. But it’s one of those best intentions with unintended consequences things. It doesn’t account for kids. It’s kind of a hard limit that doesn’t take into account how hard or what the job is about. And when you set some inflexible limit like this, human nature and markets find away around it. From outsourcing to illegal aliens.

      • Constance says:

        Part of the good done by employing youth is keeping them out of trouble and part is letting them earn money. By the time I got home from watching 3 kids under the age of 8 for the 10 hours a day their parents were at work I absolutely knew I wasn’t going to ever get pregnant and I knew I was going to college to learn some better job skills. And I was too tired to go out and cause trouble. Not that I was a “good kid” I simply was too tired to get in trouble.

      • yttik says:

        Minimum wage also becomes maximum wage. It’s like people decide that this is what the Gov says you must pay people, so that’s what they start to believe is a fair wage. In my area jobs used to pay what the market would support, what you had to pay to get the job done or to retain employees. Today nearly every local job is minimum wage.

        Something else people forget, all the Gov taxes, medi, SS, L&I, healthcare, means employers are actually paying out close to twice that. Depends on the industry, but in my state it costs you nearly twice minimum wage to employ somebody.

      • 49erDweet (D) says:

        Minimum Wage Laws historically perform exactly opposite of their intentions. Like the definition for insanity, though, our beloved legislators keep doing it over and over, wistfully believing one day it will finally “work”. It won’t. Legislating economics is a fools game.

  5. myiq2xu says:

    If you want to waste 7 minutes of your life, watch this:

    The “traditional marriage” advocate tries to say that gay marriage is “not illegal” because it is not a crime. CNN anchor goes through minor freakout.

    Technically they are both correct. Gay marriage is not “illegal” but rather is “not legal” in most states – meaning that it lacks legal recognition by those states rather than being prohibited.

    Dumb and dumber.

  6. 49erDweet (D) says:

    Re: “Legislating Economics” comment above, used to stop each morn for coffee at 7-11 store. $.39 per. W/creamer Also bought other things PRN. Price went to $.59. Then $ 99. Then $1.39. Then two convenient 7-11’s closed. Owner once had six, with 77 employyees. Now has two, with 12 family members and 0 employees. Economics.

  7. votermom says:

    On the topic of immigration – what immigration without assimilation leads to

  8. foxyladi14 says:

    I also remember when I was young, and kids did all the jobs that illegals now Sure did my share. 🙂

  9. yttik says:

    As to kids working, I think our child labor laws were filled with good intentions but have led to unintended consequences. We want kids in school rather than working, but what about the kids who refuse to go to school? What about the ones on the street? What about those who are living in such poverty they have to work to help their families? In my state you can drop out of school and become a gang banger 24/7 but you can’t wash dishes past 7 PM on a week night.

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  13. HELENK says:

    just because this is beautiful

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    • DandyTiger says:

      Yawn. People are immune.

    • Somebody says:

      Why is it any criticism is always deemed racism. Enough already, the point is the excess NOT the color of their skin. I’d be pissed if they were lily white or purple and green polka dotted.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Most comments I’ve seen are mad at Obama saying a shortage of SS closed the WH tours, yet enough available to cover the First Daughters’ poshy vacay…and the ski trip with mom, and the golf w/Tiger trip and Malia’s romp in NYC…..within the past month alone.

      • myiq2xu says:

        That’s why the Vile Progs are playing the race card – it’s all they have left. There is no reasonable rebuttal to the unfairness of the thing.

      • Somebody says:

        That’s what I meant by excess and those are just the things we know about, I’m sure there is even more excess we’re unaware of. All at a time when we supposedly can’t afford WH tours, etc.

        His hand outs in the ME piss me off too. The money he gave the Palestinians alone would cover the supposed FAA shortfall due to sequester. Most of that money will go directly to fund Hamas and we all know it.

        Yet question any of it and your a racist.

  16. DeniseVB says:

    Mark Kelly can’t catch a break …. *graphic photos*


    Didn’t break any laws? But if that was Sarah Palin’s dog…….?

    • myiq2xu says:

      Around here if a dog attacks a human or an animal they take the dog into custody and give you a dangerous animal warning. Costs you about $500 to get them back. A second offense is a crime and the animal is destroyed.

      I’m no expert but that looks like a pit bull to me, not an “American bulldog mix”.

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    The AFL-CIO wants foreign workers paid more than native-born ones. Why?

    The big fight inside the immigration reform talks right now is, at first glance, a little strange. The AFL-CIO wants temporary foreign workers to be paid significantly more than their average native-born counterparts. The Chamber of Commerce wants to be able to pay them less. Why?

    The dispute is over whether businesses should have to pay a premium to hire foreign workers through a newly created guest-worker program and, if so, what that premium should be. Business wants to be able to pay foreign workers the same as native-born workers, with the federal miniMum wage as a floor, reports the LA Times.

    Union officials, by contrast, have proposed a tiered system that would ask employers to pay anywhere between 20 percent and 70 percent more to hire foreign workers, which includes both wage hikes and fees, TPM reports. ”Bringing in workers below median by definition lowers median wages for everyone,” says Jeff Hauser, an AFL-CIO spokesman who argues that the higher wages will benefit both native- and foreign-born workers. ”The greatest problem with the economy for more than a generation has been declining rather than raising wages.”

    At the heart of the issue is a seemingly simple calculation: Mandating that foreign workers get higher wages means fewer foreign workers will get hired. But if wages for foreign workers are prohibitively high, it could lead employers to decide against hiring anyone new because of the costs or it could prompt businesses to hire unauthorized immigrants instead.

  20. HELENK says:


    have mixed feelings on this. After Benghazi there should have been firings that did not happen. but how will bureaucrats use the threat of firings? Look at holders dept of crime and what happened to whistleblowers

    • 49erDweet (D) says:


    • myiq2xu says:

      Civil Service rules and regulations are intended to protect government workers from political pressure. They are not intended to protect incompetent, useless or unnecessary employees from being fired or laid off.

      • myiq2xu says:

        These “furloughs” that haven’t happened yet? Every employee has to be given a 30-day notice AND they have the right to appeal.

        • Somebody says:

          The right to appeal being furloughed! Hahahaha, I seriously doubt anybody wasted their time. I’m sure the feds have a rubber stamp all inked up that says DENIED in big red letters, lol.

          You’re correct about civil service rules, although they don’t necessarily work the way they are intended. Those state department employees could have absolutely been fired if their higher ups had wanted them fired.

          There are so many rules and regulations every employee is in violation of something and if they’re not they can invent something. I’ve seen people piss off the wrong person and be shown the door based on minutia…..such as buying an $8 unapproved personal item using a government charge card, the person paid it back immediately without ever being asked to……. out of nowhere two years later grounds for firing, pissed off the wrong person. They were wrong and should have made two purchases; one for approved stuff and use their personal money for the other purchase, but they were lazy and had a flight to catch. They legitimately broke the rules, but stuff like that gets overlooked more often than not, unless it’s “needed”.

          Another person that stupidly checked ebay listings using their work computer, they pissed somebody off and out the door they went. Another guy that made a snide comment in anger about vandalizing someone’s (his boss’s) car, at the end of his shift, fired for making threats. (That individual fought in court and after 3 or 4 years finally had a hearing and won. He was not allowed to return to work, but was allowed to collect his pension; he was already eligible to retire when this happened) Threats are a catch all, they always come down to he said, he said or she said, but threats are not allowed and a threat is in the eye of the beholder. Those examples are from the previous administration……..I purposely chose to cite from the previous administration, you can use your imagination as to whether or not stuff like that still goes on.

          So um yea, in theory the rules work that way.

      • 49erDweet (D) says:

        If I could I would humbly edit two words in myiq’s comment. Sixth word in first paragraph would be changed to “were”, and third word in second paragraph changed to “now”. Just because that’s what’s happened.

    • 49erDweet (D) says:

      I hope he moves around his district accompanied by a squad of well-armed Marines, otherwise…………

  21. HELENK says:


    Karzai has been insulting this country and indirectly inciting the murder of our troops and this idiot is playing with a soccer ball

  22. myiq2xu says:

    If you want to know how much C&W changed in the last 20 years, compare and contrast this:

  23. HELENK says:


    how much money did backtrack just give the Palestinians?? and he gets called ” Uncle Tom”? didn’t anyone tell this guy that backtrack is not a black republican? they are the only ” uncle toms” in America ask the democrats

    • Somebody says:

      That’s funny!!! Gosh poor wittle Barry probably has his feelings hurt now, maybe now he’ll realize you can’t buy friends……oh wait.

  24. HELENK says:

    Obama signs spending bill to fund government through September; keeps sequester cuts in place – @AP

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